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Iran vs Israel Kick Off Time

Started by sharkbok26 REPLIES2,132 VIEWS· 13 Apr 2024, 22:45
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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
13 Apr 2024, 22:45
#1
13 Apr 2024, 22:45#1

It seems Iran has fired drones towards Israel, with an ETA of around 6 hours

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
14 Apr 2024, 01:00
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14 Apr 2024, 01:00#2

The world is paying now paying the price for not taking out Iran decades ago(remember the hostage crises) they should have given them a good old fashioned lesson instead they were allowed to grow military stronger, more boisterous and bolder.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Apr 2024, 02:09
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14 Apr 2024, 02:09#3

Depressing stuff that has no apparent end. And after Iraq nobody thinks nation building works especially with these religiously based states. It’s a dangerous trip wire for the world.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
14 Apr 2024, 02:59
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14 Apr 2024, 02:59#4

In the meantime China rubs it hands in glee while America is stretched. The west needed a decisive victory in Ukraine instead there's Trump pulling the pin from the sideline ensuring another Afghanistan like disaster.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Apr 2024, 07:05
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14 Apr 2024, 07:05#5

 Denny

The West has no chance to win the war in Ukraine starting  because the USA undermined peace negotiations on the basis that the arms provided to Ukraine is so advanced  that the Russians will lose the war and in the process the Russian Government will be replaced by puippets like the USA did in Ukraine in 2014.

Rusia has arms three times more effective than the USA arms provision is capable of and the Ukraine army is running  out of manpower as well.    A third of the Ukraine poluation have fled to EU countries - mostly to protect their children from being  thrushed  into the Ukraine army and killed  by superior weaponry.

The whole issue here is not Ukraine - which is a NATO proxy war initiated by the USA.   Fact is it is only a minor issue from the world stability perspective that went down the drain under the Biden Regime.    

The USA cannot do anything  about the ME issue - which they fucked up royally since 2000.   The USA left behind an estimated $85 billion worth of armaments  when they fled from Afghanistan and those armaments are pitching up in Iran as well and from there to Hmas and Hezbollah as wel as the Houthies in Yemen.   ,   

The nasty part is that Iran, Egypt, Saudi-Arabia and the Gulf States are members of BRICS and there is nothing the USA can do about it.   The US Army is now the weakest it has been since 1918 and the NATO armies - other than Turkey - also a BRICS applicant - is pathetic.   The situation is clear  - if Biden is re-elected in November the Chinese will attack Taiwan and South Korea within six months and there is zero the USA  under a weak and corrupt President can do to prevent it.

Next target  of China will be Australia and that will happen sooner than you may think - lets put it at 2030 at the latest.     By then democacy in the USA will be des troyed and the Chinese and Arabs already has in excess of 100 000 terrorists and soldies allowed into the USA through the Open Border policy of Biden.   And once those go live - the USA will be destroyed from within.   

Don't say you have not been warned                     .    .    .                              .        .       

  


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Apr 2024, 13:07
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14 Apr 2024, 13:07#6

Drivel alert.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Apr 2024, 13:15
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14 Apr 2024, 13:15#7

This from The NY Times:

Iran last night launched more than 300 drones and missiles in retaliation for an apparent Israeli strike on an Iranian embassy two weeks ago. Iran’s attacks caused minor damage at one military base, and shrapnel seriously injured a 7-year-old girl from an Arab Bedouin community in southern Israel. But Israel intercepted most of the drones and missiles. The U.S. and Jordan also shot some down.

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So they managed to seriously injure one Bedouin child of seven…..and that’s retribution? That child is a symbol of how pointless this whole ME conflict is.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Apr 2024, 13:20
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14 Apr 2024, 13:20#8

"The west needed a decisive victory in Ukraine instead there's Trump pulling the pin from the sideline ensuring another Afghanistan like disaster."

Oh it's his fault, not the idiot whose actually supposed to be in charge in the Whitehouse?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
14 Apr 2024, 13:37
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14 Apr 2024, 13:37#9

Think Iran didn't want the attack to do much damage. Following the Israeli attack on their embassy in Syria they undoubtedly felt they had to respond but they gave the American and Israeli's ample warning and probably expected that the vast majority of the drones and missiles to be shot down.

It's something they can sell at home as a large scale response and lie about its effectiveness while also believe they have putting Israel on warning about their capabilities but at the same time the fact that it didn't kill anyone or do much damage might mean the Israeli's won't respond too harshly or America might constrain then from doing much. But given its Netanyahu in charge of Israel you can only expect a significant response from Israel.

I think privately Netanyahu would be all too happy to have the war expand. It keeps him in power and quite possibly out of prison.

Oh it's his fault, not the idiot whose actually supposed to be in charge in the Whitehouse?

The current military setbacks for Ukraine are absolutely Trump's fault. The aid is being blocked by MAGA Republican's at Trump's behest for his own political gain. He want's Ukraine to fall under Biden's watch so he can say its his fault and he should of negotiated and he (Trump) would of sorted it all had he been in charge. All of Russia's recent gains are down to the withholding of  that military aid.

