Homage to Trompie

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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, under Trump, another huge development right now regarding massive fraud and corruption....

This is the largest ever National Health Care Fraud Takedown in American history....

This led to criminal charges being made against 324 defendants, including 96 doctors, nurses and other licensed medical pratictioners across 50 federal districts and 12 state attorney offices nationwide

This involved $14.6 billion in possible losses.

Now there's some proper "homage" to "Trompie"

Have a look and listen

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1939712178514235667?t=ij6dCBBer8n6KNnEms2LnA&s=03

Try look for some good for a change .... and never just the bad..... it's a shitty way to live

Why are you giving Trump credit for the DOJ's work?

I mean it's not like he's partook in the investigation work itself. Yes it's true to say that Trump's pick's are now running the DOJ, but do you think that his people are solely responsible for this fraud takedown...that they were able to open an investigation that led to the uncovering of the largest health care fraud in US history and mass arrests in under 5 months?

Well back at the ranch, you will find that the DOJ's announcement was a result of a much longer term investigation called Operation Gold Rush instigated in early 2023 during Biden's term which uncovered $10.6 billion of the fraud. Going by your logic we would have to give more credit to Biden.

But honestly I wouldn't give much credit to either, other than a small acknowledgement that their picks for running the DOJ were successful enough in running the Department to allow for a major anti fraud investigation success but the bulk of the credit goes to the no doubt hundreds of people who carried out the investigations.

'....but the bulk of the credit goes to the no doubt hundreds of people who carried out the investigations.'

Refreshing to see an unbiased, mature and rational viewpoint instead of uncalled for zealous credit being lavished on Donnie.

Why are you giving Trump credit for the DOJ's work?

Well, if I saw more of this large scale fraud and corruption being outed and publicised under Biden's administration, I would have given him credit... but I didn't, so I won't.....simple....

Biden concealed fraud and corruption on all levels, from his own family and all through the governement, so I don't see any comparison at all.

If people still truly believe that Biden and most of his family are innocent, then they are naive and stupid, it really is that basic...

The level of concealment regarding anything that the Bidens did is astounding, whereas anything and every single thing that Trump has done, has so far been investigated and exposed.... and has basically led to nothing at all.

I don't trust Biden from being around young children, to handling anything remotely financial, such is my distrust of the man...and yes, I know you feel the same way about Trump .... so be it.

"but the bulk of the credit goes to the no doubt hundreds of people who carried out the investigations.'

Refreshing to see an unbiased, mature and rational viewpoint instead of uncalled for zealous credit being lavished on Donnie."

Yeah, of course it is.... like it was refreshing to see how Biden's administration did everything they could to discredit Trump, conceal the Hunter story, pardon all the innocent family members after personally professing for years to never ever do that.......and then even pressuring the huge social media companies to distort the truth or not report any of it truthfully to the rest of the world.

LMAO....yeah.... it's very refreshing to see...... for you

The bomb that devastated the Iranian atomic in enrichment site, might have been serviced during Biden’s regime….he deserves half the credit? The reason Trump gets the credit is because he disregards all the political considerations and goes after the sacred cows. Biden and Obama were very reluctant to rock the boat domestically or overseas.

Well, if I saw more of this large scale fraud and corruption being outed and publicised under Biden's administration, I would have given him credit... but I didn't, so I won't.....simple....

So you missed the FTX fraud cause from November 2022 to March 2024, which uncovered $8 Billion in fraud? You going give him credit now?

Biden concealed fraud and corruption on all levels, from his own family and all through the governement, so I don't see any comparison at all.

If people still truly believe that Biden and most of his family are innocent, then they are naive and stupid, it really is that basic...

From my understanding since January 2023 there is an ongoing House Oversight Committee investigation into Biden's Foreign Business dealing which is led by Republicans, as of present it has found no direct evidence indicating Biden in any wrong doings.

Hunter Biden's legal issues have not been linked in anyway back to Joe Biden, other than the pardon. (which I said at the time I did not support) but that was in Biden's legal power to do so.

Basically all you are doing is throwing out unproven political conspiracy theories here and calling people naive and stupid of not believing them. Every wonder political discourse is so bad when it comes to US politics?

The level of concealment regarding anything that the Bidens did is astounding, whereas anything and every single thing that Trump has done, has so far been investigated and exposed.... and has basically led to nothing at all.

So astounding that we have one investigation regarding potential fraud that has so far turned up exactly nothing and another that's just started about his cognitive ability while President and hasn't reported anything yet , where as with Trump has been convicted on multiple counts in both criminal and civil cases in additional. Several more serious charges had to be dropped not because Trump proved his innocence in a court of law, but because he stalled the criminal cases long enough to become President again, leaving them in legal limbo until after his Presidency ends.

The two men are not even remotely comparably when it comes to corruption.

I don't trust Biden from being around young children, to handling anything remotely financial, such is my distrust of the man...and yes, I know you feel the same way about Trump .... so be it.

That's all very well and good but the fact of the matter is that doesn't change the fact that this fraud case had very little to do with Trump. Like Trump supporters often do, you give him credit in situations were it's not due and your response exposes a hypocritical doubles standard in you not wanting to give Biden any credit when the investigation began and ran for a lot longer under his administration.

Yeah, of course it is.... like it was refreshing to see how Biden's administration did everything they could to discredit Trump,

Actually the Biden administration didn't even call for an investigation into Trump. Biden repeatedly emphasised he would not interfere in the DOJ and allow it to operate independently. Many have called this a mistake on his part as the slowness of the DOJ in bringing cases against Trump led to Trump successfully stalling legal proceedings long enough for him to become President again. This compares to Trump who on return to office immediately announced an investigation into Joe Biden's mental health while he was President.

conceal the Hunter story

There is zero evidence to collaborate that allegation and yes I'm aware of the FBI warning that led to self censorship by Facebook and other events surrounding the laptop like the letter by the 51 ex intelligent agents. None of that proves any sort of cover up by Biden or his administration and no the contents of the laptop did not prove Joe Biden was involved in fraud.

pardon all the innocent family members after personally professing for years to never ever do that

There was just one. But yes it's absolutely fair to criticize Biden on this point. He said he wouldn't repeatedly and he then he did. Sets an awful standard of one rule for the average person another for the rich/powerful/connected.

and then even pressuring the huge social media companies to distort the truth or not report any of it truthfully to the rest of the world.

What are you referring to here?

LMAO....yeah.... it's very refreshing to see...... for you

Or you could just admit you were wrong to give Trump credit for this investigation which had little if anything to do with him instead of playing whataboutisms.

The bomb that devastated the Iranian atomic in enrichment site, might have been serviced during Biden’s regime….he deserves half the credit?

What has bombing Iran's nuclear program got to do with a DOJ investigation into fraud in the US health sector. They are not comparable situations. Trump obviously directly ordered the bombing of Iran's nuclear plant so he can take credit for it's ultimate success or failure. The DOJ investigation that lead to the announcement the other day was ongoing years before he took office.

The reason Trump gets the credit is because he disregards all the political considerations and goes after the sacred cows. Biden and Obama were very reluctant to rock the boat domestically or overseas.

You do understand that's all the reason why he doesn't get credit. There is a difference between not wanting to rock the boat and playing chicken with Niagara Falls.

