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How stable in Governance in EU countries?

Started by clevermike13 REPLIES394 VIEWS· 03 Jun 2023, 09:14
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jun 2023, 09:14
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03 Jun 2023, 09:14#1

The War in Ukraine coupled to unrealistic approach to Global Warming has had serious financial consequences and poorer living conditions for ordinary people in Europe and the gap between Governments and the people they are supposed to serve are causing political havoc in most countries who are members of the EU.   Most countries encounter serious inflation problems and no thinking people wants to be involved in manufactured war with Russia where EU Governments wanted peaceful solution of the war situation through negotiations and for instance Germany and France was in volved in such negotiations.             

Lets refer to a few examples of countries where leftist Governments claims they are center-left and losing support by the voters.  There are numerous examples of what is really going on so lets look at a few of those:-

Sweden and Italy

In both countries the leftist Governments lost the elections during the past six months and were succeeded by center right and more conservative Governments.   In the case of Italy the new Prime Minster is accused by the leftists of being ultra-right due to her insistence that the interests of the people of Italy is a priority and must be protected in terms  of the Constitution of Italy at all times.   

Austria

The leftist Government fell apart and was replaced by the center-right coalition that was governing Austria before the latest election.   The previous leftist Government lost heavily in local elections and they could not survive that ordeal. 

The Netherlands     

The Netherlands is the biggest exporter of cheese in the world.   Since cows is affecting G lobal Warming the Dttch Government took steps to reduce the number of cows on farms and in the case of farms in some areas in the Netherlands cow-farming was effectively prohibited.    The country is also suffering from inflation and the people of the Netherlands are suffering badly from a liberal coalition Government.   So in recent regional elections the support base of the left-center Government collapsed and the government is bound to fall in the next General election.

France   

In the last Presidential election in France Macron won the presidential election with a vastly reduced majority.   However, his Party lost the Parliamentary election and cannot get legislation passed without compromise with the majority of members of the major parties in Parliament.    The French economy is in serious decline and Macron tries to improve the situation by increasing the retirement age of workers from 62 years to 65 years with inflation having a massive impact on the ordinary people in France.   Continuous protests are the norm in France with hundreds of thousands of voters involved and the next General election would be a disaster for the present French Government.

Germany

Misgovernance and involvement of Germany in the Ukraine War support is raising the fear of a  war against Russia,  Be it as it may the latest opinion polls are bad news for the present ultra-leftist Government established after the latest parliamentary elections in Germany,   The leftist SDF got 25,2% of the vote and is now the majority party in the Governing  coalition, with the ultra-leftist Greens (14,8%)  and the centrist FDP (11,2%) of the vote in the past federal election.     

In the latest opinion polls the SDF will get 18% of the vote in a federal election - with the Greens and their ultra-left anti economic development agenda showing a similar percentage drop in the vote and the FDP also going down in popularity badly as well.   The SDFwas hesitating in supplying arms to the regime in Ukraine and was blackmailed  by the Greens into arms supply to Ukraine.   The present coalition is grossly unpopular in Germany - especially the Greens with their support of the warmongers in the USA - ad the FDP selling out their pro-business policies in total in their alliance with he anti-business Greens.

So where are we no in the federal opinion polls?   The SDF support is down to 18% with simlar drops in the support of the Greens and the FDP.   The Merkel Party shows a slight increase in support  - but the Afd Conservatives increasing their support from  10,2% to 18%.   The Party is more conservative than the  Merkel Party and for that reason is made out to be neo-Nazi - which it is not.   Be it as it may the left is declining rapidly and the conservatives increasing rapidly.  The preset coalition is doomed and will lose their power in 3 Federal States in Germany this year,  

                   

                                 

              

    

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
03 Jun 2023, 09:41
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03 Jun 2023, 09:41#2
 Most countries encounter serious inflation problems and no thinking people wants to be involved in manufactured war with Russia where EU Governments wanted peaceful solution of the war situation through negotiations and for instance Germany and France was in volved in such negotiations.
In reality the majority of EU citizens support their governments assistance to Ukraine and Ukraine's right to defend itself. The majority also are of the view that Russia is entirely to blame for this war. Calling this war manufactured is just about the level of rubbish I'd expect from you Mike.
Mike you are so far away from even remotely understanding what democracy and normal political systems and parties its hard to fathom how you ended up the way you.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Jun 2023, 10:46
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03 Jun 2023, 10:46#3

Great post Mike. The anti war sentiment in Europe is rising. Protests all over the place. 

