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Farage: Ukraine War Never Would Have Happened Under Trump, Dangerous World Needs Him Back

Started by Beeno121 REPLIES5,287 VIEWS· 16 Jan 2024, 18:30
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Jan 2024, 18:30
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16 Jan 2024, 18:30#1

Please note thus oaks - with a poll conducted shortly after the invasion finding that 62 per cent of Americans believe that the war never would have happened under Trump, with a further 59 per cent citing President Joe Biden’s weakness as a top factor for the war beginning.

Brexit leader Nigel Farage claimed that Vladimir Putin’s Russia never would have invaded Ukraine under the watch of Donald Trump and that the increasingly dangerous world needs him back at the helm in the White House.

Speaking ahead of the Iowa caucus, which saw Donald Trump trounce the competition in a landslide victory in which he secured votes than all other candidates combined, Nigel Farage said that the American people are not alone in wanting the former president back, but that the world would benefit from his return.

“I think the issue of the border, the result of crime problems that you’re seeing in American cities – Chicago is in a terrible, terrible state – I think people look at Trump and say, ‘you know what? This is a tough guy who will actually stand up and fight against that stuff’,” Mr Farage told Sky News.

“Since he’s gone, the world is now a much more dangerous place than it was before. So I think all these factors are playing for him,” Farage continued, adding that Trump “had a very successful foreign policy when he was president.”

“There is this sort of argument in Europe that he will blow up NATO… I don’t believe any of that for a moment,” he said.

“What he wanted was for NATO members to pay their fair share. I don’t believe that Putin would have invaded Ukraine had Trump been in the White House.”

Mr Farage is not alone in his assessment that Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if Donald Trump were in the White House, with a poll conducted shortly after the invasion finding that 62 per cent of Americans believe that the war never would have happened under Trump, with a further 59 per cent citing President Joe Biden’s weakness as a top factor for the war beginning.

During his victory speech in Iowa on Monday evening, Mr Trump also claimed that the invasion would not have happened under his leadership, telling a crowd of supporters in Des Moines: “We want peace through strength. Russia would have never attacked Ukraine, would have never done it.”

“Now you have all that death, far greater than people understand, the numbers are far far greater than anybody would even think possible. You’re going to find that
out in the years to come… when they knock down these massive buildings in Ukraine and then you see uh they announced two people were slightly wounded no no many
people were killed many people were killed.

“We’re going to get it stopped but it’s so sad because it should have never started, people killed and a culture destroyed. You can never replace thousand-year-old buildings with the most beautiful golden domes and churches and everything just all rubble now. It’s so sad.”

Mr Trump went on to reiterate his promise to swiftly negotiate an end to the war in Ukraine, saying; “I know President Putin very well, I know Zelensky very well. I’m going to get him in we’re going to get it solved very quickly.”

In contrast, President Biden has made little effort to demand peace talks and has instead continued to lobby for another $64 billion in American taxpayer dollars to be sent to Kyiv to support Ukraine’s war effort, on top of the $113 billion already committed.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
16 Jan 2024, 18:46
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16 Jan 2024, 18:46#2

Well if electing Trump would get putin to withdraw and stop the war I hope he gets in.

Somehow I doubt that would happen but would love to be proved wrong.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Jan 2024, 19:05
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16 Jan 2024, 19:05#3

He got a lot of good things done without getting credit for any of it...you just watch...

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Jan 2024, 20:10
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16 Jan 2024, 20:10#4

There may be some truth to this….to the extent that man to man discussions can shape events, who worse in a situation like that than Joe Biden. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Jan 2024, 20:26
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16 Jan 2024, 20:26#5
Farage and Trump, the ultimate grifters.



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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
16 Jan 2024, 21:26
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16 Jan 2024, 21:26#6
Anyone who can't see that Putin has planned this for a long time. If NATO did not exist, it would have happened much sooner. He is an ex-KBG agent, and they have always planned to try to conquer the world.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
16 Jan 2024, 21:27
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16 Jan 2024, 21:27#7

This is Nigel Farage's website. 
https://fortuneandfreedom.com/

He pretends to offer financial advice, but he just sells the leads to US global corporates.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Jan 2024, 11:29
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17 Jan 2024, 11:29#8

Anyone who can't see that Putin has planned this for a long time.

