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Tells you what happened in 2020

LOL... even more corrupt than the time Saddam Hussein  won 100% of the vote in one of the Iraqi elections?

There are some serious questions I always wanted to ask.    Although the media went into hysteria   - how did Biden manage to get the DP votes increased by 16 million votes from the time Obama was elected in 2012.   On the other  hand Trump increased his votes from 61 million in 2016 to 75 million while the votes for the Democrfats were incessed by 19 million votes,    

Those are unique increases in vote ove a 4 year period,   The fact is there was a pandemic going on in the election campaign  that would normally reduie voting .   Trump wss always popular amongst the working  class voters and inceased support by both the Blacks and Hispanics significantly was proven in 2020..    

The question remains  - how did under those circumstances Biden who never campaigned himself got 19 million more vites hat Clinton got 4 years earlier.   I can understand the increae in Trump votes - but how Biden got a 19 million more votes in 2020 than Clinon got in 2016 is beymond nrmal belief.  .   Losing voites in the Hispanic community and amongst Black voters would under nomal circumstances reduce the total of votes cast for the Democrats - not increase it by 19 million votes.   The increase of support for Trump amongst the Hispanics and Blacks were proven  by intensive research and statistical  evaluation.   

The othe thing  proving there were anomalies is the fact that the Democrats lost seats in the House and State Governmentsd throughout the USA.  

The question remains where did that 19 million votes come from?     There was a massive number of voters that voted by mail and that is where the hitch came in.   There were millions of votes cast by mail-ins - but here again there were poblems.   Most of hem had no identity proof and even signature - which some states like California set as an requirement - at least that is what the California election law is required .but never checked against signatures provvided n the voter registration application firms.   There were also  $500 million dollars provided to be used by States to hire staff for votecounting and adminsitration.   The majority of those were used as "drop boxes" for votes put all over the show and with no provision for supervision of the drop boxes - while the Election Commission allowed people working for  Zuckerman who played a major role in counting and deciusionmaking to be used

I am not a statistian - but I know that proven studies of voting paterns a drop in Hispanic  support  new voters in that period could have cause a minor increase in votes - definitely not a 10 million increase.   It defies logic and that is why I suspected that the results were somehow or another manipulated.  mainly the rough voter fraud through submission of millions of unidentified votes.

The other fact is that the Demcorats were aware of the fact they were losing  Hipanics and Blacks so in the case of election it would be increase the expected vote to win the election enormously to cater for support loss to ensure they had more votes that Trump would get  in key states in general.

Another issue is that the Democrats lost a number of House seats.    If  there was an increase in voter support - why did they lose House seats in the election.   It just does not add up at all,    

When election results in Arizona was checked there were 57 000 that could not be matched by voters om te  voters role.

I think there were also doubts about the results within the Republican Party and the difference were some people dounted whether the fraud  was on a  scale that  would change the outciome of the election.   Intitially according to opinion polls 41% of the voters thought there were election fraud in 2020.   In a recent poll a total of 62% there was fraud in the 2020 election.

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...the issue should be open for discussion...suppressing it raises questions...uncomfortable ones...

The same argument, disproved time and again. The US system is open, people can examine anything. I guarantee you every close district was carefully examined by the opposing party. If there was a case to be made it would have been made.

Trump lost the election because he blew the debates and because he blew the COVID briefings, the perfect forum to be presidential.

There is always some attempted cheating in these elections, that’s human nature. But blaming the election apparatus is what forced Giuliani into bankruptcy.

Mozart

It is not as easy to check as you claim it to be.  Election fraud court cases take years to be taking place.  

Kemp - who appointed a legal team to investigate what happened only recently completed a study finding there waqs major fraud committed in Fulton County (Atlanta) after careful study of what actually happened.    

It took two years to study what happened in Arizona for instance and some of the findings were  that there  were 17 000 votes cast in Maricopo county - by voters who moved out of Maricopo and voted in other adjoining counties as well  and 57 000  votes that could not be reconciled with voters actually on the voters role.  The decision not to prosecute people from the list of 17 000 double votes were taken because it was impossible to determine whether they acutally voted  twice and it may land innocent people in court  when fraud was committed oin their name.   It was only decided to pass a law that people who leave the county should be removed from the voters role immediately after departure.

I will give you three  other examples as well:-

*    Kemp the Governor of Georgia - who intitially said the result in Fulton County should be accepted - after a security video showed what actually happened appointed a legal task team to evaluate whther voter fraud in the county actually took place.  H e now announced that voter fraud on a major scale was reveaqled by the invesigation and the two women who claimed lible damages was the main actors in the fraud.   They are now going to be charged of voter fraud on a major scale.

