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Disputed Election

Started by Devil's Advocate13 REPLIES821 VIEWS· 05 Nov 2020, 10:10
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DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
05 Nov 2020, 10:10
#1
05 Nov 2020, 10:10#1

I myself was not really sure of what would or could exactly happen if this result was to be disputed, or end up undecided....  so I decided to have a look to see what I could find.

Who would ever have thought, that there was an outside chance that Nancy Pelosi could become the next president.... wow

Here are the options:

LAWSUITS

Early voting data shows Democrats are voting by mail in far greater numbers than Republicans. In states such as Pennsylvania and Wisconsin that do not count mail-in ballots until Election Day, initial results appeared to favor Trump because they were slower to count mailed ballots.

Democrats had expressed concern that Trump would, as he did on Wednesday, declare victory before those ballots could be fully tallied.

A close election could result in litigation over voting and ballot-counting procedures in battleground states. Cases filed in individual states could eventually reach the US Supreme Court, as Florida’s election did in 2000, when Republican George W. Bush prevailed over Democrat Al Gore by just 537 votes in Florida after the high court halted a recount.

Trump appointed Amy Coney Barrett as Supreme Court justice just days before the election, creating a 6-3 conservative majority that could favor the president if the courts weigh in on a contested election.

"We want the law to be used in a proper manner. So we'll be going to the US Supreme Court. We want all voting to stop," Trump said on Wednesday, even though election laws in US states require all votes to be counted, and many states routinely take days to finish counting legal ballots.

ELECTORAL COLLEGE

The US president is not elected by a majority of the popular vote. Under the Constitution, the candidate who wins the majority of 538 electors, known as the Electoral College, becomes the next president.

In 2016, Trump lost the national popular vote to Democrat Hillary Clinton but secured 304 electoral votes to her 227.

The candidate who wins each state’s popular vote typically earns that state’s electors. This year, the electors meet on December 14 to cast votes. Both chambers of Congress will meet on Jan. 6 to count the votes and name the winner.

Normally, governors certify the results in their respective states and share the information with Congress.

But some academics have outlined a scenario in which the governor and the legislature in a closely contested state submit two different election results.

Battleground states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and North Carolina all have Democratic governors and Republican-controlled legislatures.

According to legal experts, it is unclear in this scenario whether Congress should accept the governor’s electoral slate or not count the state’s electoral votes at all.

While most experts view the scenario as unlikely, there is historical precedent. The Republican-controlled Florida legislature considered submitting its own electors in 2000 before the Supreme Court ended the contest between Bush and Gore.

In 1876, three states appointed “dueling electors,” prompting Congress to pass the Electoral Count Act (ECA) in 1887.

Under the act, each chamber of Congress would separately decide which slate of “dueling electors” to accept. As of now, Republicans hold the Senate while Democrats control the House of Representatives, but the electoral count is conducted by the new Congress, which will be sworn in on Jan 3.

If the two chambers disagree, it’s not entirely clear what would happen.

The act says that the electors approved by each state’s “executive” should prevail. Many scholars interpret that as a state’s governor, but others reject that argument. The law has never been tested or interpreted by the courts.

Ned Foley, a law professor at Ohio State University, called the ECA’s wording “virtually impenetrable” in a 2019 paper exploring the possibility of an Electoral College dispute.

Another unlikely possibility is that Trump’s Vice President Mike Pence, in his role as Senate president, could try to throw out a state’s disputed electoral votes entirely if the two chambers cannot agree, according to Foley’s analysis.

In that case, the Electoral College Act does not make clear whether a candidate would still need 270 votes, a majority of the total, or could prevail with a majority of the remaining electoral votes - for example, 260 of the 518 votes that would be left if Pennsylvania’s electors were invalidated.

“It is fair to say that none of these laws has been stress-tested before,” Benjamin Ginsberg, a lawyer who represented the Bush campaign during the 2000 dispute, told reporters in a conference call on Oct. 20.