So you missed the FTX fraud cause from November 2022 to March 2024, which uncovered $8 Billion in fraud? You going give him credit now?

Yes I did miss it, well done Biden

Basically all you are doing is throwing out unproven political conspiracy theories here and calling people naive and stupid of not believing them. Every wonder political discourse is so bad when it comes to US politics?

What absolute rubbish....just what Mark Zuckerberg said tells me all I need to know about the Biden administration, nevermind everything else that went on with Hunter, Ukraine, China, the Autopen, the Russia collusion ....you are naive to the extreme.

So astounding that we have one investigation regarding potential fraud that has so far turned up exactly nothing and another that's just started about his cognitive ability while President and hasn't reported anything yet

Oh please, it's baby days with investigating Biden..... a lot will still come out

"Like Trump supporters often do, you give him credit in situations were it's not due and your response exposes a hypocritical doubles standard in you not wanting to give Biden any credit when the investigation began and ran for a lot longer under his administration."

I just did

Actually the Biden administration didn't even call for an investigation into Trump

LMAO.... just lol....... you really believe that...... haha

"There is zero evidence to collaborate that allegation and yes I'm aware of the FBI warning that led to self censorship by Facebook and other events surrounding the laptop like the letter by the 51 ex intelligent agents. None of that proves any sort of cover up by Biden or his administration and no the contents of the laptop did not prove Joe Biden was involved in fraud."

Of course.... it was Kamala

Or you could just admit you were wrong to give Trump credit for this investigation which had little if anything to do with him instead of playing whataboutisms.

It also happened under Trump, so I credited him.....easy...... I have already credited Biden here, so not sure what the point is .... I cannot credit something I don't or didn't know about......you pointed it out, I credited it..... simple.

Yes I did miss it, well done Biden

Your missing the point it had nothing or very little to do with Biden. Same as the current investigation has nothing or very little to do with Trump.

What absolute rubbish....just what Mark Zuckerberg said tells me all I need to know about the Biden administration, nevermind everything else that went on with Hunter, Ukraine, China, the Autopen, the Russia collusion ....you are naive to the extreme.

So Mark Zuckerberg made comments that align with your political views. Again that's not evidence of wrong doing or corruption on Joe Biden's part.

Oh please, it's baby days with investigating Biden..... a lot will still come out

I love the lack of consistency when comparing Trump and Biden investigations. When investigations into Biden or Hunter Biden take too long or turn up nothing, its because its too early to tell or it's part of a cover up. When Trump's investigations drag on it's indication that the cases against Trump are weak or that there is nothing too them and they are politically motivated. But lets put a rain check in here for the day the findings of that investigation into Biden's foreign dealings are announced.

LMAO.... just lol....... you really believe that...... haha

Lets ask ChatGPT

Did the Biden administration call for an investigation into Donald Trump?

No — the Biden administration has not called for any investigation into Donald Trump. Here's the breakdown:

1. Independence of DOJ
2. President Biden has consistently emphasized that he will not direct the Department of Justice regarding prosecutions. He said he would "let them make their independent judgment" and never pressured DOJ regarding Trump en.wikipedia.org+15reddit.com+15independent.co.uk+15.
3. No public calls for investigations
4. Unlike a few Democrats early in his presidency who wanted investigations, Biden himself "resisted pressure" to pursue such actions, aiming to avoid further political division nzherald.co.nz.
5. Fact-checking misconceptions
6. Claims that Biden directed investigations into Trump have been ruled false by fact-checkers—no evidence supports them politifact.com.

?? What’s really happening?

1. Trump is indeed under federal special?counsel investigations, such as Jack Smith’s probe into classified documents and January 6 events washingtonpost.com+12en.wikipedia.org+12edition.cnn.com+12.
2. But Biden personally has not called for or initiated any such investigation. He maintains that DOJ actions should be autonomous and evidence?based.

TL;DR

1. ? No, Biden hasn’t called for an investigation into Trump.
2. ? DOJ investigations currently ongoing are being led by independent prosecutors, not by presidential directive.

Lets ask Microsoft Co-Pilot

During Joe Biden's presidency did his administration call for an investigation into Donald Trump?

During Joe Biden’s presidency (2021–2025), his administration did not order or publicly call for a criminal investigation into Donald Trump. In fact, President Biden consistently emphasized the independence of the Department of Justice (DOJ) and refrained from directing legal action against his predecessor.

??? Biden’s Approach to DOJ Independence

1. Biden appointed Merrick Garland as Attorney General in 2021, a move widely seen as reinforcing DOJ neutrality.
2. The White House maintained a “no contact” policy with the DOJ on criminal matters involving Trump.
3. Biden repeatedly stated that he would not interfere with ongoing investigations, including those related to:
4. The January 6 Capitol riot
5. Trump’s handling of classified documents
6. Alleged election interference

?? Investigations During Biden’s Term

While Trump was investigated and even indicted during Biden’s presidency, these actions were:

1. Initiated by independent prosecutors (e.g., Special Counsel Jack Smith)
2. Not publicly directed or requested by Biden or his administration
3. Handled by the DOJ and state-level prosecutors, not the White House

?? Biden’s Public Statements

Biden often avoided commenting on Trump’s legal troubles, saying:

“I have never—not once—suggested to the Justice Department what they should or should not do.”

This was a deliberate contrast to Trump’s own approach to the DOJ during his first term, when he frequently criticized and pressured law enforcement agencies.

Of course.... it was Kamala

That's not a rebuttal.

It also happened under Trump, so I credited him.....easy...... I have already credited Biden here, so not sure what the point is .... I cannot credit something I don't or didn't know about......you pointed it out, I credited it..... simple.

Are you still not getting it, neither man is really entitled to any credit for those investigations, they are ran by what should be an independent department and worked on by hundreds if not thousands of people of all political affiliations.

Hail to the Orange King baby!!!

How easily some forget the Stormy Daniels hush money cover up payment that blew up in Donnie's face. But that's ok he probably got himself a lot more votes being the man who can do no wrong.

The bomb that devastated the Iranian atomic in enrichment site, might have been serviced during Biden’s regime….he deserves half the credit?

What has bombing Iran's nuclear program got to do with a DOJ investigation into fraud in the US health sector. They are not comparable situations.

Nothing I’m creating an absurd, sarcastic parallel, but here’s the principle. Many Presidential actions may have been started in a prior President’s term, that doesn’t mean the incumbent isn’t responsible and therefore judged on it being effectively executed. Take the exit from Iraq, proposed under Trump, botched by Biden.

Who gets the blame? Biden of course. Do try to keep up.

Afghanistan...Obama was the one to withdraw from Iraq...he too left the equipment behind for ISIS ;-)

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"Your missing the point it had nothing or very little to do with Biden. Same as the current investigation has nothing or very little to do with Trump."

You are the one missing the point.....the fish rots from the head first

"So Mark Zuckerberg made comments that align with your political views. Again that's not evidence of wrong doing or corruption on Joe Biden's part."

Far from it just being Mark Zuckerberg....