*     In 2017 the California Election Committee was taken to court because it after extensive study was found to hav 5,8 million votes on the role of people who died or moved away and could not be  found.   The Court ruled that the 5,8 million voters should be removed from the voters role - but the California house approved a new Act that voters cannot be removed  from the role becausxe it would be against their human rights and nothig was done since to remiove the dead from the voters role - so even the dead have human rights in California.

*    Investigations revealed that there were about 125 000 voters on the voters role of Wisconsin who was registered as voters with the date of registration given as 1 January 1918.   Thse people are sill voting regularly and it is obvious that in Wiscconsin the dead vote in huge numbers.   The adminsitration of Wisconsin has always been Under Demcoratic Party control and they refuse to remove the 125 000 voters from the role - by now they should be over 130 years of age - so the State set new world records as to the age of people.

Nothing will force Guilani into bancruptsy.  The two women who clamied damages are going to jail soon and the case in Washington will be reviewed and thrown out of court on appeal.

No Mozart - there was cheating in the 2020 and on a much larger scale than you belie ve.   I do not think TV debates influences 10 000 million voters like you believe.   If Trump lost the election by his performance in the debates in 2020 - how come he got 15 million more votes in 2020  than he got in 2016?     - 

Elections in the USA leaves a wide space open for corruption and the election results indicate that the space was very wide in  2020. It is unheard of in any democratic country that unidentified people can register as voters and vote without provision of proof of identity and vote harvesting after election day is also common in some states.       

Even in SA there is a much better registration and voting process than there are in the mighty USA.   It does not take two weeks to announce results like in the USA House elections like happened in 2022 - it is done in maxuimum 2 days,  

They should clean up their act or accept that election fraud determine the outcome of elections in the USA.    .      

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Mike you are correct, there is overwhelming evidence of voter fraud. 

The idea Trump blew the debates is absurd. He crushed poor senile lying Joe. 

Mozzz yet again shows he knows stuff all about what is going on in the country in which he lives. He is a Globalist Uniparty Never Trumper American traitor. 

It took a while to unmask him as he played a deep game however he has been unmasked by events and his attitude towards America First. 

Nobody has successfully explained how counting suddenly stopped in 6 battle ground states and then new ballot drops happened in the early hours of the morning practically ALL FOR BIDEN WHICH IS TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

Everything about this result reeks of impossibility. 

Tens of millions of mail in ballots were sent in. Votes could be made without signature verification or voter ID. Counts took weeks to complete. 

State laws were changed by Governors, Secretaries of State and even State Supreme Courts. All this was illegal as per the US Constitution as only State Legislatures made the laws governing elections. 

The Dominium voter machines were easy hacked and were proven to be connected to the internet. They were capable of switching votes between candidates and sending ballots for adjudication by corrupt Demonrats. 

Printing machines stopped in Maricopa County Arizona and effectively handed the Governorship, AG and SOS positions to Demonrats. 

Republicans were prevented from doing their job as poll watchers. They were kicked out of counting centers and the windows boarded up. Fake water leaks got everybody out of a counting center. Demorats however carried on counting. 

Video clips emerged of tbe sane Ballotd going through the Dominium repeatedly. 

We had the 2000 mules FIL. We had the various experts on the Mike Lindell investigation showing how the machines were hacked and we're the hacks emanated from and who many votes were altered. 

Then we had the collusion between Big Tech and the Deep State to block Conservatives on Social media and then to say the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian Disinformation and 51 ex Intelligence people saying the laptop  has tbe hall marks of Russian Disinformation. 

Look at that table Draad posted there is absolutely no ways Biden even came close to winning this election. 

Trump was holding up the Globalist time table to destroy America and Western Civilization. He had to be stopped. The peace Trump achieved was unacceptable to the Neocons. The prosperity was unacceptable. How could one get to 2030 where the plan is for the people to own nothing and be happy if they were prosperous. 

Globalist tyranny is building in the USA. Lawfare against political opponents. Censorship of free speech. Surveillance, Swat team raids, BLM and Antifa have replaced the KKK as the foot troopers of tbe Marxist fascist Demonrats. 

But of course liars and loons insist the 2020 Elections were the fairest ever. Yes with no voter ID, no signature verification, mail in ballots and weeks long counts. What could go wrong! 

