from news reports it is clear that the Northern Hemisphere is experience the coldest winter in many years and at least in SA we are experiencing the coolest summer in 70 years.
Why the panic? it may be signs of things to come. The earth may start experience colder temperatures and the question is what will the global warming fanatics then say?
from news reports it is clear that the Northern Hemisphere is experience the coldest winter in many years
Funny I thought Europe was in the Northern Hemisphere and was experiencing an unusually mild winter.
Stav I have told you before please stop pointing out any facts that counter the conspiracy nuts, it makes them look even nuttier than usual and puts additional pressure on the looney bin trying to find space for them
Stav I have told you before please stop pointing out any facts that counter the conspiracy nuts
What facts? Do you know what a conspiracy and theory is? The latter has the Westies stumped.
As far as I could make out the conspiracy nuts are all brainwashed people believing the junk leftist media.
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Science and facts are now left-wing?
Then fantasy and conspiracies must be right-wing.
Yin and Yang...
Although most sensible conservatives agree with the science, while many of Black Lives Matter also think global warming is BS.
It is about brains vs stupidity - not ideology.
I have done some checking - Berlin's mean temperature in January is 6,3. This January is 3 wth substantial ice covering, Moscow average -1,9 this year -11, Stockholm, Oslo and Helsinski is covered by snow. So nice effort by Stav again. The North Pole ice coverage is bigger than it has been for 50 years, In the USDA some cities are recording the coldest temperatures ever.
Nice try Stav - but I am not convinced.
I wonder how idiot supreme SB got involved in this, Checking the average temperature in Berlin in August 2022 was 25 degrees - way below the average for normal years, I stop checking other cities. London had one exceptionally hot day and the conspiracy theorists went ballistic. When they claim things like the one exceptionally hot day in London at applies universally all over the world. When large areas in the world are co lder than normal - there theory does not apply and everyone else differing from them is a conspiracy theorist.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ski-snow-shortage-europe-warm-weather/32210893.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64158283
I can also add my own two cents that bar about roughly two weeks of quite cold weather here in Ireland this winter has been unusually mild.
So Mike once again, please stop talking shit.
Well in my neck of the woods here in Canada we have had more snow this year that any year since we moved here.
Travel in and around western Canada has been disrupted , roads are covered in snow but finally we are having a break and clean up is on the way.
This after a very hot and dry summer all caused by the cows and cars in NZ according to the experts.
Ecofascist neo-pagan earth worshippers don't do facts AJH.
Ecofascist neo-pagan earth worshippers
Seriously WTF?
I got bored worshipping the earth, so I created an avatar of myself that I worship.
A recent National Aeronautics and Space Administration report yet again raises alarm that New Yorkers are about to be inundated by rapidly rising seas. But a review of the data suggests that such warnings need to be taken with more than a few grains of sea salt.
The record of sea level measured at the southern tip of Manhattan, known as the Battery, begins in 1856. It shows that today’s waters are 19 inches higher than they were 166 years ago, rising an average of 3.5 inches every 30 years. The geologic record shows that this rise began some 20,000 years ago as the last great glaciers melted, causing the New York coastline to move inland more than 50 miles.
There is no question that sea level at the Battery will continue to rise in coming decades, if only because the land has been steadily sinking about 2 inches every 30 years because of factors including tectonic motion, rebound from the mass of the glaciers, and local subsidence. Rather, the question is whether growing human influences on the climate will cause sea level to rise more rapidly. To judge that, we can compare recent rates of rise with those in the past, when human influences were much smaller.
The nearby chart shows how much sea level rose during the 30 years prior to each year since 1920. That rise has varied between 1.5 and 6 inches. The 5-inch rise over the most recent 30 years is higher than the centurylong average but isn’t unprecedented and shows no sign of increasing.
PHOTO: WSJAs the Earth warms, changes in sea level at the Battery will depend in part on global changes. These include the loss of ice from mountain glaciers, Greenland and Antarctica as well as the ocean’s expansion as it warms. It’s very difficult to predict these changes—many factors influence ice loss, and the oceans absorb only 0.25% of the heat flowing through the Earth’s climate system. The 30-year rises in the latter half of the 20th century were diminished by about an inch due to the filling of reservoirs behind dams and changes in groundwater around the world.
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PreviewSubscribeThe Battery’s sea level also depends on local changes in the sea and the sinking of the land. Most important is the natural variability of winds, currents such as the Gulf Stream, salinity and temperatures of the North Atlantic, which cause variations in sea level along the entire U.S. Northeast coast. Because of these many variables, climate models can’t account for the ups and downs so evident in the graph.
Despite this, the recent NASA report echoes a February National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration report predicting more than 1 foot of rise at the Battery by 2050. Such a rise during the coming 30 years would be more than double the rise over the past 30 years and more than triple the past century’s average. Even more remarkably, the NOAA report says this rise will happen regardless of future greenhouse-gas emissions. There is no way of knowing if this prediction is correct.
