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How utterly historically ignorant are the sheep in western education today.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
13 Jul 2023, 07:24
#2
13 Jul 2023, 07:24#2

Like I said.... the Ukro fascists on here hate Putin as they hate God. They always need someone to hate. 


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
13 Jul 2023, 07:53
#3
13 Jul 2023, 07:53#3

the Ukro fascists on here hate Putin as they hate God. They always need someone to hate. 


Ffs ...............

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 Jul 2023, 07:55
#4
13 Jul 2023, 07:55#4
I think Bendover needs professional help . . .
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
13 Jul 2023, 08:14
#5
13 Jul 2023, 08:14#5

The lbgtq fascists rise up to fight alongside their hero Zelensky. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
13 Jul 2023, 09:34
#6
13 Jul 2023, 09:34#6

The lbgtq fascists

Because LBGTQ people are so compatible with fascism. 


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jul 2023, 10:00
#7
13 Jul 2023, 10:00#7

Yes Stav, that's what they've become of late...not the individuals, but rather the "movement".


1

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2

: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

early instances of army fascism and brutality


It's being promoted and forced from the highest levels these days....no dissent tolerated.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jul 2023, 10:25
#8
13 Jul 2023, 10:25#8

I think that the issue of the Ukraine War can be traced directly to Washington - who funded the Ukraine coup in 2014 and then openly bragged about who should be appointed  as Interim leaders of Ukraine.   They kept funding the ultra-corrupt leadership in Ukraine ever since.   They never ever got involved in peaceful settlement in Ukraine initially initiated  by Germany and France in 2015 and being emphasized by Macron subsequently.

The anti-Russian hysteria was emphasized and used by the Democratic Party based on lies they concocted about Russian Collusion with Trump that went on for years afterwards.   When Trump found out about what American politicians were up to when it came to kickbacks  US politicians got for USAAID approval programs he banned all foreign aid programs to find a system that would stop the Kickback system used by USA Politicians using fraud to enrich themselves. 

A typical example is the issue of  the way the USA used foreign aid to force the Ukraine to follow instructions was when Biden publicly bragged about how he forced the Ukraine Government into firing of the prosecutor investigating Burisma.    It now came out that Burisma paid him a backhander of $5 million for services rendered - paid Hunter Biden a further $5 million and then appointed Hunter as a Board member of Burisma at a salary of $83 000 a month for no services rendered - other than being connected to his father who would prevent any action against Burisma corruption being taken.    

If Biden wanted any peaceful settlement in Ukraine he would have ensured that the USA participated in efforts to come to a peaceful agreement like embodied in the Minsk agreement of 2015.    By funding the Ukraine Government the USA Government could force the Ukraine Government to implement an agreement they countersigned in 2015.   That would have restored Democratic Governance in Ukraine - the two most important conditions incorporated in the Minsk agreement being the respecting of the territorial integrity of Ukraine and the second being the compilation of a new federal constitution protecting the human rights of all Ukraine citizens.

According to everybody on site would agree on is the international clout the USA as a supreme military and economic control country in the world has.   If the USA wanted  peace in Ukraine there would have been peaceful settlement in Ukraine and no war.   So why did the  USA deteriorated into a situation where they support wars and international instability since Biden became President?    

The chaotic departure from Afghanistan left that country in chaos and the image of the USA on international level in tatters.    The main losers in that regard was the armaments industry.   The situation was that ever since WW2 there was constant wars involving the Arms industry paying kickbacks to politicians and the bureaucrats for arms purchases - so why the constant wars that followed.    The Korean War was actually the only war based on political issues - the fighting of Communism in China and the threat the Chinese posed to South Korea and Japan.   The war ended in a stalemate and a ceasefire with the USA allies supporting the war.   Since then the most prominent wars were in Vietnam and  Iraq.    Both started on lies and deception hiding the real program of the kickback system of he US Government.   In the case of the Vietnam War President Kennedy  was against  the involvement of the USA in that area - but Kenedy was murdered and his successor was after Biden the most corrupt US President ever.  The war dragged on for 7 years before it ended in chaos caused by the USA Government in the first place.

