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Half baked plan Pt2

Started by Denny12 REPLIES266 VIEWS· 09 Apr 2026, 05:09
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Denny
Captain12,893 posts
09 Apr 2026, 05:09#1
Netanyahu led Trump into Iran war 'despite deep White House concerns'


President Donald Trump was persuaded to unleash war on Iran by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu despite deep skepticism from his inner circle, according to a new report about the high-stakes meetings that took place in the buildup to the conflict.

The New York Times also reported that despite polling his top advisers, he often only heard “what he wanted to hear,” and his team wound up serving as an echo chamber for his gut instincts.

Vice President JD Vance was the most vocal in his opposition to the United States going to war with Iran, while CIA Director Jim Ratcliffe, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Gen. Dan Caine, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned Trump that Netanyahu had “oversold” him on what could be achieved by the bombing campaign, according to The New York Times.

None of them, though, except Vance, went as far as to say to the president that war was a “terrible idea,” according to the report. The vice president is said to have played a key role in negotiating a ceasefire between Iran and the U.S. as Trump threatened to wipe Iranian civilization off the map.

On Feb. 11, the Israelis gave a secret presentation to Trump and his closest advisers in the Situation Room, where they persuaded him that initiating a war on one of the most hostile regions in the world was a good idea, according to the Times report, which is based on reporting from the upcoming book, Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump by Jonathan Swan and Maggie Haberman.

“Sounds good to me,” Trump reportedly told Netanyahu after the presentation, which the leader then took as a likely “green light” for the joint U.S.-Israeli operation that has since killed more than 3,500 people, including 1,600 civilians and 13 U.S. service members in the Middle East.

But at a follow-up meeting on Feb. 12 that consisted only of the Americans, U.S. intelligence officials broke down Netanyahu’s presentation into four parts; killing Ayatollah Ali Khamenei; destroying Iran’s capabilities to project power; a popular uprising inside the country, and regime change with a secular leader installed, according to the report.

While U.S. officials deemed that parts one and two were achievable, Ratcliffe said regime change as an objective was “farcical.”

“In other words, it’s bull****,” Rubio reportedly weighed in, while Vance “expressed strong skepticism” about the prospect.

Caine took it further and said the president had been “oversold” by the Israelis. “Sir, this is, in my experience, standard operating procedure for the Israelis,” Caine said, according to the Times. “They oversell, and their plans are not always well-developed. They know they need us, and that’s why they’re hard-selling.”

Over the following days, Caine reportedly shared with Trump “the alarming military assessment” that waging war with Iran would “drastically deplete” stockpiles of American weapons. In particular, he warned about supplies of missile interceptors, which had been strained after supporting Ukraine and Israel. Vance shared the same concern.


Caine also “flagged the enormous difficulty of securing the Strait of Hormuz and the risks of Iran blocking it,” and yet Trump “dismissed” the possibility. The president assumed that Iran would surrender before it got to that point, according to the report.

But Iran’s grip on the Strait has remained intact, with the regime blocking vessels that transport a fifth of the world’s oil, likely prompting Trump to post an expletive-laden Truth Social over the weekend.

While Caine gave Trump these warnings, “at no point during the deliberations did the chairman directly tell the president that war with Iran was a terrible idea,” the Times reports.

Two days before Trump gave the order to bomb Iran on February 28, he gathered the most senior members of his team and went around the room “one by one” to ask them for their personal opinions about going to war.


But by this point, Trump had “effectively made up his mind weeks earlier, several of his advisers said,” according to the newspaper.

Vance, who told Trump that going to war with Iran could unleash regional chaos and create mass casualties, also warned him that it risked splitting his base — and that it could be seen as “a betrayal” by many of his voters.

White House communications director Steven Cheung also spoke of the “likely public relations fallout” given Trump campaigned on being opposed to launching wars overseas, according to the report.

Ultimately, Cheung reportedly said that “whatever decision Trump made would be the right one.”