I love the lack of consistency when comparing Trump and Biden investigations

The irony with you on this statement here is crazy

No public calls for investigations

LMAO ... of course they would be made public ..... bwahahahahaha

President Biden has consistently emphasized that he will not direct the Department of Justice regarding prosecutions. He said he would "let them make their independent judgment" and never pressured DOJ regarding Trump

Ahhhhhh yes..... just like Joe Biden repeatedly told the world that he would never pardon his son and that he completely trusts the American legal system to make an independent and fair judgement or decision regarding his son Hunter......yes...... we all remember that.......oh wait..... LMAO .. you still surprise me with your constant high level of naivety

We have learnt many times over already.... is that what Joe Biden publicly says, and what Joe Biden eventually really ends up doing, are two vastly different things...

That's not a rebuttal.

You are very intuitive.... it's called sarcasm.

In fact, President Biden consistently emphasized the independence of the Department of Justice (DOJ) and refrained from directing legal action against his predecessor.

Yep, just like he kept repeating this when it involved his son, until the evidence started mounting on certain issues and he decided that a pardon was the best and safest way to go, even though he consistently and very determinedly kept stating to the worlds media that he would never ever pardon his son, and that his son would face the law just like any other ordinary American citizen would.....yeah, Joe Biden is great at "Emphasizing" what he "would" do, but only until the heat gets too much

Are you still not getting it, neither man is really entitled to any credit for those investigations, they are ran by what should be an independent department and worked on by hundreds if not thousands of people of all political affiliations.

You are the one who doesn't get it .......the head of any organisation in the world, will always get the ultimate accolades of how that business, team, country, organisation is run .....

Whilst many of the individual employees, team players, citizens etc etc will always get the credit for the win, the achievements, the increase in profits, the reduction of crime, the prevention of fraud ... it is always the top guy who gets the ultimate pat on the back or the increase from the shareholders, or the re-election from the citizens etc etc.....that is the very real world that we live in every day, you are so incredibly naive, and you display this constantly.

For instance, hypothetically, If DOGE managed to save the American citizens 1 $trillion dollars in the next four years ....which saved each American citizen hundreds or thousands of dollars a year in either medicare, food costs, or fuel costs.....or whatever other reduction in costs that they would normally have to bear....do you honestly think that the majority of the American people would not praise Elon or Trump for that......... get real man.

I am not saying that the thousands of people should not get the credit from the American people, because they obviously should, but in the real world, that doesn't happen, and you know it......that is besides them being acknowledged or rewarded by the senior management in that specific organisation.... that is the reality of life.

Nothing I’m creating an absurd, sarcastic parallel, but here’s the principle. Many Presidential actions may have been started in a prior President’s term, that doesn’t mean the incumbent isn’t responsible and therefore judged on it being effectively executed. Take the exit from Iraq, proposed under Trump, botched by Biden.

It's an unnecessary parallel that addresses a point I wasn't making. Yes of course there can be follow over from Presidential actions from one Presidency to the next. In the case of the withdrawal of Afghanistan that was something directly under Biden's authority to control, hence he takes his significant share of the blame. Where as the DOJ's investigation into fraud in the health care sector was carried out by an agency that is independent from the President's direct control. The two situations are not comparable.

Afghanistan...Obama was the one to withdraw from Iraq...he too left the equipment behind for ISIS ;-)

False. Firstly the American's never completely withdrew from Iraq, their still there to this day. Secondly the equipment wasn't left behind per say unless it was deemed beyond repair or obsolete. A lot of equipment was transferred over to the Iraqi security forces and substantially abandoned by them in their initial battles with ISIS, allowing ISIS to capture it. Wasn't comparable to Afghanistan were equipment was literally left behind in the rush to meet the withdrawal deadline.

You are the one missing the point.....the fish rots from the head first

Nice quote. I prefer, that which is presented with out evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

Far from it just being Mark Zuckerberg....

Okay several people made comments that align with your political views. That again is not evidence.

The irony with you on this statement here is crazy

No irony, just the truth. I have often seem Trump supporters claim that if there was anything to the investigation against Trump they would have led to charges by now and then apply a complete double standard when the investigation was ongoing into Hunter Biden, the reason no charges where bring brought against him was because he was being protected. There is also the fact that Trump has actually been criminal convicted of multiple counts of fraud which seems to be completely overlooked or dismissed by Trump supporters while they take it as near gospel that Joe Biden is the reincarnation of Charles Ponzi.

LMAO ... of course they would be made public ..... bwahahahahaha

Incredulous laughter is not a rebuttal or evidence.

Ahhhhhh yes..... just like Joe Biden repeatedly told the world that he would never pardon his son and that he completely trusts the legal system to make an independent and fair judgement or decision regarding his son Hunter......yes...... we all remember that.......oh wait..... LMAO .. you still surprise me with your naivety

Biden backtracking on his statement that he wouldn't pardon his son if convicted is not evidence that Biden pushed the DOJ to open a criminal investigation into Trump. They are separate issues. Yes you can call into question Joe Biden's character but here in the real world you need proof if you want your accusations to hold any water. Also are we applying this same standard to Trump, because Trump is on record backtracking and lying on countless occasions. Can consider him guilty of whatever crime we want?

You are very intuitive.... it's called sarcasm.

In fact, President Biden consistently emphasized the independence of the Department of Justice (DOJ) and refrained from directing legal action against his predecessor.

Yep, just like he kept repeating this when it involved his son, until the evidence started mounting on certain issues and he decided that a pardon was the best and safest way to go, even though he consistently and very determinedly kept stating to the worlds media that he would never ever pardon his son, and that his son would face the law just like any other ordinary American citizen would.....yeah, Joe Biden is great at "Emphasizing" what he "would" do, but only until the heat gets too much

Again Biden being guilty of a lie/backtracking over pardoning his son, does not automatically mean he's guilty of whatever else you want him to be guilty of. Evidence is required.

You are the one who doesn't get it .......the head of any organisation in the world, will always get the ultimate accolades of how that business, team, country, organisation is run .....

So when the LA riots broke out, that was Trump's fault right. I mean after all he's the head of the team right...that's how it works right...no such thing as nuance, everything is black and white?

Whilst many of the individual employees, team players, citizens etc etc will always get the credit for the win, the achievements, the increase in profits, the reduction of crime, the prevention of fraud ... it is always the top guy who gets the ultimate pat on the back or the increase from the shareholders, or the re-election from the citizens etc etc.....that is the very real world that we live in every day, you are so incredibly naive, and you display this constantly.

For instance, hypothetically, If DOGE managed to save the American citizens 1 $trillion dollars in the next four years ....which saved each American citizen hundreds or thousands of dollars a year in either medicare, food costs, or fuel costs.....or whatever other reduction in costs that they would normally have to bear....do you honestly think that the majority of the American people would not praise Elon or Trump for that......... get real man.

If hypothetically DOGE managed to save $1 trillion, then absolutely Trump and Musk would get credit for it because it was actually Trump and Musk's imitative set up specifically cut waste and fraud to make those savings. It would be an event that would not have happened without them. I would have no issue assigning credit were it's due.

Compared to the investigation into fraud in the health care sector, a investigation that was initiated and run by the DOJ a department that's run independent of the Presidency. Had Trump never been elected President a second time, that investigation would of still run its course without him.

