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Started by Mozart12 REPLIES602 VIEWS· 24 Feb 2025, 17:37
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Feb 2025, 17:37
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24 Feb 2025, 17:37#1

This from the NYT:


Germany yesterday became the latest country where voters rejected a left-leaning government largely because of their unhappiness over immigration and the economy.

Germany’s next chancellor is likely to be Friedrich Merz, a former corporate lawyer who has promised to crack down on migration, cut taxes and regulation and adopt a hawkish policy toward Russia. Merz leads a center-right alliance that finished first in yesterday’s election, with 29 percent of the vote. A far-right party, Alternative for Germany, that promises even tougher immigration policies — but is friendly toward Russia — finished second, with 21 percent of the vote.



‘’The campaign was dominated by two issues that have also shaped recent politics in the United States and many other parts of Europe: immigration and the economy.

In Germany, the share of the population born in another country has reached nearly 20 percent, up from 12.5 percent in 2015. The increases have brought rapid change to communities. And although many recent immigrants have fared well in school and in the job market, many others have not.

Crime became a salient issue in the campaign. Recent data suggests that foreigners commit about 40 percent of crimes in Germany, Graeme Wood of The Atlantic pointed out. (Immigrants in the U.S., by contrast, commit crimes at a lower rate than natives, despite President Trump’s false claims.) Over the past 10 months, Germany has experienced at least four fatal attacks by migrants who had failed to receive asylum but nonetheless remained in the country.


The struggling German economy, once the envy of the world, also loomed over the campaign. The auto industry has not kept pace with the shift toward electric vehicles, and Germany lacks a culture of entrepreneurship, many economists say.

“Unlike in America last year, there is no one, on the left or the right, arguing that actually things are going pretty well economically,” Jim Tankersley, The Times’s Berlin bureau chief, told me. “When you talk to voters, it is usually the very first thing they bring up.”


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Germany with it’s accelerated immigration, shutting of it’s nuclear plants and campaign to shift away ICE vehicles where they dominate to electrics where China will dominate….is the best act of national suicide we have seen. With massive consequences for Europe which always benefitted from the German economic strength and now will suffer with German weakness.



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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
24 Feb 2025, 18:24
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24 Feb 2025, 18:24#2

Liberal countries are for most of them in political crisis due to them losing their grip on the globalization process they have triggered and furthered. Their hegemony is slowly being eroded. And they have not lost much so far, globalization is by fari still very benefitial to them yet it is no longer as benefitial as it used to be. Still enough to spur political crisis in most of them. Liberals are going to be disatisfied with their government no matter who is in charge. Liberals who are used to govern the world without negotiation are still stuck to the idea that internal political disputes (left vs right, cons vs libs or whatever) matter in any dimension. It is not the case. As such, they will keep sliping toward nazism/fascism as those are the closest political regimes to what liberal nations were at the start. Going to be fun.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Feb 2025, 19:16
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24 Feb 2025, 19:16#3

If it seems crazy it will probably turn out to be crazy.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
24 Feb 2025, 20:07
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24 Feb 2025, 20:07#4

The new chancellor seems like a decent conservative option. As long as he hates Putin and dislikes Trump, that is good enough for me,

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
24 Feb 2025, 20:14
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24 Feb 2025, 20:14#5

Yeah while he's policies wouldn't normally appeal to me, he does seem the best choice regarding Ukraine and for Europe.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Feb 2025, 21:18
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24 Feb 2025, 21:18#6

Another pro business leader….you must be hurting Anger.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Feb 2025, 09:55
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25 Feb 2025, 09:55#7

Jesus weeps, Ukraine's our priority, not what a batshit f'wit pulls out of his honky MAGA arsehole.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Feb 2025, 10:27
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25 Feb 2025, 10:27#8

Its more of the same disastrous Globalist policies for Germany. Merz is a Globalist so although he knows politically its necessary to close the borders and start deportations he could quite possibly prove to be ineffective

The CDU/ CSU alliance used to poll in the forties so the 28% they got was in fact a dismal showing for them. Olafs SPD party crashed.

The big winner of the night was of course the AFD who doubled their vote to 20.8%.in a period of some 3 years.

The Ukraine issue will melt away as President Trump brings an end to the war. I hear that the Rare Erath deal is getting close to be finalized as well.