So while New Yorkers should watch the waters around them, there is no need to dash to higher ground. The Battery’s sea level hasn’t done anything in recent decades that it hasn’t done over the past century. And although we’ll have to wait three decades to test the predicted 1-foot rise, measurements over the next decade should tell us how quickly we’ll need to raise the seawalls.
Mr. Koonin is a professor at New York University, a senior fellow at Stanford’s Hoover Institution, and author of “Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Mat
Mr. Koonin is a professor at New York University, a senior fellow at Stanford’s Hoover Institution, and author of “Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-new-book-manages-to-get-climate-science-badly-wrong/
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/the-unalarmist-steven-koonins-controversial-climate-contentions
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2021/05/a-critical-review-of-steven-koonins-unsettled/
As Stav has said, we too had a couple of weeks of bitter weather but the rest of the winter has been unseasonably warm.
The usual character assassination directed at any Climate Denier….meanwhile we are up 1.2 degrees since the Industrial Revolution, half of which occurred before man made CO2 was 5% of it’s current level.
The usual character assassination directed at any Climate Denier
The usual cries of victimization.
….meanwhile we are up 1.2 degrees since the Industrial Revolution, half
of which occurred before man made CO2 was 5% of it’s current level.
The broken record continues.
"Man needs religion so he/she has invented one (or a couple of thousand) .climate change/christianity/islam/hindu etc. Every prophecy in ALL religion has fallen short of the mark"
Very inciteful of you but still wondering why you don't apply this to your religion since you clearly seem to understand that man creates religions out of need.
I think Mozart is right - for millions of years earth has gone through cycles of heating and cooling - that is a proven scientific fact. The last Ice Age started warming about 20 000 years ago when a warming period kicked in and by 12 000 years ago the ice-cover receded to allow for human population increases. That is a scientific fact.
Where I differ from Mozart slightly is the present Climate Change BS. It is both a religious and political program - the latter to get total control of human life even prescribing what humans may eat - where and when they may travel - what they may own not to allow them to own their own properties and motor vehicles. Whether or not they would be allowed to have children and the number of children they may have. Owners of properties will not be allowed to leave property to their descendants and all savings will revert back to the state on death. Fact is the objective of family life is also under attack in educational programs.
Climate Change is the scare tactic to scare humas into submission and allow the present era of computerization to be developed into a dictatorship - the equal of which no human has ever seen before. The WEF is blatantly open about their objectives and their co-operation with China to achieve those - so it is no scare tactics or conspiracy theories - it is fact and has been happening in countries like Canada already, where bank accounts of people have been frozen on political grounds.
The WEF hates DEMOCRACY and undermining of that concept by their control of the media and internet platforms is part and parcel of their ideology. Who are the WEF drivers - they are the ultra-rich already controlling Governments like their 100% control of the Biden Administration in the USA. They are fascist in nature and approach. A World Government by them and the Chinse Fascists is their objective.
So we are going to change the infinitely old rhythms of the the planet and the universe by decommissioning...
That's not what people who want to prevent climate change are trying to do...but I suspect you know that already.
So let's just give up, and stuff future generations. If we can save a bit of money now, everyone can die in the future. That is fine.
Let's forget about what scientists who know the most in their field say, who are also amongst the smartest people in the world.
On that point, most (or all) of the smartest people in the world believe in climate change.
Let's forget about working on getting clean energy cheaper on a like-for-like basis.
I do agree that as long as dirty energy is cheaper, it will be hard to eradicate.
It is simple, if green energy becomes cheaper on a like-for-like basis, people will drop dirty energy in a flash.
There is also the added benefit of depriving many authoritarian places of the money by selling their dirty energy. (As if ending Putin is not enough of an incentive).
Some of the largest polluter countries are China, India and a host of African countries.
Coal and oil based fuels are the main source of heat, cooking, transportation etc so how are we going to change all that for starters.
Motor cycles, scooters and many millions of cars add to the problem as does the cutting down of trees for domestic use in rural areas.
Cattle are the main source of protein for most of these countries but no one grows feed for the cattle that are allowed to roam freely and eat what they can from the land.
Forest are disappearing in parts of the world such as Brazil, Congo and industrial countries in Europe, North America and Asia.
Solar energy, wind power are expensive and the average inhabitant in these locations are not able to afford them so the fires keep growing to cook and stay warm.
Electric cars are expensive plus they required an electric source to charge which is at present being supplied from coal and gas power plants with additional power supplied via nuclear stations and hydro plant as we have here in British Columbia, Canada.
This is going to take a major change in lifestyles for all to make if we ever are going to turn the situation around.
Nuclear option at present is about the only viable option with one big drawback being the spent fuel rods and waste which is very toxic.
So until the countries named stop and change their way of life and with the help of NZ cows and inhabitants we are not going to change a thing.
