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Fauci is wrong again.

Started by Mozart14 REPLIES464 VIEWS· 18 Oct 2020, 16:01
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Oct 2020, 16:01
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18 Oct 2020, 16:01#1

Remember when the world’s shortest high school basket ball player marched out  and told us Remdesivir is the crucial breakthrough in Covid. He was positively pumped that he could tank the HCQ supporters and have a photo op with Remdesivir. Take that you Frog infectious disease fake.....take that Trump, you should have kissed the ring you obese wasp!


But hold on the WHO has apparently just completed a study across 12 countries with 5000 hospitalized patients... after 28 days 11% of those taking Remdesivir died and 11.2% of those receiving standard care died. Statistically no difference and there was no difference in hospital stays either.


This is a caution for those who jumped on the earlier R study after it was  changed from a 6 or so variable test....and was reduced to a length of stay only test. And the 14 to 11 day supposed result became the basis for all the Remdesivir hype. 


But changing protocols in mid stream should have been a warning sign, Blithely ignored by the arrogant Fauci whose advice led to billions being spent to buy Remdesivir supplies.


Always wrong, never uncertain has been his Covid MO. And to think some posters on here actually admire this man. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
19 Oct 2020, 15:28
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19 Oct 2020, 15:28#2

Good lord your such an odious little cretin. Once again the science doesn't support your political views so you have to throw mud at the scientific process.

"Remember when the world’s shortest high school basket ball player marched out  and told us Remdesivir is the crucial breakthrough in Covid. He was positively pumped that he could tank the HCQ supporters and have a photo op with Remdesivir. Take that you Frog infectious disease fake.....take that Trump, you should have kissed the ring you obese wasp!"

So let me see, you start off  by insulting his height, as if height has anything to do with medical competence. Then you use the words marched out to negatively frame his interview, do all interviewee's march out?, does Donald Trump march out every time he gives an interview, or is it just interviewee's that you don't like? Then you use the words crucial breakthrough, something Fauci didn't actually say. Fauci came out and said the initial studies indicated modest positive results, indicating this was the beginning of a process to develop more and more effective drugs to treat Covid, he used terms like "important first step" or "important proof of concept", he specifically said remdesivir is not a knock out drug, or a miracle drug. He also said that data needed to be analyzed further and peer reviewed. Then you imply he was pumped up to tank HCQ supports but he never actually brought up HCQ, He showed no indication of gloating, or triumphalism. Without a shred of evidence you smear and denigrate him just because you have taken a dislike to this man for being you know actually professional and not looking like a a colossal moron in front of the world unlike the man you have consistently praised for his handling of the pandemic. You don't want him to be right because that will make your side of the argument look bad, and you rather him not be successful so Trump and yourself don't look bad even if that means it cost people their lives.

"But hold on the WHO has apparently just completed a study across 12 countries with 5000 hospitalized patients... after 28 days 11% of those taking Remdesivir died and 11.2% of those receiving standard care died. Statistically no difference and there was no difference in hospital stays either."

So now your happy to use WHO data when you think it supports you argument?

"This is a caution for those who jumped on the earlier R study after it was  changed from a 6 or so variable test....and was reduced to a length of stay only test. And the 14 to 11 day supposed result became the basis for all the Remdesivir hype.

But changing protocols in mid stream should have been a warning sign, Blithely ignored by the arrogant Fauci whose advice led to billions being spent to buy Remdesivir supplies."

Who jumped on it?. The data avialable at the time indicated there was benefits to using Remdesivir to treat Covid. As Fauci explained at the time, there was a risk to placing the orders for stock of Remdesivir, it wasn't conclusive proven to be effective but it was better to have the stock on hand and it turn out not to be effective then to not have the stock and it was later confirmed to be effective. If he hadn't ordered the supplies and further studies backed up the initial studies you would be on here criticizing him for not acting sooner.