Making them look even more rediculous than ever though is the fact that numerous Demonrats are on video saying the Dominion Voting Machines are open to abuse. 

The Plandemic opened the opportunity to rig the elections via mail in ballots etc. 

The result was a disaster for America and the World. Look where we are today. 

Any predictions as to what happens next year if Trump runs & once again, loses?

Thiis discussion is about potential election fraud and the impacxt it could have had in the 2020 election and the question is h ow did Biden got 20 million more votes in 2020 than Clinton got in 2016,

With scientific evaulation that has been proved that Trump got more support in 2020 than he got when facing Clinton did in 2016 from Black and Hispanic people it was possible for him to get more votes than he did in 2016 and there was a decline in support of Biden in these two groups  I simply cannot udnerstand how Biden got 20 million more votes n 2020 and Cliton did in 2016.

The fact that the Demcorats lost House sezts on Federal level and seats on State level indicates to me that the results were fisshy.   

With the popularity rating of Biden at 34%   there is n way that Biden can win next year.seems to be impossible - but I have no trust in  US elections anymore - espcially when fraud is possible through usage of unidentified votes.      

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Biden got 20 million votes because the Democratic Party championed mail in voting early and made it easy for their supporters to vote. Trump helped them by losing the plot.

I repeat anything can be challenged in the US with credible evidence…nothing barring the usual, and to be expected, minor stuff was found.

It was a legal election. Trump needed to accept that with grace and if he did he could have walked into the White House next year, instead he embarrassed his more balanced supporters and won’t get them back.

Mozart

How many of those were legal votes by  voters proving identification when they registered as voters and how many povided proof of ienofication when voting .   The idea that people can registe as voters withut prove of identity and prove as to where they live or whom they are are open nvitation to commit voter fraudx.   Another aspect where fraudulent votes is a defnite is where after election day for fourteen days votes can  be havested from people who did not vote by party agetnts and votes are delviered by party agents to the counting center.   .

Why does the USA not follow standardx procedures on voter identification applied in other dxemocatic countries?    What hey did in some keys tates in 2020 was unheard of sending in votes and placing votes in unguarded ballot boxes, as well as vote harvesing not accpetable in any democratic country?    In Texas and Georgia the election Acts were changed to stop that BS and Biden nearly ahd a fainting fit about it.   

In Wisconsin the law said that unguarded drop boxes were not allowed yet they placed  thosuands of those all over the state  and the Govenrohimslf approved of that .   But the votes put in drop boxes was counted anyway.

In some states they send out ballots to be filled in are send to all regvistered voters and when the people moved the votes are lying around in post offices or delivered to empty homes r homes ovc cupied by oher people ,   Anybody can vote with these votes and mail them back without identification and the votes will be counted - also votes of dead people.  

Biden tried to get the California system approved by Federal Law in all States and the Sureme Court said that the Federal Govenment may not azpprove a law like that and that was uncnstitutitonal as elections are governed by State laws,   There have  not been an honest election in Californioa since Reagan had to leave the Govenorship after two terms.   And the Election Law is helping in fcaudulent voting. .    .        .

It is bloody easy to cast legal votes in SA,  On arrival at the polling stations you produce your ID Card - they scan it into the computer to check whether a strip authoring voting ae prined out - you  enter the election hall and they give you  two votes to cast.    One is for the National Party list   and the other for the provincial one.  There is virtually no chance of fraud.   In the case of people unable to vote on election day .the party agents can inform the local poling station of such voters and election agents go to their home or hospital where they took a  vote scanner with them and the two votes to be casted per voter and issued a confirmation that  votes to the person and he then fill in the votes and put it in two different envelopes and sign on the sealed envelope and the sedaled envelopes is taken to a special ballot box which is opned on election day.   When a person want to vote early he can go to the election office and cast an early vote as per nomal procedure mentioned.  Siince voting day sia public holidxay in SA there are no reason why people cannot go and vote themselves.   

If South Africxa can have hionest and non-fraudulent why the hell does the USA use systems open to fraud?    Is that why 81%  f the US voters in opinion polls favor that identifcation of voters are essential, but the Democrats promote a system allowing for voter fraud? .                   .     

The argument about what a legal vote is was decided before the election…..Trump and his team moaned about it, but in the end accepted the rules. Until they lost.

Mozart

Who made that rules?  You have not answeed me on anything and now comes up with some rules that represnet what?.   I said identification of votes by provision of ID 's is BS open to election fraud and in opinion polls 81% of the US voters said it is.   