I am not saying that the thousands of people should not get the credit from the American people, because they obviously should, but in the real world, that doesn't happen, and you know it......that is besides them being acknowledged or rewarded by the senior management in that specific organisation.... that is the reality of life.

If it doesn't happen, it's because of tribal politics and people playing games that absolutely doesn't justify it. You know at this point that Trump had nothing to do with that fraud investigation and to accredit Trump is just dishonest, but rather than acknowledge that fact you hide by the generalisation that people tend to give the top man gets the credit, irrespective of how much involvement he had.

Be honest if this happened the other way round and people were given Biden the credit for a investigation by the intendent DOJ that mostly occurred before he was President and republicans brought up those points, would you not be claiming those people were either ill informed or making misleading statements.

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Wasn't Trump captain of the ship that day? Yet somehow it was Pelosi's fault.

Wasn't Trump captain of the ship that day? Yet somehow it was Pelosi's fault.

Oh Dear, dat will hurt.

J6 was a PSYOP to get rid of Trump...it failed.

J6 was a PSYOP to get rid of Trump...it failed.

Wasn't Trump captain of the ship that day? Yet somehow it was Pelosi's fault.

Well, Pelosi admitted it was her fault.... so go figure

Okay several people made comments that align with your political views. That again is not evidence

The verbal affirmative that it actually happened from the owner of the company is good enough for me in this specific instance.

Incredulous laughter is not a rebuttal or evidence

Neither is ignorance

There is also the fact that Trump has actually been criminal convicted of multiple counts of fraud which seems to be completely overlooked or dismissed by Trump supporters while they take it as near gospel that Joe Biden is the reincarnation of Charles Ponzi.

The wood for the trees

Again Biden being guilty of a lie/backtracking over pardoning his son, does not automatically mean he's guilty of whatever else you want him to be guilty of. Evidence is required.

I am entitled to my opinion of Joe Biden, just like you are entitled to making up all these various wild theories in the past that many posters have taken up with you, because you have not been able to produce a single bit of evidence to support your claims....it is just your own personal opinion .... so if the pot ever called the kettle black, it's right here with you, because you have always had the tendency of doing that, and multiple posters in the past here have challenged you on this.

So when the LA riots broke out, that was Trump's fault right. I mean after all he's the head of the team right...that's how it works right...no such thing as nuance, everything is black and white?

You know exactly what I mean, but if you want to understand my overall blanket statement like a 5 year old would interpret it, then go ahead, but it's childish.

Newsom was responsible for controlling the riots in LA, and when he did absolutely SFA, for a very long time, given what was happening, Trump correctly stepped in, as he should have, and got everything under control with the national guard....but of course you know this..... you just refuse to accept it. Now if Trump had just stood by and let that carnage in LA continue for another two weeks, who do you think would be torn to pieces in the media..... Trump, not Newsom, and again, you know this, but you will just respond by saying, well, if it wasn't for Trump, none of it would have happened to begin with and they would just unfortuately still have those illegal criminals roaming their streets, that's how you roll.

Had Trump never been elected President a second time, that investigation would of still run its course without him.

More unfounded assumptions from you, which as I referred to earlier, you really enjoy doing all the time.........you are probably correct, but you have no way of knowing this, so stop stating it as fact.

You know at this point that Trump had nothing to do with that fraud investigation and to accredit Trump is just dishonest

Absolute rubbish, whether it is good or bad, people will always refer to which administration was in the office when that kind of information or achievement is made public, and that administration would most likely always get the credit for it..... and that is precisely how voters think and believe, and you should know this but you are deliberately being ignorant or disingenuous, which you so often do on here.... if anyone remembers any significant occurance in any country, at any given time, they almost alway refer to which administration was in office when it happend... so stop thinking so imaturish.

Be honest if this happened the other way round and people were given Biden the credit for a investigation by the intendent DOJ that mostly occurred before he was President and republicans brought up those points, would you not be claiming those people were either ill informed or making misleading statements

You often make so many assumptions about a lot of posters on this forum without actually asking the very direct questions to get a response.....you do it so many times.

Regarding your question though, dependent on the circumstances, or merits of whatever happend, I don't know how I would respond, so give me a specific example

Well, Pelosi admitted it was her fault.... so go figure.

Go figure?...at the end of the day the Speaker of the House was not and never has been responsible for security on the capital on inauguration day. No if or buts, that's 100% a fact. You know well at this point her comments were more a reflection of a broader sense of institutional failure that those responsible for security didn't anticipate the scale of the attack rather than an admission of guilt.

The verbal affirmative that it actually happened from the owner of the company is good enough for me in this specific instance.

Okay if that's good enough for you, that's good enough for you. People have different standards.

Neither is ignorance

Ignorance like the time you said no corruption cases similar to the DOJ investigation into health care fraud came to light during the Biden administration, only for that statement to be disproven in about 5 seconds worth of goggle searching?

The wood for the trees

Another non answer.

I am entitled to my opinion of Joe Biden, just like you are entitled to making up all these various wild theories in the past that many posters have taken up with you, because you have not been able to produce a single bit of evidence to support your claims....it is just your own personal opinion .... so if the pot ever called the kettle black, it's right here with you, because you have always had the tendency of doing that, and multiple posters in the past here have challenged you on this.

No one said your not entitled to your opinion, but this is a discussion forum hence people are also free to challenge other peoples opinions. What wild claims did I make up. Did I say January 6th was a PSI OPS, did I say the 2020 election was rigged, have I claimed the democrats were behind the murder and murder of attempted democrats, have I claimed covid was a scam, have I claimed climate scientists have a vested interest in pushing anthropogenic climate change to ensure research funding. I mean I'm sure at times I have claimed things that are merely my opinion that can't be proven one way or another but I'm far from the only one and my claims would be relatively grounded compared to some of the insanity some other users have posted here. What's the wildest thing I have claimed without evidence?

You know exactly what I mean, but if you want to understand my overall blanket statement like a 5 year old would interpret it, then go ahead, but it's childish.

Yes I know exactly you mean. You want the big guy to get credit when it's your big guy as that's when it suits you political view point and you want your big guy not to take the blame when it suits you political viewpoint.

Newsom was responsible for controlling the riots in LA, and when he did absolutely SFA, for a very long time, given what was happening, Trump correctly stepped in, as he should have, and got everything under control with the national guard....but of course you know this..... you just refuse to accept it. Now if Trump had just stood by and let that carnage in LA continue for another two weeks, who do you think would be torn to pieces in the media..... Trump, not Newsom, and again, you know this,

Amazing the Trump narrative is just accepted with zero critical thinking. In reality what happened was there was both peaceful protests against the ICE raids of about 1,000-1,500 people and violent rioting by about 1,000 people. To put this into perspective. LA city has a population of 4.17 million or if you want to use the greater metro area 12.68 million, while California has a population just shy of 40 million.

The violent rioting was confined to a 5 block radius of Downtown LA which amounted to about 1 square mile, a few isolated incidents in Paramount and Compton as well as protesters using dangerous methods to block sections of the 101 Freeway. A curfew was implemented that covered less than 8 square miles of LA. To put that into perspective, LA country has 44,000 blocks, LA city is 469 square miles, the great LA area is 2,281 miles squared while California is 163,696 miles squared.

