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How Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dee gave Afghanistan to the Taliban

Started by Denny6 REPLIES4,120 VIEWS· 25 May 2022, 02:52
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
25 May 2022, 02:52
#1
25 May 2022, 02:52#1

The catastrophic collapse of the Afghan republic and the subsequent takeover of the country by a cabal of terrorists, drug runners and misogynists were direct consequences of decisions made by successive US presidents to deal directly with the Taliban and follow through on one-sided promises to withdraw military forces that were essential to the state’s survival.


That is the devastating conclusion of the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR), the US government’s main Afghanistan oversight body, in a report to two congressional committees.

Former president Donald Trump’s bilateral deal with the Taliban, and President Joe Biden’s decision to stick to it, caused the disintegration of Afghanistan’s security forces. Their collapse pushed senior members of the Afghan government, including President Ashraf Ghani and his national security adviser, Hamdullah Mohib, to flee the country as the Taliban entered Kabul on August 15, 2021, to complete its rout and claim victory.

SIGAR concluded that the flawed Trump-Taliban deal, signed on February 29, 2020, and Biden’s decision to follow through with its withdrawal conditions — despite the Taliban’s failure to honour its commitments, such as severing ties with al-Qaeda — destroyed the morale of the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF).

Afghanistan’s army, special forces, air force and militarised police were supported with almost $90 billion in US security assistance between 2002 and 2021. SIGAR says Afghans relied on US forces and, crucially, airstrikes, which gave the republic its only real battlefield edge against the Taliban. Trump agreed to withdraw not only US troops but the contractors who kept helicopters and fighter jets airborne.

The rapid drawdown compounded low salaries in the Afghan army that often were not paid; poor logistics, which meant food and ammunition didn’t arrive; corrupt leadership that skimmed off weapons and fuel, which often ended up in Taliban hands; and Ghani’s paranoia that the deal was a way to oust him. The end was inevitable.

The findings come in an interim report on the collapse of the ANDSF, as well as weaknesses in its development over two decades, for the US House Oversight and Reform and Armed Services committees; the full report is due to be delivered later this year. The conclusions so far dovetail with versions of events from many players in the Afghan government, including Mohib, the former Afghan national security adviser, who said the ANDSF’s collapse began in February 2020 with the Trump-Taliban deal.

Speaking this month at the Oxford Union, a debating society in Oxford, England, Mohib said the Trump deal and subsequent talks with insurgent leaders — many of whom are internationally sanctioned terrorists — had whitewashed the Taliban as a “government-in-waiting” by excluding the government supported by the Western alliance.

“The security forces fought bravely as far as they could, and then when it felt like it’s a losing battle, there was a morale decline, and they ended up having to stop,” Mohib said. “I think, as [in] any war, it’s important to know who the enemy is, and when that line … blurs, it becomes really difficult for any soldier to be able to continue to fight.”

The Biden administration blamed the Afghan army for the republic’s collapse; it lacked, as White House press secretary Jen Psaki said, “the political will to fight back”. SIGAR found that Afghan forces could not survive once the US backup that had allowed them to fend off a vicious insurgency for 20 years suddenly evaporated. Without that support, Afghan forces, and the citizen militias that fought alongside them, fled Taliban advances. Some provincial capitals “were captured with little or no fighting”, SIGAR noted in its report.

SIGAR identified six factors that contributed to the failure of Afghanistan’s defence and security forces, with the Trump and Biden decisions topping the list, followed by the loss of US air and other support. Other factors included Ghani’s frequent changes to ANDSF leadership and his appointment of loyalists to key positions; lack of a national security plan; the unsustainability of the ANDSF due to high casualties and attrition rates; and the Taliban’s exploitation of those weaknesses.

The presence of US forces had helped convince ANDSF troops that Kabul would continue to pay their salaries and, at least nominally, weed out corrupt officials. Likewise, as long as there was an American presence, the Afghan elite believed it was safe to stay. That confidence quickly ebbed as the Taliban’s legitimacy grew. Soon all players to Afghanistan’s conflict, from regional governments to domestic power brokers and neighbouring countries, began hedging their bets. Some ethnic warlords did deals directly with the Taliban leadership, sources said. Taliban leaders were feted in Moscow, Beijing, Tehran and Islamabad.

US concessions to the Taliban — including freeing thousands of Taliban prisoners for nothing in return and without consulting the government in Kabul — helped tip the scales against the republic’s survival.

“The international community, noting the shift in US policy, adjusted its posture accordingly,” wrote Ahmad Shuja Jamal, the former director-general for international relations on the Afghan National Security Council, now in exile, and William Maley, an expert on Afghanistan at the Australian National University.

“Both the US concessions and the international community’s changing disposition operated increasingly to the detriment of the Afghan state. The new US administration promised, but did not deliver, a course correction,” they concluded.

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It's conclusive, Donald Trump Laid the foundation for the collapse of Afghanistan, he was the architect for the failure of that government and army to stand strong against the Taliban. By conducting direct negotiations, cutting deals with the Taliban, and by by passing the Afghan government he pulled the rug from beneath their feet.




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 May 2022, 04:36
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25 May 2022, 04:36#2

Time for you to admit you were wrong about the Russia hoax Quisling.  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 May 2022, 09:27
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25 May 2022, 09:27#3

Denny 

This  type of media story is real BS in capital letters and is totally misleading.

Trump and the other allies like Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and the UK still involved in Afghanistan wanted to get out of that  country.     The idea between the allies was that a peace agreement should be negotiated between   the Afghan Government and the Taliban with strict conditions  to be met by the Taliban.\   Any breach of agreement would be severely punished

There were a number of agreements signed  Afghan Government and the Taliban,    One of those related to exchange of prisoners with the  two parties concerned deciding who should be exchanged.    The USA  had nothing to do with who should be released and who not - it was strictly between the then Afghan Government  and the Taliban.