This argument is not about anything  Trump.or anybody said - it is factual that no demcoratic couintry other than the USA applies that type of BS which is open  to election fraud.

That makes the USA  the most backward democatic country in the world when it comes to a system that cannot ensure honest elections.   I exlained to you what happens in real democratic countries to guard against election fraud - but not in the USA.

I am really surprised that you came up as one of 19% voters in the USA  defending that BS.    Now you came up with shit defending  such practices - so we all.know what you are a a fraudulent liar n par with Bden.  In post after post you attack honest people.  You apparently also beleived that the BS of insurrection on January 6 by unarmed people entering  the Capitol is true.    You found nothing  wrong  about that lie.and is now attacking anybody who said about a thousand unarmed people entering  any area present do not amount to an insurrection?

I believe that you support the media BS totally.   When a  number of polls indicate that the US Government funding of Ukraine is not supported by the votrs  - you produced a Gallop poll that said the opposite.  But a Gallop poll 14 daqys  later inmdicated that Biden's approval rating  of  Biden's conduct is 38%  approval  relating to handling of the Ukraine situation?   So 38% support his conduct but 62%  support the conduct of him as to funding the Ukraine Government at a rate of near to $200 billion is true?.       How can anyome come up with such  contradictory BS?

I can quote a largve number ofc cases where fact is ignored by you and you believce fiction?          .      

You defended the indefensible - how crazy are you?  

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Mike saying Mozzzie is as big a liar as Biden is no stretch. The loon is a compulsive liar. One lie after another.

He is also stupid. What sort of idiot would try and say fair elections were held where no identification was necessary, signature verification never happened in many instances, Tens of millions of mail in ballots flooded America with no control as to who filled them n. with a hopelessly compromised election machines etc etc etc.

mozzie stumbles from one disaster to another.

The key issue now is to fire as many Uniparty Rinos as possible. Mozzzie must go and join the demonrats where he belongs.

Anybody today saying J6 was an insurrection is an ignorant nutcase or a huge liar. An unarmed group was supposed to have attempted to overthrow the government. Fortunately the whole fabrication is collapsing.

Neither Trump nor the J6 prisoners have ever be tried or convicted of an insurrection because an insurrection never happened. What clearly happened was a vast entrapment programme as the evidence proves.

Beemo 

Wrong.  The Colorado Supreme Court ruling  that  Trump was an insurrectionist in disbarring  him from being  candidate.as a  publicity stunt.

You moron the US federal government doesn’t set the identity requirements for voters….that is set by each individual state. You really should educate yourself before making these bombastic  statements. 

I’m definitely in favor of proper identification of each individual voter. And in my experience a rigorous process of identification takes place before you are eligible to vote.

This is not what got Biden elected….Trump did that,

My sister in-law lives in Florida and has for 20 years prior to the election in question.

Upon arriving at the voting station in Tampa (her district) and provinding her documents as required to vote she was informed that she had already cast her vote.

She protested and lodged an appeal and was informed after a so called investigation that she had submitted a postal vote which had been received seven days prior to the election day.

A copy of the vote was eventually shown to her and the signature on the postal vote was not her signature.

Not going to go into detail about what happened after that but if that happened in Florida can you imagin what took place in many voting districts around the States.

Just think of all the postal votes received from folks over 125 years old who have been buried for years and then double and treble postal votes on top of that.

But wait that appears to be fine with some bloggers on this site with one even claiming that Biden outsmarted Trump in the debates.

Politics is dirty no matter where or what country it is and it ain't the system it is the people who are hell bent on gaining Power and then holding onto it at all costs.

Just look at the clown that is President at this moment.

Who in their right mind could and would vote for a prick like him.

I know of one person at least on this site who would and probably did.

Shocking.

Joe Biden did a better job in the final debate on Thursday, according to a CNN Instant Poll of debate watchers. Overall, 53% of voters who watched the debate said that Biden won the matchup, while 39% said that President Donald Trump did.

Viewers once again said that Biden’s criticisms of Trump were largely fair (73% said they were fair, 26% unfair), and they split over whether Trump’s attacks on Biden were fair (50% said yes, 49% no).

That’s a more positive outcome for Trump. In a CNN Instant Poll after the first presidential debate, just 28% said they thought the President had won the debate, and 67% called his criticism of Biden unfair.