Now not to downplay the rioting is was still significant and the police in LA acknowledged the struggled to deal the scale of the riots and protests are first, but they were adamant the would get things under control by themselves and that the National Guard was not needed. The protests were no were near the scale that justified calling in the national guard or no were near the scale the right wing media was portraying it.

The national guard when Trump sent it in up did almost next to nothing. They guarded a few buildings that never came under threat, and detained a small number of protesters before handing them over to the police.

The riots largely came to an end by the enactment of the curfew, the arrest of 575+ people by LADP and other federal law enforcement agencies as well as a switch to peaceful and quite large (30,000+) protests and media attention faded away.

Now I'm going to state my opinion here before you get your panties in a twist. I think it was an absolutely brilliant and completely cynical piece of political opportunism from Trump to send in the national guard a move that that he could spin as a win no matter how it played out. If the riots/protest petered out, he and his supporters would claim it's because he sent in the National Guard, that's what happened and here you are clapping like a well trained seal. If the deployment triggered an escalation and violence, he would claim the LA was completely lawless and that Newsom was responsible for the lawlessness or for loosing control and that his decision to send in the National Guard was completely justified to combat the violent rioters. Either way the riot was never going to last for ever and however it ended he would claim a win.

but you will just respond by saying, well, if it wasn't for Trump, none of it would have happened to begin with and they would just unfortunately still have those illegal criminals roaming their streets, that's how you roll.

Well I think one could make a strong argument that Trump's policies played a role in triggering rioters/violence and while I don't support Trump's policy that doesn't excuse the rioters, they should be persecuted to the full extend of the law. I have no objection with deporting illegal criminals but I would like it done in a way that complies with due process, human rights and human decency. But that's a story for another day.

More unfounded assumptions from you, which as I referred to earlier, you really enjoy doing all the time.........you are probably correct, but you have no way of knowing this, so stop stating it as fact.

What are you suggesting here had Kamela won she would of stepped in and said stop this investigation?

Probably correct, more like 99% probably correct. If I have no way of knowing this, how would you have anyway of knowing if Trump had any involvement in this investigation?

Absolute rubbish, whether it is good or bad, people will always refer to which administration was in the office when that kind of information or achievement is made public, and that administration would most likely always get the credit for it..... and that is precisely how voters think and believe, and you should know this but you are deliberately being ignorant or disingenuous, which you so often do on here.... if anyone remembers any significant occurance in any country, at any given time, they almost alway refer to which administration was in office when it happend... so stop thinking so imaturish.

So you go from the above (it's okay to assign credit to administration purely by dint of an event coinciding with an administrations term in office) too...

Regarding your question though, dependent on the circumstances, or merits of whatever happend, I don't know how I would respond

to the above in two paragraphs (I'd have to see the specific details before deciding)

It's quite a simple question. Imagine I came along and posted here that Biden deserves credit for a DOJ investigation. You know for a fact that the DOJ is a department that conducts it's affairs independent of the office of the Presidency, you also know that most of the around 4/5ths of the investigation occurred before Biden became President. Do you think I would of been justified in assigning credit for the investigations results to Biden. Would you not claim I playing politics, claiming an unjustified win for my team?

Go figure?...at the end of the day the Speaker of the House was not and never has been responsible for security on the capital on inauguration day. No if or buts, that's 100% a fact. You know well at this point her comments were more a reflection of a broader sense of institutional failure that those responsible for security didn't anticipate the scale of the attack than an admission of guilt.

On video, straight after this happened, whilst in her vehicle driving away from the capitol building, Pelosi accepted blame for what happened on that day.... why, I don't know, in what shape or form did she blame herself, I also have no idea, and neither do you....but she did blame herself, so it is what it is.

I also know nothing "well" at this point and neither do you, so stop speaking for her, you know absolutely nothing about what she meant, and all I know is that she said she was to blame for what happend, but to what specifics, I have no idea.... simple really.

Okay if that's good enough for you, that's good enough for you. People have different standards.

Well, that's a lot better than assumptions which is what you excell at

Ignorance like the time you said no corruption cases similar to the DOJ investigation into health care fraud came to light during the Biden administration, only for that statement to be disproven in about 5 seconds worth of goggle searching?

Really.... so now you are resorting to full blown lies and dishonesty again......where and when did I say that no corruption cases similar to this DOJ investigation ever came to light under Biden..... I said I had not seen any and if I did, I would have given Biden credit for it..... but I didn't, so I didn't......stop bulshitting as usual.

What wild claims did I make up

Claims, assumptions, they are all the same.... and you always do it with absolutely zero evidence to back it up.

If the riots/protest petered out, he and his supporters would claim it's because he sent in the National Guard, that's what happened and here you are clapping like a well trained seal. If the deployment triggered an escalation and violence, he would claim the LA was completely lawless and that Newsom was responsible for the lawlessness or for loosing control and that his decision to send in the National Guard was completely justified to combat the violent rioters. Either way the riot was never going to last for ever and however it ended he would claim a win.

As I said, just look at all these assumptions from you, in one piece.... about why Trump did what he did and what Trump would do if things went wrong..... all complete and utter unfounded bullshit .... again.

So you go from the above (it's okay to assign credit to administration purely by dint of an event coinciding with a administrations term in office) too...

That's the real world, live with it

It's quite a simply question. Imagine I came along and posted here that Biden deserves credit for a DOJ investigation. You know for a fact that the DOJ is a department that conducts it's affairs independent of the office of the Presidency, you also know that most of the around 4/5ths of the investigation occurred before Biden became President. Do you think I would of been justified in assigning credit for the investigations results to Biden.

The credit would have to go to the predecessor, but the history books would say that it happened under Biden's term and that he could have contributed to it, and this is what I keep saying...... yes it's unfair, life is unfair, but I reckon 90% of the people would know that it happened under a certain administration and not under a certain person.

For instance, the 911 attack is almost always referred to as something that happened under Bush's administration and not when George Tenet was the Director of the CIA or when Condoleeza Rice was the National security advisor, or even when Dick Cheney was vice president..... people don't remember those specifics, they remember who was commander in chief, or whose administration was in offiice but you know exactly what I am getting at, you are just spinning words.

Okay if that's good enough for you, that's good enough for you. People have different standards.

Incredible…..the man who thinks there is nothing wrong with benefitting from being a tax haven continues to put himself on a pedestal.

Ireland’s biggest accomplishment is the cadre of expats who left mediocrity and made their contributions in America and elsewhere. It remains a small sanctimonious country of no consequence in the bigger scheme of things.

As for it’s history of standards, blowing up horses and assassinating old men, the less said the better.

On video, straight after this happened, whilst in her vehicle driving away from the capitol building, Pelosi accepted blame for what happened on that day.... why, I don't know, in what shape or form did she blame herself, I also have no idea, and neither do you....but she did blame herself, so it is what it is.

Lets ask Co-Pilot.

When Pelosi said she was responsible on January 6th 2021, what was the context?

The context behind Nancy Pelosi saying she "takes responsibility" on January 6, 2021, has been widely misrepresented in some political circles and on social media. Here's what actually happened:

??? What Pelosi Said

In newly released behind-the-scenes footage filmed by her daughter, Pelosi is seen in a car after being evacuated from the Capitol. She expresses frustration over the lack of preparedness for the attack and says:

“We have responsibility, Terri. We did not have any accountability for what was going on there, and we should have... I take responsibility for not having them just prepare for more.”

