France's Vital Role in the American war of Independence...and how much money the US would of lost out on without it.

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Take a bow Stav.

It's okay... but the Yanks really should... every time they even get a whiff of a baguette.

or french fries

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The fact is t hat Frnce had a firm ineres in areas like Louisiana - whic h was aug ht a bitte esson when he English attacked Quebec and conquered that area and France was cometin g with En gland when it came to forei gn aid,

The F rench sphere of interess deccreased after 1789 nd especially when Napoleon got into power and did not continue after the fall o Napoleon. In 1812 En gland attackd Washington and burned down the White House, In the end the En glish fled from Washington under military oressure and again aimed at stopping Frnech aid to the USA.

After the fall of Napoleon the main enemy of the US was Mexico and the Fench descendents narratives preferred USA rule and ultimately the states where th French dominated became part of the USA.

In dealing with the issue the French and the UK were fighhting in various wars fo dominance in Europe and orldwide - the USA as just part of the wars inviolving the UK and France,

So just to clarify any gift confusion which may still be out there:

The US gave in Europe two ways after WW2. The Marshall Plan and the defense of Europe. The Marshall Plan if invested in the renamed Trump Wealth fund would be about $3 trillion today.

And the benefit of all the military capability the US focused on Europe for 80 years has an accumulated value of somewhere around $35 trillion……not including the overall blanket security the US provided.

Thus the $38 trillion gift, greater than any Net National Wealth except China and the USA.

Now France’s gift to the US. The effect is massive. The US National wealth is around $180 trillion. If the US had not come into existence in 1776 that number could have been way smaller. The Louisiana Purchase and the purchase of Alaska, both hugely accretive, may not have happened. Immigration patterns may have been delayed.

It’s not inconceivable that the US could be more in China’s range of $90 trillion. So does that mean the gift is worth $90 trillion?

Nope, the gift US gave Europe cost the US a potential $38 trillion in the Trump Wealth Fund. We are measuring the cost of the gift to the giver. The benefit of these gifts may be massive….the very existence of Europe and the massive wealth of the US. But the recipients had to participate in making that happen. In the case of the US turning an agricultural outpost into a dynamic, urban country.

The comparable amount to the gift which cost the wealth fund $38 trillion, is what the War of Independence gift cost France. What would be in the Vichy Sovereign Wealth fund?

That’s very hard to estimate because the horizons are incredibly long, no good market data is available. But we do have one good reference point, France’s net wealth today and that’s $15.5 trillion. So all the wealth in France in 1776 reinvested over 250 years has produced $15.5 trillion.

So how much has that number been reduced by funding the war. If you were wildly aggressive you might guess France gave 10% of its wealth to fund the war. There are some complications around marginal additional capital….but a very generous guess would be French wealth today would be $15.5 trillion x11/10 = $17.05 trillion.

So France gave the US a huge opportunity it had to convert and in the process gave up $1.55 trillion today. The US saved France in WW2 , contributed hugely in WW1 and saved Europe including France in the Cold War, giving up $38 trillion in the Trump sovereign wealth fund.

The two countries are obliged to each other and the anti American sentiment, which is rife in France, is not cool.

". . . the anti American sentiment, which is rife in France, is not cool."

I think it would be a lot more accurate to say anti-Bozo rather than anti-American.

The day Bozo leaves office, or is impeached or when cholestrol finally does it's job, there won't be an anti-American sentiment everywhere in the world (not just France) and things will return to normal.

I think it's only you brainwashed Trumpanzees who can't see what a despicable and incompetent human being Bozo is. Everyone else sees it.

As for anti-American sentiment in France, I don't see Macron slagging off Bozo or his wife with schoolboy insults. I'm only seeing that kind of juvenile and classless trash coming from your hero.

Here's Bozo's latest message on Truth Social:

"Open the Fuckin’ Strait, you crazy bastards, or you’ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH!"

Very presidential. Very constructive.

The people who voted this useless trailer-trash clown onto office should be ashamed of themselves.

It is very funny. Liberals living in fantasy. Their total lack of universality is baffling. Impossible to get used to it.

. The US National wealth is around $180 trillion. If the US had not come into existence in 1776 that number could have been way smaller.

What number? If the US did not exist, there would be no US number.

The two countries are obliged to each other and the anti American sentiment, which is rife in France, is not cool.

There is no anti-french sentiment in the US. It never misses. Absence of universality. Fact is that there is a strong anti each other in both liberal countries.

What number? If the US did not exist, there would be no US number

. The US National wealth is around $180 trillion. If the US had not come into existence in 1776 that number could have been way smaller.

Er the number that came into existence if the US was formed in say 1830…..do try to keep up.

It is very funny. Total absence of universality.

See how it works, peeps, for liberals, anytime, when they are involved, it has to be different.

Game changer: the US would have formed any way. But France would have remained on the same track any way so the bogus sovereign fund thing could be thrown in.

That's how a framework is mandatory any time liberals are involved: otherwise, they will keep shifting, deflecting etc

Liberals have one major thing in common with fascists: they respect nothing but power.

But the way, nothing about the hate toward France in the US, cool, not cool?

But at least $21 trillion has been repaid when we gave them back their country in 1945.

The many french women who got raped by the US soldiers surely felt the debt was being repaid.

Fun fact: the rape spree was so bad that the US claimed it could only be their black soldiers who were involved. One can not make this kind of things up.

The US were so unable to face the tremendous amount of rapes that happened that they had to shift the blame on their black soldiers.

White people do not rape. The liberal memo, the liberal memo, better to read it.

Batshit wants to end this 'excursion' so that he can concentrate on his Board of Peace & ballroom.

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TADS I assume this is a new more lethal strain of TDS. Will the Science ever find a cure one wonders.

Unfortunately, I don't think a cure is possible.

The problem being that the weak minded don't fall off the wagon, they dive off, like lemmings that believe they'll be applauded.

At some level they believe it gives them purpose but mostly it's the allure of pseudo status that seals the deal.

Their choice is either TDS or irrelevance.

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