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Here we go with the Nukes...

Started by Plum10 REPLIES371 VIEWS· 26 May 2023, 07:58
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 May 2023, 07:58
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26 May 2023, 07:58#1
"Lukashenko Confirms Russian Tactical Nukes Already Being Transferred To Belarus Despite urgent warnings from US and Western allies, Moscow is moving forward with plans to station tactical nuclear weapons in neighboring Belarus. The two longtime allies which form what they call a 'union state' signed a deal Thursday to formalize deployment of Russian nukes on Belarusian soil." Now, as I mentioned many months ago, nukes are in play. So here is my question to all you "Ukraine to the last man" people. When the nukes start going off, will it then be time to force negotiations? As you sit there in your chair...WHAT IS YOUR PLAN ONCE YOU HEAR THE NEWS THAT NUCLEAR WEAPONS ARE BEING USED!!!??? "They wont dare use nukes..." I hear you say. Perhaps it's time to decide whether you actually think Putin is a madman or whether you're just saying that to gain some virtue points. Because if you actually believe that he is an evil madman...then you should probably be building a bunker right now.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 May 2023, 08:33
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26 May 2023, 08:33#2

Britain sent radioactive ammunition to Ukraine. The Russians sent in a missile and blew up this ammunition. Now a radio active cloud is drifting over Europe! Doubtless the Globalost media will somehow spin this as being Putins fault. 

Putin has said he will not use nucleur weapons unless Rusdia is threatened.. 

Given that Russia has the largest nucleur arsenal in the world and has the delivery systems including hyper sonic missiles against which there is no defence anybody thinking Russia can be defeated is a raving lunatic. 

Plum the war is serving some useful purpose the the Globalists in the West. Lots of money is being made by the military industrial complex. Lots of money is being laundered back to greedy Globalist politicians. 

Further the war facilitates the war in energy and food and also aids in efforts to collapse the economies of the world as part of the Great Reset Agenda. 

No Russia will never accept regime change, Globalust wokeness or dismemberment of Rusdia and if necessary will push the button. Personally I don't think it will come to this as Russia is thankfully winning the Ukraine war. 

No the greedy Globalists will never own the vast riches of Russia they so enviously desire. 




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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 May 2023, 08:35
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26 May 2023, 08:35#3

Why the invasion?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 May 2023, 09:41
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26 May 2023, 09:41#4

"Lukashenko Confirms Russian Tactical Nukes Already Being Transferred To Belarus

Despite urgent warnings from US and Western allies, Moscow is moving forward with plans to station tactical nuclear weapons in neighboring Belarus. The two longtime allies which form what they call a 'union state' signed a deal Thursday to formalize deployment of Russian nukes on Belarusian soil."

Tell me what what difference does nukes in Belarus make? 

The Russian's have always had the ability to deploy tactical nuclear weapons from Russia itself.

This is just the same nuclear sabre rattling Russia has been doing since the start of the war. Like when they threatened to put nuclear weapons into the Baltic in response to Sweden and Finland joining NATO. The west was like "so what?" we know you already have nukes there anyway. Russian does this for one reason to try to scare the west off from supporting Ukraine and get them to think like you do, because they know as long as the west continues to support Ukraine they can't win by conventional military means. 
So here is my question to all you "Ukraine to the last man" people.

That's disingenuous representation of people who support Ukraine's right to resist aggression. The people supporting Ukraine's right to resist did not cause this war nor is it forcing the Ukrainian's to fight, the Ukrainan's themselves have overwhelming chosen to do so. It also ignores history in that virtually no conflict has ever resulted in an entire nationality being completely wiped out and the current reality that the Russian's have proven themselves military incapable of doing so. 

When the nukes start going off, will it then be time to force negotiations?

As you sit there in your chair...WHAT IS YOUR PLAN ONCE YOU HEAR THE NEWS THAT NUCLEAR WEAPONS ARE BEING USED!!!???

"They wont dare use nukes..." I hear you say.

Perhaps it's time to decide whether you actually think Putin is a madman or whether you're just saying that to gain some virtue points.

Because if you actually believe that he is an evil madman...then you should probably be building a bunker right now.

When?...easy there Mystic Meg.

If and that's a big if the Russian's use a tactical nuclear weapon there is likely two scenarios to occur. Scenario 1, the West back's down in its support of Ukraine deeming the risk of escalation too much. Ukraine fights on for as long as it can without support but eventually is forced to negotiate a peace under terms favourable to Russia. I don't think this is likely.

Scenario 2 More probable, NATO will likely enter the war, but not respond with nukes of its own. It would likely give Russia an ultimatum, leave Ukraine (Crimea may or may not be included) or every Russian military unit in Ukraine will be annihilated by conventional military means. There is also a strong possibility that Russia using nukes would be too much even for China and they would cut ties with Russia, increasing Russia's diplomatic and economic isolation.

At this point Putin either has to pull his forces out or see they being annihilated. His only recourse at this point would be escalate to a nuclear exchange with NATO but that would mean the total destruction of Russia. To get to that point you have to assume that Putin would be willing for that to happen and that if he was no would step in and stop him.