The next major war was in Iraq in `1991 and then again in 2003.    The latter war was started on lies concocted by the Bush administration about non-existing WMD and was run on a corrupt basis through kickbacks to politicians.   An example is the Haliburton contract of the Pentagon that benefited the Cheyne family and other US politicians that benefited  the Bush family and Rice - who even got a oil carrier bearing her name.   

So what is the war in Ukraine about?   The Biden presidency is totally corrupt and the war serve their self-enrichment program with corruption benefits flowing to a wide range of politicians and bureaucrats benefitting from it.    Example Haliburton got another similar contract to the one they had in Iraq - this time operating from Poland.   The Ukraine was given second-hand equipment collected from the army camps and send to Ukraine - where the Armaments industry getting massive  contracts from the Biden Regime to replace the equipment provided to Ukraine.     Those contracts through kickbacks benefitting the politicians and bureaucrats involved in allocating of contracts.

Another example is billions made available to Ukraine for budgetary support.   Immediately after the invasion started the House approved a budget supporting the Ukraine Government by a grant of  $1 billion.   Three days after approval Pelosi and Schiff turned up in Kiev to arrange for the transfer and disposal of money allocated.    So where did the money in fact go.   Based on factual info provided the Ukraine Government agreed to invest the money in FTX - partly because the WEF supported FTX on their website - which was since removed from the site.  According to proven records the NDC got  $70 million for election support in 2022 and Romney got $253 000 for his  support of the dummy candidate running for t he DP as an independent.   Where the rest of the FTX money went (estimated at circa $5 billion)  is a mystery and the court case is delayed while the bail guarantee involving bail of $250 million - of which $249 000 came from 2 people whose identity is kept as a state secret by the Regime.   The case is unlikely to provide any real info on how the FTX investments vanished.     It would entail another sweetheart deal that would cause a shortened jail sentence that would leave the culprit to be freed soon after hm entering jail. 

Be it as it may the support of Ukraine stinks of corruption anyway.   That remains the reason why the USA Government sabotaged every peacemaking effort involved.    The problem is that as corrupt the Ukraine Government is as corrupt is the Biden Regime in the USA.   However in the Ukraine case there are also support or the proxy war from some Republican Senators and House members as well.   By the way the probable reason for the Haliburton contract operating from Poland stemmed from Cheyne's daughter supporting the Democrats on their witch hunt against Trump.  She got initially upset when  Trump identified Cheyne's father of corrupt activities during the Iraq war and was an active supporter undermining Trump..                            

If Kennedy or Trump were President there would have been no proxy war in Ukraine and that is a fact as well.    

What is really atrocious is that Mozart lied on this site about a peace agreement initiated by Macron in February 2022 signed by both Putin and Zeenskyy and sabotaged by the USA through their corrupt puppet in Ukraine before the invasion started'    That is typical propaganda promoted by the corrupt in the USA.    It was an example of how war mongers on site react to anything discrediting  their narrative.      

          

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
13 Jul 2023, 10:44
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13 Jul 2023, 10:44#9

Liberal societies can not teach themselves. They must instead substitute a narrative to their own history .

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
13 Jul 2023, 11:14
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13 Jul 2023, 11:14#10

Yes Stav, that's what they've become of late...not the individuals, but rather the "movement".


1

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2

: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

early instances of army fascism and brutality


It's being promoted and forced from the highest levels these days....no dissent tolerated.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jul 2023, 11:52
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13 Jul 2023, 11:52#11

   

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sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
13 Jul 2023, 11:53
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13 Jul 2023, 11:53#12

If you don't like the world, you can always get off at the next stop.

Since Christians have become the decreasing minority, they no longer like Democracy- and now look to authoritarian leaders like Putin for moral guidance.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jul 2023, 11:54
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13 Jul 2023, 11:54#13

 

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sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
13 Jul 2023, 12:18
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13 Jul 2023, 12:18#14
It is clear that LGB has become a scapegoat used by Christians who are unhappy with the world and their declining place in this.

They have tried to demonize LGBT by linking it to paedophilia. And this is all while Church leaders have the highest arrest rate out of any job profession or group of people - that is a fact.
History will show, this was the final nail in the coffin for Christianity. 

Christians are being discarded by Western society like a bad habit. We do not see a future for their ways. It is time to roll out the real virus that will convert them into blacks or LGBT.
Those that are Covid vaccinated, are immune to this virus. 