CBS News survey of 1,039 likely voters who reported watching the debate was released immediately after it finished. 83 percent of respondents said its tone was negative while 69 percent reported that the debate made them feel annoyed. So who do respondents feel came out on top? The CBS survey found that 48 percent think Biden won the debate while 41 percent consider the president the winner. 10 percent say that the debate was a tie. Going into last night's event, CBS elections and survey director Anthony Salvanto said on air that the results of the poll are pretty close to the levels of support for both candidates>

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Trump lost the debates to a man that could hardly connect two  simple thoughts. A complete flub in the debates….a complete flub  in the COVID briefings. That’s why he lost the election. 

Ok 

We agree on one thng and that is the problem relating  to identification of voters,   

The problem is that States suspended appliction of their own laws due to the Covid 19  pandemic.   For instance the drop boxes system was forbiddn in  Wisconsin election law -  and when the system was suspended by the Governor the matter was taken to court and the courts ruled against it.   The ruling was not adhered to.and the drop box systtem was allowed and the votes counted. 

In Arizona the voters were to be registered and registartion closed a month before the election date.   That  condition was not applied in the 2020 election.   The women in charge of elections (Hobbs)  suspended thatc condition and when people were found to be not registered as voters they were registered evcen on election day and there was an operation in play even on election day that there was an office operating registration of voters in a parking bay area in Phenix .    These people were the allowed to vote on election day after registration took place on the day and the result was chaotic..   The same day registration was allowed to vote anyway.   The problem was two-fold the registartion of the relevant voters were only temprarily for voting purposes on election day and never added to the election role and removed from the role within days from the voting and the result was that the same-day reigstered voters was not placed on the voters role pemanentlly and when the  issue was checked afterwards it was found that there were 57 000 votes cast where the votes could not be linked to registered votes on the voters role.   It ws found lso that votes who moved from Maricopa County voted in their new couinties and also in Maricopa County.   That w in fact showed up aa a problem, but to charge the 17 000 voters who did it was impossible because the Maricopa voters  who voted by mail in ballots did not use idenfitification but was done by signature identification and not ID cards.   Due to the massive number of  mailng in votes mailed in and the identification law condition was not adhered to .   What happened  ws actually illegal.    Initially in terms of law the  signatures were supposed toc omplay with the law in full - the condition was then lowered to 80% compliance and aftrwards  thn reduced to 50% compliance and in the end totally ignored. due to the number of votes mailed in.    The same problem was even to a greater degree in Pennsylvcania,    

The fact what I am driving  at that State officials should not be allowed to suspend application of their own election law - which they did on the basis of the Covid pandemic.   On that basis huge numbers of votes were allowed based on these law suspensions.   There were in fact 23 court case applications lodged against the suspension of the State election laws to cater for mail-in votes due to the pandemic.    Such suspensions were declared invalid  by the Courts in 14 cases before election day - but those cout decisions were ignored and the votes actually counted.    The other 9 application rulings were supposed to be givens wer not followed up since the election already took place was ignored by the local counting officials and the votes counted.    

Biden never lifted the mandates relating to Covid  and the problem si that the maintenance of application remains a problem that could result from that issue when it came to elections and the fact that suspension of election laws by State officals should be submitted to the Supreme court for a ruling before election day.    Such an application is likely to be submitted to the Supreme Court for a ruling that officials are not to be allowed to suspend application of election law of States as happened in numerous states in 2020.    

There were two issues in Georgia which related to the 2020 election and which led to the state changing heir election law and the one ws voting by people in the name of others and thousands of voters who tuned up to vote in Atlanta and its subburbs were told they have voted already.    Some of the voters were allowed to cast their ballots  witg a p[romise that the other votes mde in their nams would be cancelled. but thre was a suspision that the votes to be cnacelled was actually counted.    In the case of the two women you referred to that won their case there was a rather unique problem in the case of the Fulton country votecounting.     While the counting  was still on the go - it was  at about minight that the water supply to the counting centger waas suspended due to a water cut to the center. and all counters and suprervisors of politica parties were told to go home and that counting was suspended to the next day.   However  the two women concerned remaqined behind and pulled out suitcases in which there were votes and fed the summaries attached to the "suitcase votes" from under tables and fed the "results reflected on the "suitcase votes" into the computer.   The mistake the two women made was they did not turn off the security cameras and they were shown on them what actually happened.    As a result of that video recordings and complaints by people that they could not vote because somebody already voted in their names led to Kemp - the Governor of  Georgia and his Secretary of State (who did not adhere to he Trump allegations at the time) initiated a legal investigation into the election and found that there were major fraud problems in Fulton County.    That investigtion resulted in a finding that there were cases of fmajor fraudulent voting in especially Fulton County and charge will now be laid especially against the two women who sued  Giulani in a court in Washington DC, who ruled that the two must be paid damages,     the Judge giving the latter ruling did not allow for the security camera evidence to be used in the Guiulani case and the higher courts is likely to overruled her ruling on appeal and the two women is going to face chages relating to the 2020 election.\

The problem to my mind is that local politico's should not be allowed to suspend laws themselves based on the Covid 19 pandemic.    The court rulings themselves on the issues was then ignored by the oiofficials concerned.   and they used their suspensions to be adh ered to in the election in 2020.