The parties could ask the Supreme Court to resolve any congressional stalemate, but it’s not certain the court would be willing to adjudicate how Congress should count electoral votes.

CONTINGENT ELECTION

A determination that neither candidate has secured a majority of electoral votes would trigger a “contingent election” under the 12th Amendment of the Constitution. That means the House of Representatives chooses the next president, while the Senate selects the vice president.

Each state delegation in the House gets a single vote. As of now, Republicans control 26 of the 50 state delegations, while Democrats have 22; one is split evenly and another has seven Democrats, six Republicans and a Libertarian.

A contingent election also takes place in the event of a 269-269 tie after the election; there are several plausible paths to a deadlock in 2020.

Any election dispute in Congress would play out ahead of a strict deadline - Jan. 20, when the Constitution mandates that the term of the current president ends.

Under the Presidential Succession Act, if Congress still has not declared a presidential or vice presidential winner by then, the Speaker of the House would serve as acting president. Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat from California, is the current speaker.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
05 Nov 2020, 10:28
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05 Nov 2020, 10:28#2

There were a couple of "oddities" here and there.., but they will need rock solid proof to get anything overturned. The Trump Campaign suspected some fraud with the mail in ballots, so I hope they had their checks and balances in place.   

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
05 Nov 2020, 11:24
#3
05 Nov 2020, 11:24#3

Agreed

Trump did call it from day one, but it will mean absolutely nothing with out any concrete proof

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
05 Nov 2020, 13:41
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05 Nov 2020, 13:41#4

Found this, it could be fake propaganda.

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
05 Nov 2020, 14:01
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05 Nov 2020, 14:01#5

Trump knows mail-in ballots are legitimate, but he also knows that 75%+ mail-in ballots are Democrats. 

The US election system is good, even with Trump's meddling. No president has ever made these type of claims, or tried to kneecap the postal service to sabotage mail-in votes.

Hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots are missing. They have been lost in the post by Trump's appointed postmaster. 

Some of these mail-in ballots will not be eligible as some states like Georgia will not accept any late ballot regardless of the reason, even if it is late because Trump and his pals have tried to cheat the elections from the very word go by slowing down the mail.


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
05 Nov 2020, 14:12
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05 Nov 2020, 14:12#6

Luckily, votes leave a paper trail so the investigations should reveal what occurred.

Shark is still too damn stupid to understand the odds of 130K votes with 0 for Trump. 

Let's see the wonky math that translates a 75% chance into 130000/1 odds.

You complete imbecile. 


SH
sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
05 Nov 2020, 14:30
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05 Nov 2020, 14:30#7
You have uncovered another conspiracy Dumb Plum.
Dumb Plum Fact Check Alert.Mail-in votes are being counted last in most states. 
It is not 100% Biden, but a very high percentage of mail-in voters are.
Who would want to stand in a long queue on election day with Trumpanzees who think their master has made them immune to Coronavirus?
Nearly all of the mail-in ballots are not just "turning up". They are just being counted last. Some states will accept mail-in ballots that are posted marked as before the election day.
The only known mail-in voter fraud in 2020 has been Trump appointing a postmaster general who is trying to sabotage the public mail votes by slowing it down. 
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
05 Nov 2020, 14:57
#8
05 Nov 2020, 14:57#8

"The only known mail-in voter fraud in 2020 has been Trump appointing a postmaster general who is tryi ng to sabotage the public mail votes by slowing it down"

Please post a link, I was not aware of this .... I would like to read some more about it

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
05 Nov 2020, 16:22
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05 Nov 2020, 16:22#9

 

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
05 Nov 2020, 17:21
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05 Nov 2020, 17:21#10

Correction of a clerical error is the official line.

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
05 Nov 2020, 19:31
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05 Nov 2020, 19:31#11

@DA- if you search for kneecap the postal service

As soon as Trump's appointee (who is a donor to Trump) took over the postal service, it has been much slower. 