This comment was about Capitol security preparedness, not about failing to deploy the National Guard.

?? Key Context

1. Pelosi did not have authority to deploy the National Guard. That power lies solely with the President, Secretary of Defense, and Secretary of the Army.
2. Pelosi approved a request from the House Sergeant-at-Arms to seek National Guard support on January 6, but the Guard's deployment was delayed by the Pentagon.
3. The footage shows Pelosi and Senate Leader Chuck Schumer actively pressing federal officials to deploy the Guard during the attack.

?? Misinterpretation and Political Spin

1. Some Republican lawmakers and commentators have used the clip to claim Pelosi admitted fault for the National Guard not being present. However, fact-checkers have clarified that this is a cherry-picked, out-of-context interpretation.
2. Pelosi’s spokesperson emphasized that the Speaker of the House is not in charge of Capitol security operations and that the full footage shows her urgently working to secure the Capitol.

So, Pelosi’s statement was an acknowledgment of institutional failure to anticipate the scale of the threat, not an admission of personal culpability for the Guard’s absence.

I also know nothing "well" at this point and neither do you, so stop speaking for her, you know absolutely nothing about what she meant, and all I know is that she said she was to blame for what happend, but to what specifics, I have no idea.... simple really.

Well here is the thing I do know what she meant because she provided comments on the misrepresentation.

"Former President Donald Trump and his toadies do not want to face the facts. They’re trying to do revisionist history."

And her spokesperson.

“Cherry-picked, out-of-context clips do not change the fact that the Speaker of the House is not in charge of the security of the Capitol Complex — on January 6th or any other day of the week”.

The completely rejected the right wing narrative that it was a confession to wider culpability for security failures on the day.

Well, that's a lot better than assumptions which is what you excell at

Have you considered taking up professional dodge ball, I reckong with all the ducking and diving you would be quite good at it.

Really.... so now you are resorting to full blown lies and dishonesty again......where and when did I say that no corruption cases similar to this DOJ investigation ever came to light under Biden..... I said I had not seen any and if I did, I would have given Biden credit for it..... but I didn't, so I didn't......stop bulshitting as usual.

Sorry that was poorly worded be me I should have said have said when you claimed you would given Biden credit for large anti fraud cases had they come to light during his administration is a clear indication you were ignorant to the fact they did. Wasn't intentional on my part, slips happen.

Claims, assumptions, they are all the same.... and you always do it with absolutely zero evidence to back it up.

Another non answer.

As I said, just look at all these assumptions from you, in one piece.... about why Trump did what he did and what Trump would do if things went wrong..... all complete and utter unfounded bullshit .... again

Did I not clearly state that was my opinion.

he credit would have to go to the predecessor, but the history books would say that it happened under Biden's term and that he could have contributed to it, and this is what I keep saying...... yes it's unfair, life is unfair, but I reckon 90% of the people would know that it happened under a certain administration and not under a certain person.

Forinstance, the 911 attack is almost always referred to as something that happened under Bush's administration and not when George Tenet was the Director of the CIA or when Condoleeza Rice was the National security advisor, or even when Dick Cheney was vice president..... people don't remember those specifics, they remember who was commander in chief, or whose administration was in offiice but you know exactly what I am getting at, you are just spinning words.

One slight problem with this comparison, Bush wasn't blamed for 9/11 at least not widely and absolutely not in the immediate aftermath of the attack. His popularity went up after 9/11. There was a shift later that put more blame on to him but according to polling in 2006 an almost similar % of people assigned blame onto the Clinton administration as they did to the Bush administration.

I don't like chess, especially not pigeon chess...don't have the patience required...

I should have said have said when you claimed you would given Biden credit for large anti fraud cases had they come to light during his administration is a clear indication you were ignorant to the fact they did. Wasn't intentional on my part, slips happen.

You clearly also did not know about this anti fraud case happening under Biden, until you did your own "5 second" Google check.

Unless you want us all to really believe that you always knew about this fact ....

Have you considered taking up professional dodge ball

Have you ever taken up professional Boxing..... because I reckon with all your ducking and swerving, along with all the regular knockouts that receive from your fellow posters here, you would be absolutely terrible at it.

"One slight problem with this comparison, Bush wasn't blamed for 9/11"

There you go again....... where did I ever say that Bush was to blame for 9/11?

I said that the 9/11 attack is often referred to as something that happened under the Bush administration.

Not sure why you keep on trying to spin my words into something I clearly did not say.

Well actually, no......... I am sure why you keep doing it.

You constantly come across as being deceitful or dishonest in your replies, which is why quite a few different posters on this forum have already called you out in the past for this repeat behaviour of yours....... it's so unecessary, because you actually debate well enough without having to do it, yet you still continue to always do it.

I said that people would remember or associate Bush with the 9/11 attack because it happened under his administration, whilst he was the president, and not when Tenet, Rice or Cheney were in their respective positions..... meaning that the the focus is almost always on who was the president at the time that something big or serious occurred..

Just like everyone remembers that when Watergate happened, it was when Nixon was the president, noboby ever remembers that Gerald Ford was the vice-president.

Does anyone remember that Al Gore was the vice president when the Clinton - Lewinsky scandal happened... no..... but they remember that it was when Clinton was president.

In 20 years time, will anyone remember who was involved with D.O.G.E ... like this youngster who went viral called "Mr Balls"...... no they won't, but they will definitely remember that it happened under Trump's administration.

And the reason why I am using all these examples for you.......?

Simple.....will anyone remember that this &14.6 billion fraud case was predominantly investigated under Biden..... no, they will remember that it was exposed under the Trump administration.

You clearly also did not know about this anti fraud case happening under Biden, until you did your own "5 second" Google check.

Unless you want us all to really believe that you always knew about this fact ....

Never said I did...I merely responding to your point "Well, if I saw more of this large scale fraud and corruption being outed and publicised under Biden's administration, I would have given him credit... but I didn't, so I won't.....simple...." which tell me you didn't bother to check before post or your news diet is one sided.

Have you ever taken up professional Boxing..... because I reckon with all your ducking and swerving, along with all the regular knockouts that receive from your fellow posters here, you would be absolutely terrible at it

There you go again....... where did I ever say that Bush was to blame for 9/11?

I said that the 9/11 attack is often referred to as something that happened under the Bush administration.

Not sure why you keep on trying to spin my words into something I clearly did not say.

Well actually, no......... I am sure why you keep doing it.

You constantly come across as being deceitful or dishonest in your replies, which is why quite a few different posters on this forum have already called you out in the past for this repeat behaviour of yours....... it's so unecessary, because you actually debate well enough without having to do it, yet you still continue to always do it.

And around in circles we go. Semantics. When you associate a Presidency or administration with an event, then your either giving them credit of blame for it. 9/11 was not a good thing for America by so by associating it with the Bush administration you are assigning blame to them, wouldn't it be odd then that the Bush administration got the blame but Bush himself did not.

Just like everyone remembers that when Watergate happened, it was when Nixon was the president, noboby ever remembers that Gerald Ford was the vice-president.