It's far less risky for Putin to just keep doing what he's currently doing. Continue with the war of attrition, hope the west gets fed up of supporting Ukraine at some point in the future and stops supplying them with military aid which should allow Russia to win via conventional military means. while every now and then rattle the nuclear sabre to try to spook the west.

Putin could very well be described as evil, but's not mad. He just made a a major miscalculation with this war.

If the west does gives into nuclear blackmail over Ukraine what road will that led us down. Within a few years Putin or his successor is making demands NATO withdraws to its 1997 boarders and its military starts rolling into the Baltic and other Eastern Europe states. China invades Taiwan and threatens nuclear retaliation against anyone who aids Taiwan. China then starts militarily enforcing its claims over the entirety of the south China sea and threatens nuclear war against anyone who tries to contest that? And when it becomes known that nuclear blackmail works what will that do for nuclear proliferation around the world. Every tin pot dictator on the planet will want his own nuclear arsenal. 





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sharkbokCaptain23,200 posts
26 May 2023, 10:38
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26 May 2023, 10:38#5

With nuclear weapons, there would always come a day when an authoritarian dictator would threaten the world with nuclear obliteration.

In fact, it is not surprising- it was expected - and that is perhaps the main reason for the existence of NATO. You strike one country in NATO, and it is an all-out war with every country in NATO. 

If Russia nuked every NATO country in the world, it would be enough radiation to spread around the world to kill everyone - including Russia. 

If Russia nuke one country in NATO, Russia will be obliterated- either with Nukes or conventional weaponry. 
We have seen how weak the Russian army is, NATO will make quick work of them.

If NATO concedes Ukraine to Russian imperialistic aggression by being intimidated by nuclear weapons, then Russia will just do it again, and again and again.

This is something that was discussed (by people with brains) just after World War 2 when NATO was formed. 

You don't negotiate with terrorists. You hold your ground. 

As usual, the ButtPlug thinks being an apologist that appeases terrorists is the way to go.



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 May 2023, 11:24
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26 May 2023, 11:24#6
If it ever did come to global nuclear war than yes absolutely we all regret not having cutting deal with Russia.
But since we are talking hypothetically here for those  suggesting cutting a deal now with Russia what would they say if a few years down the road, Russian tanks move into another country like Moldova or demand NATO withdraws to its 1997 boarders. Would they argue for further concessions. Is there a point where those countries or the west are allowed fight back and if so what point is that. Is only when the people suggesting cutting a deal now are personal threatened?

 
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sharkbokCaptain23,200 posts
26 May 2023, 11:39
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26 May 2023, 11:39#7
When everyone appeased Hitler, it created a monster.

He just got worse and worse- and only lost the war because of his delusions of grandeur that caused him to try fight on all fronts at the same time - instead of his initial conservative approach of one country at a time. 



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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 May 2023, 12:27
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26 May 2023, 12:27#8

"Given that Russia has the largest nucleur arsenal in the world and has the delivery systems including hyper sonic missiles against which there is no defence anybody thinking Russia can be defeated is a raving lunatic"

You are joking right...... do you seriously believe this statement?

Putin knows very well that if he ever decided to launch any nuclear missile towards any NATO member, Russia as a country, will cease to exist and it will be wiped off the map.

NATO would never.... ever.... risk allowing any more additional military nuclear strikes from Russia to occur to any other NATO member... and they would want to immediately shut down that threat as soon as possible...

There is only one way that they could guarantee to remove that constant threat from Russia and to ensure the safety of all the NATO members .... and that would be for all the collective NATO allies to respond with so much unprecedented military force against Russia..... that Russia would never stand a chance..... in fact, it would not even be close.

Sure, Russia would get some missiles off, maybe even a few hypersonic ones...... but NATO as a collective would absolutely annihilate Russia..... no question in my mind at all.

If at any stage, the West backs down to Putin now, then they are giving him free reign to do whatever the hell he wants to in the future, and should he be replaced at any time, you can bet your ass that his successor what never let up on that leverage.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 May 2023, 12:37
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26 May 2023, 12:37#9

Due to China's steadfast stance on the NFU "No First Use" pledge, I also believe that China would immediately back out of supporting Russia if it went nuclear, because they would not want to be involved in the international backlash that would come with the use of these weapons.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 May 2023, 13:24
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26 May 2023, 13:24#10

Taiwan is the great crisis the West would like to avoid. Bleeding Russia dry, showing how missiles can defend a small military serve that purpose. Whatever the West spends helping the Ukraine is money well spent, but to say the West wanted the war is rubbish,

And despite all the Nazi excuse mongering, the Ukrainians are putting up an epic fight….this is fortress Britain but the protagonists are even more mismatched. Sadly post war aid will never compensate for what they have lost 

The laughable propaganda on here of Russia as this moral high ground beggars belief. More than even most wars, this is about the wishes of one really needy man.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 May 2023, 13:44
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26 May 2023, 13:44#11

"Taiwan is the great crisis the West would like to avoid"

I hope I don't see this escalate and happen in my lifetime..... but it very possibly could.

This one could get very ugly, very quickly.

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