Obama: Trump is trying to 'kneecap' Postal Service - POLITICO

www.politico.com › news › 2020/08/14 › obama-trum...
?? 1,215,944?? 885?? 014 Aug 2020 — “What we've never seen before is a president say, 'I'm going to try to actively kneecap the Postal Service to [discourage] voting, and I will be ...

Obama: Trump aims to 'kneecap Post Office' to discourage ...

www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-8628729 › Barac...
?? 103,062,960?? 14,816?? 014 Aug 2020 — Barack Obama slammed President Donald Trump for trying to 'actively kneecap' the postal service to disenfranchise voters.


Obama: Trump trying to 'actively kneecap' Postal Service to ...

www.nbcnews.com › politics › 2020-election › obama-...
?? 1,844,755?? 665?? 014 Aug 2020 — Barack Obama slammed President Donald Trump for trying to “actively kneecap the Postal Service” to affect mail-in voting in the 2020 election.
SH
sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
05 Nov 2020, 20:05
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05 Nov 2020, 20:05#12
You will hear about missing ballots in the new few days. These ballots that you say just turned up, have just arrived in the post because it been slow over the last week or so. 
This is just one recent example that has been identified. 
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2096156116397/27-of-mail-in-ballots-in-south-florida-may-have-never-been-scannedheres-why

President Trump won Florida late last night. On November 4, Supreme Court and legal affairs reporter John Kruzel shared details on USPS data, revealing that in the system, a number of mail-in ballots possibly went undelivered around the country. 
One of the areas where this was the worst was South Florida, which has a large minority population. Reports show that 27% of the ballots from the area were “never mailed in,” causing people to wonder about the last night’s republican win for the state.

---Pennsylvania allows mail-in ballots that arrive after the election - as long as the US postal service has date stamped it to prove before November 3. 
The Southern States like Georgia do not count any ballot that does not arrive by 7 pm in the evening. So if Trump's attorney general of the USPS. (Even if it has a USPS postal stamp before the election day.  So any ballots that go missing due to slow postal service- are lost votes to Georgia. 


SH
sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
05 Nov 2020, 20:31
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05 Nov 2020, 20:31#13
This is all recent stuff over the last 2 days.  Search ResultsThe GuardianJudge orders US Postal Service to take 'extraordinary measures' to deliver ballots on timeSome of the largest mail delays are in battleground states where late ballots could ... The judge's ruling involves USPS using its express mail service to ... be crucial in states that require that ballots be received by election day.2 days agoWashington PostUSPS data shows thousands of mailed ballots missed Election Day deadlinesNearly 7 percent of ballots in U.S. Postal Service sorting facilities on ... voters face major mail delays in returning ballots on time, USPS data ...1 day agoDaily MailUS Election 2020: Postal Service MISSES mail ballots deadlineThe United States Postal Service has failed to meet a deadline to sweep mail processing facilities for delayed ballots and dispatch them ... Dozens of states do not accept mail-in votes that arrive after in-person polls close, ...1 day agoVoxElection results: What’s going on with the mail-in ballots the US Postal Service can’t traceWhat's really going on with the mail-in ballots the US Postal Service ... Several news outlets reported on Election Day that the United States Postal Service ... and then put on pause — that its leaders say led to delivery delays.23 hours agoLos Angeles TimesJudge considers new USPS sweeps for election mail-in ballotsNearly all the ballots were delivered directly to boards of election by the 5 p.m. deadline, with a few ballots delayed due to travel time. Attorneys ...23 hours agoMarketWatchU.S. Postal Service officials ordered to appear in court after failing to comply with federal judge's ballot-sweep orderRepresentatives of the U.S. Postal Service were called before a federal ... the postal system and not been scanned for delivery to election authorities. ... General Louis DeJoy's records on widespread delays in mail service.1 day ago
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
05 Nov 2020, 21:25
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05 Nov 2020, 21:25#14

HKGK...watch this space...wait for the Trump effect!....again!

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