There are eivdnec also of dead people voting  in th 2020 election and I mentioned earllier that the problem was in court before in California and the court ruling was not implemented in respect of over 5,8 million voters. remained on th voting registered based on a law passed by the California House and signed by Newsom that it is illegval to remove voters from the role.   Those voters are still on the role in California.    Th at should never be the case from a legal perspective.   What complicate matters firther is that it is a fact that more than a millions voters l migrated from California since 2010  and 2020 - the reduction of the numbe of H ouse seats lost - ie 3 in the case of California and 8 iro the whole USA  - was proof of that.   Those voters are still on the California voters role and in terms of the lattest law may not eb removed from the voters riole.    There were some weord cases invovled.   for example a family that moved from California to Nevada received letters of appreciation and thanks fom the Caliornia Democratic Party for voting for them in the 2020 election.   They in fact did not vote at all in Califonia.   and the rule about signature usage for identification purposes were not applied in 2020 as well..   

The situation is in fact that the voters roles of States should be checjked to ensure that dead people are removed from the role by linking the registration fo deaths resulting in immdeiate removal from the pensin lists adn from the voters  role.   That suystem of remoal is applied in S A and happens the moment a death is registered and fed into the computer system.    The other issue where I think fraudulnt vcoting could be stopped ws that the moment people moved from one countio t another within states or out of states there registration of voters should eb terminated in the counties they moved from and rgisted in teh counties they moved to.   That is also the case in SA and I found th situation that my regitration as a voter in the Western Cape resulted in cancellation fo my registration in KwaZulu-Natal.   That tyepe of thing should be made compulsory in the USA.    Why can the registration of internal  migrant voters from. one state to another not be controlled by a similar relatively minor computr system application not possible in the USA.   I realize that the problem is that the States and not the Federal Government is resonsible fo the votings systems - that type pf thing should be implemented by a Supreme Court decision and if States do it by legislation may be regarded as breach of the Constitution by individual States.

I dxo noahve enough knowledge of computer usage of couning purposes  and that independent auditors should pehaps review the systems used to ensure that thee are nio linkage of machines t the internet and that pograms tdo not make changes t h voting and ciunting problems.    ad most other people cannot suspend the Dominion comapny frpm being condemned of paiciation in elecion fraud astemming from a court ruling against Fox News.

In summay - there obviosuly are poblems in the case of procedural problems - but that could eb eliminated by application fo teh State laws and where thee afre questionable las passed by state elgiaslatuyre complianants should go through the court processes and whee rulings were already given by courts on lower levels and not implemented should go to the Supreme Court for final consideration and enforcement  by State officialds.   If they are doing things against court orders they should b charged and prosecuted for  lawbreaking. and if they are found guilty they should be jailed.    I think another abuse system that should be decared unconstitutionl by the Supreme court is prohibiton of State laws proving for abllot ah rvesting after elecion day.  

An xample was in he house elections in 2018 in San Diego.   In thee house seats previouslyheld by republicans the thee REpublican candidates lead by 252 000  votes in the three House Distruicts.   In the following  14 days after the  lection day a total of 256 000 vote were "harvested" in terms of the claifiornia lelection law. and the 3 districts ws won by the Democrats.   In 2020 the d emcoratic arty lost all thee the applicable H ouse seats.    Aside from California there are a number of states like Aizona, Colorado, Washibgton, Oregon and Nevada that have laws allowing fro voe harvesting and that is to my mind legally not sound.   Vote harvesting legislation  should eb declared as unconstitutional since party agents use i to collect extra votes.   

In essense I look at the issue not from a political pespective - but  from a legal perspectivce based on what happened in abusing legislation as a meas to aenahcne faudulent elections.   What Biden tried was to  implement the Califonia system coutryide - but the Supreme Court would not have anything to do wut that proposal since it  violatesd the Constitution.    So the spreme Court is the only institution that can rule on that one.    It is unlikely that would  condone anything stemming from abuses in cases where people moved from one state to another.          .   .                                        

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