100%

Part of the plan was playing Trump not to support Ukraine which according to Putin would have been a short special operation but then Trump lost the presidency and that's when Putin's main game kicked in.

Reckon Putin is banking on Trump winning the election and withdrawing support for Ukraine hence the reason he's not interested in peace talks. It will be interesting to see how soon he starts peace talks if Trump loses the election.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
17 Jan 2024, 12:49
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17 Jan 2024, 12:49#9

The funny thing about Trump, had he been in power and Putin had still invaded, I'm not sure Trump would of taken the position that there should be a negotiated settlement in the first place but he might have actually pursued a similar approach to the one Biden took and the position he takes now is purely for political reasons. I.E take the opposite position of Biden so he can attack him.

The view from Europe is most actually Biden administration mostly took the right approach when war broke out among the majority of people who supported aiding Ukraine. Basically they provided a lot of aid, but still took a cautious approach wanting to avoid an escalation. But they have grown more critical over time of that approach. But they take a much dimmer view of the republican party blocking aid altogether.


 


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Jan 2024, 13:21
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17 Jan 2024, 13:21#10

Disagree. I believe he would have cut all military aid to Ukraine in the guise of wanting peace.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
17 Jan 2024, 13:35
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17 Jan 2024, 13:35#11

Yeah he could of, that's possible as well.



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jan 2024, 14:05
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17 Jan 2024, 14:05#12

Trump was maybe feared by leades in the world or by negotiation to try and stabilize the world situation through negotiation as proven by the following:

*    the negotiations to withdrew NATO troops from Afghanistan:

*    the Abraham Accods stabilizing the situation in the  Middle East;

*    the negotations with North Korea to ry and reach an agreenent to stabilize Korea;

*    keeping the Ukraine situation to a minor civil war level; and 

*    no threats by China to conquer Taiwan

Biden showed from the start the rmqark of Obama and that if you want a total bujjer-up give it to Biden - he will caused the exact opposite to what everybody exxpected of him.   So let dee his record  thus far:-

*    Biden and the USA Army caused a chaotic withdrawal and respect.for the US Army reached an all-time low;

*    the Biden Administration scrapped the Abraham Accords and through neglec t or stupiodity the instability affect Israel, Lebanon, Sirya. Iraq, Jemen and Iran c asing renewed waefare in the ME;

*     causing collapse of the negvotiation process and North Korea is back testing nuclea bomb and missile testing - causing serious problems of intability in the area;

*     promoting the Ukraine war through sabotaging negotiations to each a peadxeul settlement in Ukraine; and

*     constant threats by China to conquer Taiwan.- wih the fear that an attack on Taiwan is imminent and would go hand-in-hand with an attack by North Korea on South Korea.

The only real achievment of Bidxen when it comes to foreign affairs was his ability to fart before royalty - and no leades have any respect for him.    His irresonsible comnduct when it came to a stituaion that leadership in other countries don't trust the USA anymore to live up to sgremeents they signed with the USA and the result is that many esrtwhile allied countries of  the USA are now applying to join BRICS - three alies of the uSA has aleady joined - but a long list ofd applicants are still under cnsideration.

If you want continuous wars support the Democatic Parfty and Biden.   As Obama said yeaqrs ago if you want a total bugger-up hand the mattger to Biden - he will ensure disastrous c onsequenc es.   

   

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jan 2024, 14:14
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17 Jan 2024, 14:14#13

Denny

You are talking  crap abicve and have bo proof of what you claim to be the case.   The aid is in Ukraine is being  jeopardized al;ready and the American people are against fuirther aid because they6a re suffering already as a result of Bioden policies and donating an endless stream of money to Ukraine has bec ome a noo-no.    

In any event Biden sabotaged a string of peace agreements and he refused to negotiate about the ykraine issue.  He went further and had the nord-stream pipeline blown up.   Biden wanted a wa in Ukaine and he ad the Demcoratic Party got what they wanted.   

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Jan 2024, 17:26
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17 Jan 2024, 17:26#14

Point being...Putin invaded the Crimea when Obama was President,  stopped his advances under Trump and quickly resumed hostilities as soon as Trump left office.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
17 Jan 2024, 19:02
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17 Jan 2024, 19:02#15

Point being...Putin invaded the Crimea when Obama was President,  stopped his advances under Trump and quickly resumed hostilities as soon as Trump left office.