As for the claims the study was changed, it may or may not have been and if it was the changed those changes may or may not have been significant, but you can not be trusted to offer a subjective view on studies, you already have been proven to be completely biased and selective in what evidence you present to support your arguments. (i.e. citing studies that you claim disprove global warming or some of the models supporting global warming with out having read them, where neither the studies or the studies authors support your conclusions)

"Always wrong, never uncertain has been his Covid MO. And to think some posters on here actually admire this man. "

Has he even been asked about the WHO finding yet. There only a few days ago and as Fauci has said he has been muzzled by what can say by the White House. 

I'm sure Fauci has made mistakes in his career and possibly during the pandemic, after all no one is perfect, but he's said or done nothing that would indicate he is anything other than a dedicated and skilled professional trying to handle a difficult situation hampered by a political administration that other countries do not have to deal with it. He is 100 times a better man than Trump or you will ever be.





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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Oct 2020, 15:51
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19 Oct 2020, 15:51#3

I think the Trumpanzees are all trying their best to deflect attention away from how fanatically they all supported Hydroxychloroquine . . . and how they shrieked with delight every time Bozo mentioned it . . . .and snarled with anger any time anyone suggested it may not be the wonder drug that would kill off the Trumpvirus.

Think they'd rather get involved in new squabbles about other subjects they know nothing about rather than man up and admit how much egg they all got over their faces with HCQ.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
19 Oct 2020, 16:19
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19 Oct 2020, 16:19#4

"trying their best to deflect attention"

Says the guy who is deflecting his attention away from the thread named after him and his obvious cowardly behavior

"how they shrieked with delight"

Like you did, when you thought you had Plum backed up into the corner.... until he came back with hard proof

"rather get involved in new squabbles about other subjects they know nothing about"

Yep, just like you when you made a monumental twat of yourself in front of this whole forum on the other thread...... discussing issues that you clearly knew absolutely nothing about, LMAO

"rather than man up and admit how much egg they all got over their faces"

ROTFLMFAO...….. "man up"...….. LMAO...…… "man up and admit" …….."Egg all over"

Read these very c arefully Piss Mint..... fucking hilarious

Rooinek, you do hopefully realize that with your very recent cowardly, dishonest and deceitful behavior on this very forum...… you have just 200% described the exact person who has all of these attributes..... and he has them in abundance.....You...……..and you cannot even dispute it, because the entire board just recently witnessed it when we saw you plummet to new depths of monumental cowardice and stupidity

Sure was fun to watch

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Oct 2020, 16:40
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19 Oct 2020, 16:40#5

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Oct 2020, 18:16
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19 Oct 2020, 18:16#6

I have often said that Peeper Coward describes himself in every post....hisself loathing is hilarious.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Oct 2020, 18:18
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19 Oct 2020, 18:18#7

Speaking to reporters from the White House, Fauci said he was told data from the trial showed a “clear-cut positive effect in diminishing time to recover.”

“This will be the standard of care,” Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, added. “When you know a drug works, you have to let people in the placebo group know so they can take it.”

“What it has proven is a drug can block this virus,” he said.


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Poor old Anger says another  idol embarrassingly disrobed. Schplotttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
20 Oct 2020, 07:41
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20 Oct 2020, 07:41#8

"rather than man up and admit how much egg they all got over their faces"

"Man up"

"Admit"

"Egg they all got over their faces"

It's just too ironic, and incredibly hilarious...…... that this moron posts these exact comments about other posters on here...….. after what he just did in front of the entire board...

Too funny



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Oct 2020, 16:30
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21 Oct 2020, 16:30#9

And once again Denny, Anger and Rooi Coward flee the string when a quote proves them dead wrong. These guys are not only naive, they are lazy....just a little bit of googling would have saved their blushes.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
22 Oct 2020, 13:11
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22 Oct 2020, 13:11#10
Nope, I'm happy to post up what Fauci actually said in full.