The Globalist left is in sharp dr line. As they are everywhere. 

European voters are realizing they are being governed by Washington and the blowing up of the Nord 2 pipeline awakened many to the fact that the illigitimate Biden Regime is not their friend.

Many are also now realizing that this is a US proxy war instigated by US led Nato.

The nail in the coffin will be the devastating defeat looming for Zelensky and Nato.

The scandalous anti democratic corrupt NAZI nature of the Zelensky Regime is also becoming widely know as is the 2014 colour revolution.

Everyone also knows Nato expanded eastwards despite pledges not to, Russia has not expanded Westwards

The whole war is a money laundering process and a financial bonanza for the military industrial complex. It's also part of the Globalists war on energy and food and contributes to their depopulization progra mme.

STAVASS is incredibly ignorant about so many things. The clown doesn't even know his home country is being invaded. If of course the loon is Irish.

Also remember this jackass is all in favour of the deadly climate change agenda. The buffoon will march over the cliff sprouting his drivel about climate change. In his case the term useless eater is well earned hahahahahahaha. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jun 2023, 13:04
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03 Jun 2023, 13:04#4

Stav

I think it is clear from recent elections that leftist leaning Governments are losing in the countries in elections I mentioned clearly,   I do not think that the EU countries are happy to be drawn into a war against Russia by the corrupt elite in Washington.   Do they actually support assistance to Ukraine while their economic situation is floundering and inflation destroying  the livelihoods of ordinary people?    What other reasons for the unhappiness of the general population with present Governments do you think are there?   

What is clear is that the people of Europe are unhappy with their Governments and there may be other factors why support for leftist Governments are declining.    The problem can also be attributed to the present conduct of the EU.   

Why are the French and Governments involved in separate negotiations with the Chinese Government - where they were told clearly that the USA is warmongering and can cause untold damage to humanity.      

Stav - I am not just floundering about on critical issues and do not fall for the media brainwashing campaigns.   

              


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Jun 2023, 13:36
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03 Jun 2023, 13:36#5

What StavAss also needs to know is that because of conservstive gains Socialist Spanish PM is moving the elections foward from December to June I think it was. Obviously he knows where the trend line is going.

The whole of Europe is in a mess. Russia doing much better. 

Open borders is destroying Europe and people don't like that or the dismal economies. 

Only the most obscene daft war mongering moron would want a completely unnecessary war with Russia.



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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
05 Jun 2023, 11:00
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05 Jun 2023, 11:00#6

How funny. Liberals hiding their own achievements.

How stable. If anything to be taught from recent times, very stable. By far the most stable in human history, growingly immune to any effort to be overthrown (not yet the case)

While liberals love to claim that their system, their organization is fragile, vulnerable, that it must be protected, the daily events point at the opposite.

It is extremelly resilient and enduring.

Statistically, a liberal society works for around 30 per cent of the population to de degraded when going downwards. Additionally, liberal societies demand the  existence of another type of population, a subpopulation, a subhumanity without which they could not work.

Causes for unstability are either internal or external.

On the internal side, liberal societies are proven supreme, recent shows that even causes that could rally 70 to 80 pc cent of a population are dealt with supremacy.

On the external side, that is a foreign influence (a part liberal societies enjoy playing) no foreign countries have dared to press an advantage (the case of China is very telling as China over the past have quite often favoured liberal countries' best interests over its own) Russia had a determined attempt and they were quickly negated (for example, Russia had tried to develop their own version of the free press and in many countries, it was censored and banned)

How stable. Very stable.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
05 Jun 2023, 13:16
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05 Jun 2023, 13:16#7

  I do not think that the EU countries are happy to be drawn into a war against Russia by the corrupt elite in Washington.

They are not happy about the war that Russia started and feel obligated to help Ukraine. The majority of European's live in reality Mike not your conspiracy world of nonsense. Its absolutely farcical to lay the lay the blame on this war at Washington's door. 

  Do they actually support assistance to Ukraine while their economic situation is floundering and inflation destroying  the livelihoods of ordinary people?