Let me correct that for you

Point being...Putin invaded the Crimea when Obama was President,  stopped his advances under Obama and resumed hostilities a little over two years after Trump left office.

Its one thing if you want to argue Obama and Biden where weak Presidents who's weakness emboldened Putin, but at the end of the day it was Putin who wanted to attack Ukraine not Obama or Biden.

The attack on Ukraine was coming regardless of who was President in the US.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Jan 2024, 22:41
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17 Jan 2024, 22:41#16

Let me correct that for you....

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jan 2024, 01:39
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18 Jan 2024, 01:39#17

"The attack on Ukraine was coming regardless of who was President in the US."

Maybe...we would never know for sure...and it's got nothing to do with weakness, .. US foreign policy is complicated.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Jan 2024, 05:37
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18 Jan 2024, 05:37#18

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/

Total bilateral aid commitments to Ukraine between January 24, 2022 and May 31, 2023, by type and country or organization (in billion euros)

God bless America.............. & Biden.Would Trompie have done better?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2024, 07:03
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18 Jan 2024, 07:03#19

 Stav

Keep to facts please - there never was an invasion of the Crimea by Russia - in terms o he constitution of Ukraine there was an agreement to operate the headquarters of he Russian Black Sea Navy from their base  in Sevastopol and that entail having a major Russian army camp in the Crimea - so Russian troops were always based and operating  in the Crimea.

 A  second isue you ignore is that in terms of the constitution of Ukraine the Crimea had internal self-rule with  their own Parliament.   The result of the US financed and operated cioup in Kiev, the Cimea was facead with a problem since he coup let to discarding of the 1991 Ukraine cosntitution.  Without there being a constitutional government left in Ukraine the Crimea Parliament decided to go to the people with regard to what the future of the crimes would be and the referendum result was that 94,5% of the voters cvoted for an application to Russia to join the Russian Federation.    

Let me explain something to you - the 1991 constitution defined the borderies of Ukraine with special eferenes also to human rights protection.  That one was also approved by a referendum and the moment that the contitution was discarded by the new regime in Kiev it is normal constitutional proposals that the Ukraine based on the Constitution came to an end.    For  change it would be encessary to have a referendum to decide on the way forward.

However, you appear to prefer dictaorships like the present one in Kiev controlled 100% by the USA.  So please check you facts before making wild statements.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2024, 07:33
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18 Jan 2024, 07:33#20

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Apparently you think that wars and fudning of wars is a good thing.    The USA has a proxy Government in Kiev that operated according to the wishes of the USA Government dserve all teh funds needed to keep the 2014 regime in power.   

The American voters who needs the bill are rebelling against the US Government nd said the billions pent in ukraine is needed in the USA - where due to inflation 49 million people are food insecure and the dfeeling si that moneys hould nto eb spent in Ukraine with no real return for the USA people,  - so 62% of the USA voters oppose any further grnts to ukraine.   

As a result of internal financial problems the uther supply of money to Ukraine sis in jeopardy. and whether Biden will get any fiurther approval of aid to ukraine is coupled to the massive invasion of the USA by illegal migrants.    The Ukraine may get irther funding if Biden approve the closing of teh Mexican border - but never on teh scale o und the full operational costs of the Ukraine Govenment - so further funding is in jeopardy.   The same problem is encountered by both the EU and Germany.   

Your idea that funding oif a war in Ukraine is a good thing is misplaced.    Trump would ahve insisted on a peaceful agreement to the Ukraine sisue and would provide aid to help all the people opf Ukraine and not feed a war and billion in faud and coruption.  He would have been in favor of help to th people of Ukraine - not funding a war that si destroying Ukraine and its people.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jan 2024, 10:10
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19 Jan 2024, 10:10#21

Thanks to Mike for attempting to educate these ignorant loons. 

His patience with these halfwits is amazing.

Farage of course wants to stop the boats. Poor StavASS wants Ireland over run by migrants. Has anybody heard StavAss complain about the Draconian clamp down of free speech in Ireland. Of course not as StaVASS is a nasty little Globalist Marxist. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jan 2024, 19:31
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19 Jan 2024, 19:31#22

Face facts the contrasts between the great presidency of Trump and the disaster that is Biden could not be more vivid!

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