Does anyone remember that Al Gore was the vice president when the Clinton - Lewinsky scandal happened... no..... but they remember that it was when Clinton was president.

In 20 years time, will anyone remember who was involved with D.O.G.E ... like this youngster who went viral called "Mr Balls"...... no they won't, but they will definitely remember that it happened under Trump's administration.

You do understand that those 3 events, Watergate, Monica Lewinsky scandal and the creation of D.O.G.E were events directly linked to the President. As in one of them would have happened without him, therefore they absolutely do deserve to either blamed or credited to the then President.

For the umpteenth time, this DOJ investigation into medicare fraud had nothing to do with Trump or Biden.

Simple.....will anyone remember that this &14.6 billion fraud case was predominantly investigated under Biden..... no, they will remember that it was exposed under the Trump administration.

It's not an event that will be remembered long term in any great detail, it's in the grand scheme of things not that big event and if it's remember it will most likely just remembered on it's own as the $14 billion health/medicare fraud, in the same way that FTX fraud case is just known as the FTX fraud case, not the Biden administration/era FTX cause. Enron and Bernie Madoff fraud cases...I was aware of them but I had to go look up the years the cases were brought to court, couldn't remember which Presidency they occurred under.

At the end of the day your playing politics' here. As Trump supporters tend to do you assumed Trump was responsible for something he wasn't and you effectively admitted later on that I was right when I pointed it out he wasn't (when you said I'm probably correct) but you want to say well it's okay to assign credit incorrectly as people have a generalisation of assigning credit to the coinciding Presidency rather than admit your mistake. I'm also pretty sure that if people on the other side were also playing politics by trying to give credit to with Biden or Obama by linking them to what is perceived as a positive event that occurred during their administrations but when looked at closely had nothing really to do with them you would have no issue with some on the other side saying hang on a minute that happened nothing to do with you.

For example, Biden claimed credit for the strength of the stock market at the end of his term (not an uncommon claim from President's) but as several of the posters here including myself have pointed out, in general the President doesn't really have much direct influence over the stock market. I don't care if President's do get the credit of the blame for the stock market performances in general, it's typically not an accurate assessment.

Never said I did...I merely responding to your point "Well, if I saw more of this large scale fraud and corruption being outed and publicised under Biden's administration, I would have given him credit... but I didn't, so I won't.....simple...." which tell me you didn't bother to check before post or your news diet is one sided.

Not one sided at all, I just don't see many things positive about what Biden achieved during his term, and I still don't, especially things that I myself consider positive......besides what you posted, which you specifically went looking for, which happened a while ago.....so if it was reported back then, great, but I didn't see it, and I am not going to go looking for information on Biden, Harris or Trump or anyone else unless I am debating a specific point. I made that post because it is current news, simple, and we could both post good and bad things about anyone right now, if we went looking for it, but that was never the point....so well done on your 5 second Google search.

And around in circles we go. Semantics. When you associate a Presidency or administration with an event, then your either giving them credit of blame for it. 9/11 was not a good thing for America by so by associating it with the Bush administration you are assigning blame to them, wouldn't it be odd then that the Bush administration got the blame but Bush himself did not.

More bullshit and assumptions from you again.... because if I wanted to do that, then why did I specifically include Cheney, Rice and Tenet in my original point...... I did that on purpose to prove that nobody cares about who was in office in which roles when something good or bad happens to the country, they usually always refer to who was the president when that specific incident did happen, and that in no way infers blame.... just under whose administration it happened under......

Your way of thinking is like blaming Clinton's entire administration for him getting a blowjob in the oval office....what rubbish.

You do understand that those 3 events, Watergate, Monica Lewinsky scandal and the creation of D.O.G.E were events directly linked to the President

You do reallize that even if they were not linked, they would still be referred to as happening under any of their respective administrations, which is exactly my point.

For the umpteenth time, this DOJ investigation into medicare fraud had nothing to do with Trump or Biden.

For the umpteenth time.... in 20 years time, it will be said that this investigation and release of fraudulent activities and other medicaid information happened when Trump was president..... get it...

"when you said I'm probably correct"

Yeah, I just don't state it as facts like you do...... you "could" have been correct.... I never said you were..... whereas you always ... and I mean alway.... do the opposite.

I am not going to go looking for information on Biden, Harris or Trump or anyone else unless I am debating a specific point

And there be your problem. Before you said "Well, if I saw more of this large scale fraud and corruption being outed and publicised under Biden's administration, I would have given him credit... but I didn't, so I won't.....simple...." did it ever cross your mind well maybe I better check first if such an event had actually occurred before making that comment and then later going on to accuse someone else of being ignorant?

More bullshit and assumptions from you again.... because if I wanted to do that, then why did I specifically include Cheney, Rice and Tenet in my original point...... I did that on purpose to prove that nobody cares about who was in office in which roles when something good or bad happens to the country, they usually always refer to who was the president when that specific incident did happen, and that in no way infers blame.... just under whose administration it happened under......

Your way of thinking is like blaming Clinton's entire administration for him getting a blowjob in the oval office....what rubbish.

I understand your point, people have a habit of giving credit to a President or a President administration credit for things that happened during my administration. My point is I don't give a shit if they do, its still wrong to do so if the event is not linked to the President or his administration. You're basically arguing I know I'm wrong but it's okay to be wrong if enough other people are wrong too.

You do reallize that even if they were not linked, they would still be referred to as happening under any of their respective administrations, which is exactly my point.

Do you any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

Watergate is associated with the Nixon administration because the events that occurred are so explicitly linked to the actions of the administration of the day. Absolutely event's that directly involve the administration will be linked back to them.

Regarding the Lewinksy scandal, the event was never linked to the Clinton admiration in the way you refer to...it was the actions of a single man in regards his sexual gratification, it had nothing to do with anyone else in the Clinton administration or it's policies, the event is linked with Clinton himself not the administration. When people think back to that event, they think Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton not the Clinton administration. Unless you have evidence that multiple people in his cabinet were also getting blowjobs?

And as for D.O.G.E, well here's the thing it cannot be unlinked from the specific presidency of Trump because if Trump did not win the 2025 election there would have never have been a D.O.G.E.. D.O.G.E is a direct result of the actions of the administration.

One last time the DOJ conduct investigation's be into fraud or whatever suspected criminal activity on their own. It's their mandate, their not told directly to do it by the Presidency or his administration. The investigation would have 99% likely occurred regardless of who was President when it was started.

At best you could argue when it comes to the DOJ, that the Presidency influences it by appointing it's head and they having say picked them on the grounds that they are going focus on something specific while in the DOJ that the President wanted them to focus on, say such as fraud. Now say at the end of a Presidents term or even slightly afterwards where cases that were started under his pick for the head of the DOJ ran into his successors term, if you could point to a higher number of fraud cases being investigated and prosecuted, then you could assign the Presidency credit for the direction giving (though you could then have another debate about whether that was the best use of the DOJ's time, should they be focusing on other things, like organised crime or terrorism etc). But we are years away from making that determination at the moment.

For the umpteenth time.... in 20 years time, it will be said that this investigation and release of fraudulent activities and other medicaid information happened when Trump was president..... get it...