If anyone is able to provide a solution to this universal problem it would already be in operation but until we walk everywhere, only eat fruit and vegetables, fish and live like the folks did in centuries past we will continue heading to DOOMSDAY.
So best we all get our walking shoes on, only use bicycles for transport and stop farting.
The greatest hurdle to solving this problem is US humans.
Point is even if you believe in Climate Change, the prescription is hopelessly impractical. Walking through London last July I was struck by the Porsche Taycan getting it’s charge through a cord strung over the pavement, protected by a rubber buffer and plugged into the basement. And in 2030 every new car in London has to be an EV. Where are they going to plug them in?
So let's just give up, and stuff future generations. If we can save a
bit of money now, everyone can die in the future. That is fine.
Our ancestors had to deal with the Ice Age and look, here we are. Future generations will have to deal with whatever the earth throws at them and either survive or die. That's nature. We're really not as special or important as we consider ourselves to be, being the #1 fucker up of all things on planet earth as we are.
Pakie, I have no problem dealing with whatever nature throws at me or at future generations. My problem is dealing with climate change that was caused by man and that is what we're dealing with now. We have polluted the air, the oceans, the land, the rivers and we've even started polluting the space outside our atmosphere.
I know this is not what you climate deniers like to hear but if you think that pumping harmful fumes into the air from millions of industrial chimneys or exhaust pipes or pumping toxic waste into our rivers or spilling oil into our oceans isn't having a negative effect on our environment then you're delusional.
Any human being thinking he can change the climate of the earth must be a brainwashed idiotic imbecile or have an enhanced opinion of himself on an unbelievable level.
Let me explain why I say the above. There is no real practical explanation on how we get rid of coal and gas energy provision. Green energy is the answer according to some. Billions have been spent on the installation of sun and wind electricity - yet the contribution to the overall energy needs is still minimal. Even if the present investment is increased by 300% the provision of green energy to energy needs will on be about 50% by 2050.
A better investment will be on nuclear energy - but the greenies opposed that vigorously. None of the catastrophe's forecasted by scientists have materialized ever and the world as a whole has like for thousands of years gone through warm and cold weather - nothing really have changed in the climate.
So why the panic? Climate change has become the hobby horse of politicians with an impossible agenda to absolutely control human beings and the way people live. Just go and read the WEF and you will find what they really had in mind. They even had a page now removed dealing with F TX and promoting the company activities aimed entirely at getting public money and that vanish into a hoard of corruption. They support 100% abortion and open borders and their programs are entirely aimed at dictatorial control of human beings and wiping out the family structure. They want the ultra-rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer. They want to treat humans like animals and made them slaves again controlled by the ultra-rich.
That is the program and climate change is just used to scare people into submission. I fear for future generations living under dictatorial control by the Fascists.
Any human beings thinking they can change the climate of the earth must be brainwashed idiotic imbeciles or have an enhanced opinion of themselves on an unbelievable level.
Well Mike you're possibly the most brainwashed idiotic imbecile who has an enhanced opinion of himself on an unbelievable level that I've ever come across.
"Climate change has become the hobby horse of politicians with an impossible agenda to absolutely control human beings and the way people live"
Just look at what humans have created for themselves over the years, and the outright damage and destruction that they have caused the natural environment..... Factories, Cars, Motorbikes....Plastics, Sewerage, Over Population... Deforestation...Over Fishing...Pollution etc etc etc... just to name a few
If you cannot open your eyes to the absolute destructive nature of mankind, you are both blind and stupid.... this type of wanton d estructive behaviour cannot be maintained indefinitely.... something has to give...
We humans have destroyed the natural order of our atmosphere with the amount of rubbish we've released into it , my take is simple, if you crap in your own nest then there's a problem.
"Possibly"?
Donald Trump.
Touche . . .
So God created the hole in the ozone layer, and then fixed it?
It wasn't mankind making a mistake and then fixing the problem.
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Jan 09, 2023, 11:41Well Mike you're possibly the most brainwashed idiotic imbecile who has an enhanced opinion of himself on an unbelievable level that I've ever come across.
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Who joins a message board and gives themselves the name Clever...
This a backward fool... DumbMike is far more accurate.
Well Rooinek, what is the solution? Are we going to stop using plastic? Are we going to cut down on our energy needs? Are we going to consume less? Are we going to stop destroying natural habitats to make space for the ever fornicating human?
That we're causing a problem that's coming to bite us hard is not debatable. Whether we can fix it, and have the will to fix is, is. I don't see it happening, not to any extent that will make a jot of difference.
The world is in a catch-22: we're killing our environment, but we're so numerous and wasteful and greedy that we cannot live without the industrial complex, plastic packaging and all of our energy sucking comforts and entertainment and our destructive expansion into, and exploitation of, the natural world that cradles us.
We're talking about humans here. We can't work together, we can't sacrifice, we can't scale down, we can't play nice with each other, with animals, with trees, nothing, not on any significant level. "Saving the Planet - Human Edition" is a pipe dream. A bit of nonsense.