Yes for now they do. Just look up the polling. Yes many people across Europe are displeased with their governments several of which are left wing though the opposite is true in the UK. There is numerous factors behind this, but its mostly down to  the cost of living crisis. The war may be contributing to the difficulty European's are facing in their day to day lives but if you took the Ukraine war out of the picture, many of them would still be facing difficulty anyway.  The additional inflation and economic difficulty that Euopean's are facing becasue of the war, well European's quite correctl put the blame on Russia. Unlike you Mike or batshit insane Beeno, the majority see this war for what it is, blatant Russian aggression where its not in Europe's interest for Russia to win. If they endure some discomfort for now so be it.

Why are the French and Governments involved in separate negotiations with the Chinese Government - where they were told clearly that the USA is warmongering and can cause untold damage to humanity.      

Do you even believe the rubbish your typing. Russia invades Ukraine and China then goes and tells France and Germany that its because of American war mongering. 

Stav - I am not just floundering about on critical issues and do not fall for the media brainwashing campaigns.   

Your a text book example of brainwashed I'm afraid. Least your not as bad as Beeno.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Jun 2023, 14:20
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05 Jun 2023, 14:20#8

Stav

How am I brainwashed?   I do read a variety of papers and websites and make up my mind about issues.   You for instance read the Guardian and think what they publish is true and even place it on site.   That is what is called brainwashing.   I do not support some of the garbage written on site by beeno - and do not use religion in any way to explain what is happening in the world.    

I am actually sorry for people like you - you are being used to spread propaganda on site and the and you will be surprised if they implememt the agenda they really have and you found out that you are losing everything you hold dear.


                   

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
05 Jun 2023, 14:28
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05 Jun 2023, 14:28#9

So just out of interest  you putin lovers, let say Russia succeeds in conquering Ukrains then moves against another neighboring country will you still support him?

At what stage does the rest of the world step in, is it when he invades France, Germany,  Britain?

According to you lot you want Putin knocking on the door of number 10 downing st.

I suppose it would take him marching into Capetown before your happy.

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
05 Jun 2023, 14:28
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05 Jun 2023, 14:28#10

DumbMike's brain is lost, just like Beeno, Moonraker, and the other religious halfwits. 

Europe is not perfect, but it is one of the best places in the world. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Jun 2023, 14:38
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05 Jun 2023, 14:38#11

Mike and his fellow Clydesdale intellectuals have been wrong on every issue…..apartheid, the ANC and this new love of Russia. The rest of the world was regretfully dragged into the Ukranian war, just when recovering from Covid was the pressing issue. Attacking Ukraine was a totally voluntary decision by Russia. An irresponsible  increasingly an embarrassing one.

Nobody wanted this war except Russia.

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
05 Jun 2023, 15:43
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05 Jun 2023, 15:43#12

Russia knows that once alternative energy to oil and gas improves, they are an economic basket case. 
Like their friends in the Middle East - they are entirely dependent on natural resources that can be dug out of the ground.

No secondary and tertiary industry - and now they have lost much of their limited brain capacity to people leaving Russia to get away from dying for Putin in the army. 

They would likely outcome is that Russia will split into different countries over the next 10-20 years. It is an abomination in its current form. Look at the leader of Chechnya

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
06 Jun 2023, 12:26
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06 Jun 2023, 12:26#13

So just out of interest  you putin lovers, let say Russia succeeds in conquering Ukrains then moves against another neighboring country will you still support him?

That is relying on a hypothetical. Which is not the most probable outcome by far.

One could think that in certain cases, claiming the higher moral ground would be easy.

Liberals capability to muddy waters is such that well, despite all the wrongs in Putin, reservations must be emitted about liberal actions.

Qaddafi was a bad guy yet under his reign, there was no systemics of rape, slavery was no longer.

Nothing of this is hypothetical. It relies on no hypothetical.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
06 Jun 2023, 12:29
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06 Jun 2023, 12:29#14

Europe is not perfect, but it is one of the best places in the world.

Every place is the best for people who benefit from it.

By liberal own words, the measure of a society can not be done through people who benefit from it.

Kings were very happy with kingship.

At the moment, people from Europe find places like Qatar, Dubai and such very enjoyable, best places in the world to be.

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