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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
13 Jul 2023, 13:19
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13 Jul 2023, 13:19#15

It's not moral guidance they want, it's someone to enforce their beliefs on everyone else. Doesn't matter who dies or suffers as long as they have someone that enforces their own hate on others.

Their loss of power that they  feel as their beliefs are exposed for the BS it is Is what really drives them.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
13 Jul 2023, 14:25
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13 Jul 2023, 14:25#16

Whatever people think about LGBTQ rights, wokism and culture wars, you've got to be missing a few screws if you're trying to link those things to the war in Ukraine.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jul 2023, 14:29
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13 Jul 2023, 14:29#17

The oppression of the weirdos who accuse others of being undemocratic while acting as a regime is what is found at present in the USA  where the  Justice Department  and the FBI is used to undermine the freedom of speech and harassing opponents of  the regime, where they can be compared  to the  Gestapo in Germany and the KGB   in the USSR.      

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sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
13 Jul 2023, 15:19
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13 Jul 2023, 15:19#18

DumbMike lost all screws ages ago, or he has always been stupid. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jul 2023, 15:49
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13 Jul 2023, 15:49#19

No SB

I know too much about the ideas of BSters like you - you believe the BS spread by the media iro an agenda that would destroy democracy.     I can produce evidence of wrongdoing in Democracies  like he USA and an agenda aimed at destruction of Democracy - all you can do is whine about things you know zero about.        

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
13 Jul 2023, 19:28
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13 Jul 2023, 19:28#20

  I can produce evidence of wrongdoing

lol



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jul 2023, 19:38
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13 Jul 2023, 19:38#21

"Whatever people think about LGBTQ rights, wokism and culture wars, you've got to be missing a few screws if you're trying to link those things to the war in Ukraine."


Who did that? ...although VZ is woke AF...

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
13 Jul 2023, 19:44
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13 Jul 2023, 19:44#22

Who did that?

Putin himself did as well. In the west Jordon Peterson is another. 

.although VZ is woke AF...

Oh ffs...there isn't enough face palm pictures in the world.




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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
14 Jul 2023, 01:48
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14 Jul 2023, 01:48#23

Mike, the warmongers on site don't  have a narrative. Mozzie has attempted to pick and choose here and there but the ardent ones are like the atheists they are... Empty vessels. 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 Jul 2023, 02:44
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14 Jul 2023, 02:44#24
Do you honestly believe that your Jesus is cheering on Goliath over David ?
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Jul 2023, 04:48
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14 Jul 2023, 04:48#25

They see it as NATO Goliath vs Russia David and Ukraine slingshot,  but I can't understand why...look at Russia's allies...China, ANC, The Norks...Iran,  Syria...Turkey...regardless of corrupted some Western nations have allegedly become, Russia and China are still way worse...definitely not the good guys.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
14 Jul 2023, 09:51
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14 Jul 2023, 09:51#26

Vietnam and the Phillipines were/have been hid from the mainstream media.I am speaking of the atrocious stats. 

Thing is with these dumb atheists/lbgtq sods is they just go with the flow without investigating themselves.

The Communists were bad but how does that justify killing millions of civilians. 

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Jul 2023, 06:50
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18 Jul 2023, 06:50#27

regardless of corrupted some Western nations have allegedly become, Russia and China are still way worse...definitely not the good guys.

Corruption is another liberal iconic topic that shows their influence.

If anything, Russia and China have to make corruption a clear situation.

On the other hand, corruption is a dodgy topic in liberal societies as liberals frame it.

Already stated it, corruption requires to define two states: a noble state and a vile state. The shift from a noble state to the vile state is corruption.

Now liberal societies: liberal societies started as slaver societies that declared not being a slave a universal human right.

So Thomas Jefferson corrupted or not corrupted. What answer to expect from liberals if not contempt.

So China and Russia, both societies provide a clear sight on corruption. Better always is relative.

So yes, both societies may not be better for corrupted people as they can not hide.

In the same vein, Puting may be tried for war crimes. On the other hand, people like Blair, the Clintons, the Bush etc were not tried for war crimes.

What is better: war criminals who may be tried or war criminals who cant be tried.

War criminals have an answer to that. Yes, liberal societies are better.

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