Merz will govern with the help of Olafs very unpopular socialist party.

Given the situartion in Germany they will not take the actions neccessary to stop the collapse of the country. Hence there will be a crises point and new elections. By that time after more inevitable muslim terror attacks etc the AFD could well storm to victory.

Its interesting to see how the radical lefts continual cry of everyone else being Nazis etc is getting rejected and making them look like the unhinged buffoons they are.

The damage done to German society by the open border Globalist who have been ruling Germany is horrific. Only very strong leadership can undo this damage. That very smart man Elon Musk is right that only the AFD can save Germany.


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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
25 Feb 2025, 10:29
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25 Feb 2025, 10:29#9

If it seems crazy it will probably turn out to be crazy.


It is very hard to determine what is crazy or mad in a liberal society. Liberals have seemlingly lost any capacity to self assess properly whereas they have grown a tolerance to or even a welcoming of contradictions as no other society has done it before.


Just the latest example given on this board: liberals wanted to strike a hefty deal with a leader they would declare as an illegitimate dictator a few days after (not even months, a few days) For simple minded people, the situation appears crazy or even mad. Either the leader is legiitimate and therefore striking a deal with him will grant a legitimate contract or the guy is illegitimate and any deal striken with him will be illegitimate. For simple minded people, one side has to yield: either the leader is legitimate and following that, deals striken with him may be legitimate, or the leader is illegitimate and therefore any striken deal is illegitimate. But for liberal minds, there is some kind of fluidity (in the absence of a better word) at work here, allowing them to glide over the obvious contradiction, to dismiss it. People must remember that liberal societies started in contradiction: they claimed that not being hold in slavery was an inalienable human right while holding slaves. Big contradiction they did not resolve by voting out slavery, on the contrary, they voted measures to re inforce the slavery institution. It seems that now after 250 years going, people have been selected to accomodate those glaring contradictions.


As if it was not enough, there is also a growing tendency from the Trump administration to consider decisions taken by previous US governments as non binding, the Trump administration will probably not declare the Biden administration as illegitimate even though the Trump administration keeps insinuating it was illegitimate.


For simple minded people, a liberal world is a crazy or even a mad world. Liberals inverting most of things, just like when they are pointed out how racist they are, they claim the one pointing out is the racist, when they are pointed as making no sense, they claim people pointing out they make no sense as the ones making no sense, they take the same path, they claim people who point out how crazy a liberal world is are in fact the crazy people.


And it has grown natural to them. They probably did not discern how contradictory it was to want to strike a deal with a guy you would declared an illegitmate dictator a few days later. It was a non issue to them, the contradiction did not even exist.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Feb 2025, 10:45
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25 Feb 2025, 10:45#10

As well knw British commentator Andrew Neil says the days of Europe free loading off the USA are OVER. He rightly notes Europe will need to manage its own defence as America pivots to the real threat of China.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Feb 2025, 11:07
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25 Feb 2025, 11:07#11

fake news................. you'll batshit

evil fwits

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Feb 2025, 13:18
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25 Feb 2025, 13:18#12

Blobbrain I thought you would be interest to know Poland and Romania may stake a claim to land Ukraine has which historical belongs to them.

Hopefully the land will be returned to Poland and Romania just like the land of East Ukraine that historically belong to Russia and is populated by Russians will again belong to Russia as does Crimea.

I am sure you see the reasonableness of this.

One question is Odessa. This port belongs to Russia but is vital to Ukraine.. Maybe dual ownership?

What is certain is Ukraine will lose very valuable territory. Something I warned about in the early days of the war.

So it is clear US led NATO should never have poked the bear and instigated this war. Just as I said from the beginning.

Beeno right on all scores. Stick with Beeno and avoid making jackasses of yourselves. Hahahahahaha.

Tom Holman is doing a great job deporting the invaders. I expect the pace of deportations to pick up dramatically as the months go by. Hopefully a these criminals will be deported some the vast majority of Americans want.

Trump as you know by now thanks to educative posts I make is soaring in the polls. One of the greatest president's America has had if not the greatest - per Mark Levin

Blobbie this is all way beyond your pay grade boet. Stick to commenting on rugby where although your expertise is limited you do occasionally make sense.


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 Feb 2025, 00:56
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26 Feb 2025, 00:56#13

Beansht you & your growing band of Trump sycophants are beyond contempt.



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