Trump’s chief of staff Susie Wiles reportedly told colleagues that “she worried” about the U.S. “being dragged into another war in the Middle East,” but opted to “sit back” in the high-stakes meeting. According to people close to her, she believed it was not her place to air those concerns to the president in front of others and instead encouraged military advisers to share their expertise with him.

White House counsel David Warrington, who represented Trump during the House select committee investigation into Jan. 6, was pressed by the president to share his personal view.

“He said that as a Marine veteran he had known an American service member killed by Iran years earlier,” the Times reports. “This issue remained deeply personal. He told the president that if Israel intended to proceed regardless, the United States should do so as well.”






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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
09 Apr 2026, 05:11#2

Top secret stuff, I'm sure it's true...not

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Denny
Captain12,893 posts
09 Apr 2026, 05:21#3

Yeah yeah yeah.

Get some sleep mate

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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
09 Apr 2026, 05:51#4

Sleep is for the meek.

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Denny
Captain12,893 posts
09 Apr 2026, 06:17#5

I suspect an obsession.

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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
09 Apr 2026, 07:36#6

"The New York Times also reported that despite polling his top advisers, he often only heard “what he wanted to hear,” and his team wound up serving as an echo chamber for his gut instincts."


This is what happens when a stupid, self-serving and egotistical clown surrounds himself with incompetent and unqualified grovelling lickspittles and no-one has the guts to contradict him.


How long have some of us been saying this?


Thanks Denny. Good to see the truth starting to come out.

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Denny
Captain12,893 posts
09 Apr 2026, 10:22#7

Well Rooi, truth be told, after telling us that he'd won the war, had obliterated Iran's military,navy and nuclear capability........and that America had the best military in the world, the best military in the world was at Iran's mercy to open the Strait of Hormuz. The best military in the world was rendered useless in securing the free flow of oil through the Strait. Iran holds the key to the world's economic well-being....not Trump.

Proven Fact!


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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
09 Apr 2026, 10:33#8

I don't think there's much question that the USA has the most powerful military in the world, but their problem - and what renders that military might almost meaningless - is having clowns like Bozo and Hegsuck in control of that military.


That's what leads to the world's most powerful military having to watch Iran control the Straits and hold the world to ransom while not being able to do anything about it.


Some would call that humilating or embarrassing but of course Bozo, Hegsuck and Leavitt are still calling Operation Epic Fail a great victory.


Bozo and Hegsuck were warned about the Straits but were so vain and so confident following Midnight Hammer and the Venezuela operation that they stupidly assumed Iran would just cave and would have surrendered before the Straits became an issue.

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Denny
Captain12,893 posts
09 Apr 2026, 10:51#9

Problem as I see is that a Clown is in charge of the best military in the world.

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clevermike
Coach57,555 posts
09 Apr 2026, 11:14#10

Denny


You are no real expert in determining clowns. f f you were you would have idenified the corrupt shit you aays admired - starting of with Obama, Clinton and Biden - the msot cprru[pt shit ever in the history of the USA Government.



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Denny
Captain12,893 posts
09 Apr 2026, 13:47#11

You are no real expert in determining clowns.


There's no need to be an expert......a Clown is a natural at making people laugh even when he's not funny hahaha....TBDS(Trump Bullshit Denial Syndrome)

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Crusadersfan
Pro3,099 posts
09 Apr 2026, 14:47#12

Best military in the world?

Debatable as they have not won a war since WWII,

Sure have lost a lot, closest they have come to is Desert storm but then they lacked the balls to finish it.

Certainly the most technically advanced (not surprising with how much they spend on it) and do have good soldiers but let down by their stupid politicians (not just Trump) that keep getting them in pointless wars on the behalf of Americas elite so they can get rich on the blood of America's youth.

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DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
09 Apr 2026, 15:55#13

Howzit Sader...yeah, you summed it up pretty well...

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