Well in 20 years this specific fraud case will likely be a footnote referred to on its own. Even if it said to have occurred under the Trump presidency that doesn't mean Trump is entitled to any credit.

Yeah, I just don't state it as facts like you do...... you "could" have been correct.... I never said you were..... whereas you always ... and I mean alway.... do the opposite.

I always do the opposite do I?. Just like when I stated something on this thread that I clearly labelled my opinion.

"did it ever cross your mind well maybe I better check first if such an event had actually occurred before making that comment and then later going on to accuse someone else of being ignorant?

I most certainly would, if I could believe anything at all about Joe Biden, which I have already said so many times already on this forum before, that I don't, and that I never will...so I won't, which is precisely the reason why I would never bother to look for any of that kind of information about or involving Joe Biden.

I have had this opinion on Biden for many years now, and I have repeated this opinion many many times over the years on this very forum, so it's not going to change anytime soon, because he is as corrupt and dishonest as they come, in all areas of his own personal life and his long professional career..... and as I have stated before, the most corrupt person to ever sit in the oval office...so no, I don't and won't ever research anything that Joe Biden has supposedly done well or apparently been involved in, and if I saw something, I woudn't believe it anyway, and that it not an opinion that just happend this week, or last year .....and my history of posts on here regarding my distaste and distrust of Biden will clearly support this stance.

I understand your point, people have a habit of giving credit to a President or a President administration credit for things that happened during my administration. My point is I don't give a shit if they do, its still wrong to do so if the event is not linked to the President or his administration

You need to start being a grown up here..... because that will never ever change the fact that it has happened many times before and it will still continue to happen many times going forward... which was precisely my whole point on this specific issue.

Reagan got credit for the economic boom back in the 1980's, yet Paul Volcker, who was appointed by Jimmy Carter had already brought inflation back in line by sharply rising the interest rates in the late 70's, causing a recession that basically set the stage for a recovery .... so unfair.

Trump apparently inherited a low unemployment and steady growth economy from Obama, who oversaw the recovery from that horrible and shitty 2008 crisis.... and the 2017 tax cuts initially boosted markets but the growth was already there from Obama.... but a lot of people credited Trump .... very bad.

Obama also benefitted with all the intelligence and even the controversial interrogation techniques that were introduced and used under the Bush administration which laid the groundwork for catching Osama Bin Laden on "Obama's" watch and not Bush's....... just not fair.

Trump get's the benefit of defeating ISIS... which I actually agree with, yet a lot of the military training and the coalition strategy was actually done under Obama...... yet who was mainly creditted with ending ISIS.... Trump..... so unfair.

Lyndon B Johnson got so much credit for the signing of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, yet most of the legislative push actually came from JFK's administration.... it's just so unfair.

In 2009, Obama was creditted with the Auto Industry rescue, yet the TARP program funding was passed under the Bush administration in 2008 already...... Oh no.... again, unfair.

My point is, I used some pretty average off the cuff random examples before, but there are so many more meaningful examples I could give, like these ones here.....

Credit always has and always will be misdirected, either in a good way or a bad way.... intentional or not.....and that is the reality of life and that is the reality of politics.

I always do the opposite do I?. Just like when I stated something on this thread that I clearly labelled my opinion.

Well, I'm not the one who has been asked a few times already to be a bit more honest on this forum, by multiple posters.....

There are twop facts Stav ignores totally. Trump phoned Pelosi three days bfore thee January 6 meetings and offered to deplay the National Guard. He also instrcted Milley t send in the narional geard to protect the capital. The crooked Pelosi ignored the ofer and MIlley committed hiogh treqson by senfding the troops in to protect the Lincoln memorial aand not the Capito as instructed.

The BS started right there. Trump in his speech said he cannot prevent any demonmstation - but in his recorded speech said something very clearly - he sai he cannpt prvevent followers to demonstate at the Capitol - bit told them to nopt do anything unlawful since that is the preserve and cnduct of the Democrats demonstated in te riots in the US cities in the previous 6 months.

Why are you giving Trump credit for the DOJ's work?

The DOJ was a most controversial appointee nominated by Trump and associated with that appointment went the FBI Director. The Democrats went into panic mode - pissed themselves - when they considered the appointment of Bondi and Patel in the two positions because they would act against political and bureaucratic corruption - something Garland and Wray refused to act on.political corruption together with their bureaucratic partners in crime.

Biden preceeded that by "pardoning" his whole family, the members of the Pelosi Kangaroo Court appointments and Milley from and a string of other corrupt crooks from being prosecuted in future for thei actions in the period 1 December 2014 though to 1 December 2024. That was the period where corruption - started in Ukraine - took over the Democratic Party,

Well - Bondi was eventually approved - and in the first major case the ex-head of the Navy was charged and found guilty of getting contracts worth $500 000 a year after his retirement, He was the first case where it happened - but the list of politicals and bureaucrats under investigation is begining to take shape. Musk send in experts to investigate the rot through evaluation of various Departments and the present cases are just one of many court cases to follow.

The probem is that the Democrats and their news media sidekicks do not want to stop the Ukraine War - and Zelensky wants the war to continue since in the case of a peace settlement he and his cronies would end up in jail for stealing money donated by the USA to Ukraine since 2014 Putin is not reacting to insistence for peace in Ukaine and will not until the USA blocked the Russian harbours from exporting produce to countie breaching the boicots of Russian exports and then he will agree to a reasoable settlment. That is bound to happen - in the meantime armaments

So wait till they get to the real criminals - both political and bureaucratic for further action. That effort of Comey to promote assassination of Trump indicates how really the Democrats and their bureaucratic partners are becoming in this case. The corrupt amongst the Democrats and some Republican politicians together with their bireucrat sidekicks are going to land many culprits in jail in over the next 18 months ,

By the way the "criminal charges" against Trump was indeed happening on the instructions of Biden - or whomsoever ran the WH during his presidency and in the end Biden himself raved against Garland for delaying the fake charge against Trump being laid.

What happened in the case of the January 6 arrestees was based entirely on KGB practices under Stalin. The 1 600 arrestees were told they would be hed in jail indefinitely if they do not sign "Admnission of Guilt" forms concocted by the Justice Department - removing the need to present real evidence in the court cases against detainees, In the end 400 prisoners refused to sign the fake admission of guilt forms and was still in jail when Trump took over the Presidency. In the case of a decision by the Supreme Court - who had all the reale vidence at their disposal said the charges laid aginst all the attendees were fake charges and should be dealt with as "trespassing cases" and the admission of guilt forms was also totally unacceptable from a judicial point of view,, That decision was given in December 2024 - but was never implemented by teh Justice Department and became uncessary since Trum[p pardone the people still n jail and had the previous sentences based on ffake admission of guilt forms eliminated from their records. The matter o clainms against the Govenment based on Government criminality under Biden is going on and the first claim of the woman murdered by the Washington policeman - pardoned by Biden - is proceeding, The family of the murdered woman ha been paid $5,7 million in compensation.

Other claims related to January 6 will also end up in settlements that will cost the US taxpayers hundreds of millions in compansation is on the way and where settlements are not trched ill end up in courts,

Better stop compaliaing aboiut te BS relaed to January 6 and looked at wat is ahppening in the legal feld as to real crimes and not concocted ones.

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