These videos show that reality is no where near close to the narrative that you are presenting to make him look bad.
Your claim that he hyped up Remdesivir is simply false, he stated what the data from the medical trails indicated, why this was a positive development and the implications of it but he added the caveats that it wasn't the be all and end all of treatments for Covid and it still needed to be peer reviewed. He was fair and balanced. Something that you seem to be completely incapable of.
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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
22 Oct 2020, 13:19
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22 Oct 2020, 13:19#11
Trump has been saying in the media that he would have fired Fauci, but he knew the public outcry would be too much.
So instead Trump, installed a puppet in the task force in Scott Altas to contradict the CDC guidelines, and sow doubt in the minds of Americans. 
This "second" opinion that is more positive to the economy and therefore Trump's reelection,
and it is creating opportunities for conspiracies because there is not a single unified message. 
Trump is trying to destroy all institutions of society. A third world leader. 
Trump knows he is losing the election, and now that the 3rd spike has started. Fauci is back in the news, so Trump is furious as they contradict his health recommendations. 
I expect Fauci and the CDC to take this to court if Trump loses the election. 
"Fauci is a disaster. If I listened to him, we'd have 500,000 deaths," he said on the campaign call on Monday, before later saying it would be 700,000 or 800,000". 
Referring to Fauci and other health officials as "idiots," Trump declared the country ready to move on from the health disaster, even as cases are again spiking and medical experts warn the worst may be yet to come.Baselessly claiming that if Fauci was in charge more than half a million people would be dead in the United States, Trump portrayed the recommendations offered by his own administration to mitigate spread of the disease as a burdensome annoyance.
    "People are tired of Covid. I have the biggest rallies I've ever had, and we have Covid," Trump said, phoning into a call with campaign staff from his namesake hotel in Las Vegas, where he spent two nights amid a western campaign swing. "People are saying whatever. Just leave us alone. They're tired of it. People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots.""Fauci is a nice guy," Trump went on. "He's been here for 500 years."
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    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    22 Oct 2020, 19:24
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    22 Oct 2020, 19:24#12

    Anger it’s  not what he said in your specific,  curated clips.....it’s what he said in the quotes I have provided. He was gung-ho about Remdesivir which now looks like a billion dollar mistake and it’s probably cost lives.

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    Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
    22 Oct 2020, 20:56
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    22 Oct 2020, 20:56#13
    Your "curated" quotes are in those clips as well. No one with a fair and objective opinion could accuse Fauci of being gung-ho about Remdesivir when watching those videos in full.

    Show we where he said it was a crucial breakthrough, and show me where he was pumped up to put down people who promoted HCQ as a treatment for Covid?

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    bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
    22 Oct 2020, 23:16
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    22 Oct 2020, 23:16#14

    Top o' the morning, Stav & a tip-top response too.

    Watch ou sleepy slow Joe peel the Orange King later today.

    MO
    MozartCaptain49,914 posts
    23 Oct 2020, 04:18
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    23 Oct 2020, 04:18#15


    "The data shows that remdesivir has a clear-cut, significant, positive effect in diminishing the time to recovery," Fauci said at the White House on Wednesday. The data he referred to is from a large study of more than 1,000 patients from multiple sites around the world. Patients either received the drug, called remdesivir, or a placebo.

    Results from clinical trials are typically published in medical journals after review from outside experts. That hasn't happened yet with this latest study, but Fauci said that the results were so promising, there is "an ethical obligation to immediately let the placebo group know so they can have access" to the drug.

    Fauci said the remdesivir study group was able to be discharged from the hospital within 11 days, on average, compared to 15 days in the placebo group.

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    "What it has proven is that a drug can block this virus," Fauci said.

    There were indications the drug led to fewer deaths, but that part of the analysis is still under review.

    Fauci, who is normally measured in tone, expressed genuine excitement over the results, calling them "reminiscent of 34 years ago in 1986 when we were struggling for drugs for HIV."

    ....

    That excitement led to a billion dollar investment  in Remdesivir...in the meantime simple available things that work like Steroids, vitamin D and Zinc were ignored. Lives have  been lost because of Fauci’s need to preen in front of the cameras. .

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