The whole idea centered around what will happen  if the Taliban breached the agreement between the two parties concerned.    In the period of more than a year there were no Allied soldiers killed in Afghanistan - despite the lie of the New Yorkk Times that Putin was paying the Taliban to kill US soldiers,    When the Taliban in October launcghed an attack breaching the agreements signed  they were heavily bombed and seiously harmed by the USA Air Force and they ended up apologizing for the breach.   

The allies started reducing their armed forces in Afghanistan and by January 2021 there were only 2 500  US soldiers left in Afghanistan.     

Everything was running according to the agreements  until Biden took over.    When that took place the Taliban and their Chinese Advisors realized that they are dealing with an  idiot and the Taliban started breaching the agreements on a daily basis with no action to remedy the situation by the USA.  

The 2 500 soldiers were stationed at Bagram about 30 kilometers outside of  Kabul.  Their stationing there would be to ensure that  all parties adhere to the agreements reached.    None of the Allies realized that there  would be a chaotic withdrawal process and that is hat actually was the case.   

The Allies was  alarmed and distressed by the chaos orchestrated by Biden  and the results was felt in the UK, the Netherlands, France and Italy - and it told them a real story about  the  maladministration the Biden  Presidency are capable of.   The UK Parliament passed a motion censuring Biden for what happened - the Dutch foreign Minister had to resign, and there were serious unhappiness in Germany and Italy as well.   

The problem was not the withdrawal of Allied troops - it was the chaos ccaused y the biden Administration.    Bagram would remain a USA  base fo years to come to ensure that the Taliban adhere  to the Agreements signed.   However - the base was suddenly closed in the middle of the night when the US soldiers sneaked out in the middle of the night without telling  the Afghan staff that they are leaving.  There were abut 4 000  Al Qaeda  and ISIS prisoners held  at Bagram - they were not part of the release agreement.   With the USA troops fleeing in chaos during the night - they left billions of US Army equipment behind and they effectively freed the circa 4 000 most dangerous terrorists .

It as not the agreements that caused the chaos - it as breaching of the agreements by the USA that caused the problems that ensued and for that the Biden Presidency is entirely to be blamed.    There si one thing that the Allies learned from the debacle - never to trust the US Government with Biden in charge.   That is why they are hesitant to get involved in the Ukraine and is trying to have a peace agreement negotiated - sabotaged on a daily basis by the Biden Administration.    The other Party in that agreement is Turkey - a NATO member with the biggest Amy outside of Russia in Europe.   

Like in Afghanistan everything Biden touched is turned into shit.  The American voters realized it as well.   The decline of Biden in opinion polls dipped after the Afghanistan debacle and is continuing going downwards since then.     It is so bad local Democratic Party candidates do not want Biden anywhere near their States of Districts campaigning for them in the upcoming election.   In Virginia - a state Biden won by 10% in 2020 - the Democratic Governor candidate after Biden campaigning lost by 4% and the Democrats also lost the Deputy Governor and Attorney General election - the first statewide election wins by the Republicans in Virginia in 12 years.     

If you want to blame  anyone for the chaotic Afghanistan debacle  blame Biden for it.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 May 2022, 10:11
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25 May 2022, 10:11#4
Personally I reckon Bozo should take 90% of the blame for making the original Afghanistan deal and Krusty 10% of the blame for sticking with it when there were few viable alternatives.
However, Bozo takes 100% of the blame for the much worse Ukraine crisis after all his shameless sucking up to Putin, his public belittling and scorning of NATO, his threats to withhold military aid from Ukraine if they didn't dig up dirt on Biden . . . these factors all encouraged Putin's invasion, while Bozo's double thumbs-up and cries of "wonderful" and "genius" in the wake of the invasion encouraged Putin to persist (even after the ragged Ukrainian rebels embarrassed the supposedly unstoppable Russians). 
Now we have Bozo sitting back and deriding Krusty's attempts to fix his own gigantic stuff-up . . . while weak, brainwashed and fawning little Trumpanzees like fArt, ou Maaik and Moffie all squeal with delight.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
25 May 2022, 12:21
#5
25 May 2022, 12:21#5

Mike, are you related to Beeno?

I see lots of similarities. Check it out.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
25 May 2022, 12:28
#6
25 May 2022, 12:28#6

Delusional Donnie thought he could do a deal with North Korea, the art of the deal kinda thing......they laughed at him, played him for a Sucker, the EU laughed at him as well, everyone laughed at him.  Be nice though , he does bring a lot of humour to the world stage.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 May 2022, 15:54
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25 May 2022, 15:54#7

Typical Dem strategy. After Biden totally blows the exit, suddenly it’s Trump’s fault that he started the process to end America’s longest  war. 

Ultimately this was in the hands of the Afghan people. They had an opportunity under US occupation to pivot to a more inclusive  country. Unlike the Ukrainians the people and their military never had the resolve to step up to the plate.


The US gave them enough time, enough resources and enough blood. After all that investment it was time to bring our soldiers home. And to do that you had to put in place an understanding with all parties. Trump was in the process of doing that.

I’m sure he was under no illusions that it would be difficult and might ultimately relapse. But it was time to leave. The big mistake was occupying the first place. All that was required was a ‘bug hunt’ to quote Star Trek Troopers.


What Trump would never have presided over was a second Saigon, with hostages and all the other negative images. He would have exited with strength and with smart guys like Pompeo involved, with careful planning. 


Biden was right in exiting, but the execution was a disaster. Trying to blame that on Trump is so reminiscent of Obama blaming Bush for 8 years. It’s what the Dems do when they are in trouble.



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