I never want to hear a Trump supporter claim Biden makes America look weak when its Trump who's actively aiding and abetting Russia's war of aggression at this point.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Apr 2024, 16:23
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14 Apr 2024, 16:23#10

"He want's Ukraine to fall under Biden's watch so he can say its his fault and he should of negotiated and he (Trump) would of sorted it all had he been in charge. All of Russia's recent gains are down to the withholding of  that military aid."

What utter nonsense!!!

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
14 Apr 2024, 16:27
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14 Apr 2024, 16:27#11
Sorry its the truth. 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Apr 2024, 16:35
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14 Apr 2024, 16:35#12

So America and America alone is responsible and capable of funding supporting Ukraine in their efforts to resist Russia...and Donald Trump is preventing it from happening just for the sake of saying that it wouldn't have happened under his watch?

BS of the highest degree...well the big sh!t in Ukraine started in 2014...and nothing escalated in the 4 years from 2016 when Trump got elected...so T has a point.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Apr 2024, 16:59
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14 Apr 2024, 16:59#13

Stav

You m,ust be a bot ou of touch with  reality.    Support for the voters in an election year counts a hell of a lot.   And support of .the funding of Ukraine is down and out at present.    The poor and working class people are suffering badly and at least 49 million people in the USA are fed by food banks - they cannt due to inflation afford enough food to feed themseelces and their familiess.    Opposition againstn the war comes from especially the Black and Hispanic voters.   A s a result of the poor economy they suffer under - the Blacks and Hispanics for economic reasons and for the influx of 9 million people illegally entered the USA  and are now being  housed and better helped than the US Citizens are deserting the Demcoratic Party in millions.   

I give you an example - in 2020 Biden got 80% of the male voters in the Black Community and 87% of the female votes,    According to opinion polls the Black support of Biden is down to 52% of the Black male voters and 68% of the female voters,   In 2020 57% of the Hispanics voted for Biden.  That support is now down to 42%,   According to the voters CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME - THEY REALLY ARE PISSED OFF.  Watch the following  video clip and you may get thmessage:-

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6350809890112

As to provision of arms to Ukraine you must also be in delusion.   After the coup in 2014 and the Civil War started in 2014 - Obama refused to provide armaments to Ukraine - he was scared stiff by fear of what he Russians would do.    That continued until Trump took over in 2017.   He auhorized $1 billion in aid to Ukraine and transferred the money to the Ukraine Govenment.   To his horror he found in 2018 that US politicians like Pelosi and Schiff got kickbacks from the Ukraine Arms Manufacturer Stepanek.    In 2019 he instructed the Department of State and  the Treasury to work out a procedure to stop the kick-back system - which  operated worldwide iro of all US AID Projects,    He also decided to not give the leaky and corrupt Ukrainians money - so he bought arms in the USA and sent the arms to Ukraine. 

Trump always negotiate from a position of strength - the corrupt Biden is the exact opposite - and being known for being corrupt as well leaders of countries like the BRICS members regard him as useless and that i s why he would not negotiate a peace agreement about Ukraine.   In the end it was not Trump that instructed the Republican members of the House who made a proposal to Biden to close the Mexican border and stop the flooding of illegal migrants into the USA and they will consider graning of aid to Ukraine,   Biden refuised the offer and tried to sneak through the Ukraine AId and proposing a law that would limite dthe influx to 1,8 million people a year.   The Republicans refused to agree to that one and the situation is deadlocked in the House.

Trumps only response to the Ukraine War is clear.   End the War though negotiation - if hew was in charge in Washington there would have been no War,    Putin would not play ball with him like he does with Biden.    If Trump took over negotiations Ukraine would retain most of the territory also the areas they lost already in the war.     They would be forced to adopt a new Constitution for Ukraine and that would have to be approved by the voters in a referendum  and the skunks at present in charge of Ukraine will have to flee the country - since the people will take their revenge on them if they remain in Ukaine.

The world since Biden took over became unstable and war are now the norm and if he is re-elected in November more wars will inevitably start.    Many erstwhile allies of the USA is deserting them and joined BRICS and BRICS have a long list of applications from other allies of the USA - Turkey be one - and the Turks have the only decent standing army in Europe.

Things are looking dim for the world with a corrupt idiot in the WH.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
14 Apr 2024, 17:28
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14 Apr 2024, 17:28#14
So America and America alone is responsible and capable of funding supporting Ukraine in their efforts to resist Russia.
Strawman argument, where did I say America alone is responsible for funding Ukraine alone. They actually are capable of it but I never said they should. Europe actually has given Ukraine more funding to Ukraine at this point than the US has. The difference is the US actually has the military equipment stockpiles to hand, much of which be near end of life hand me downs that would eventually be decommissioned sooner or later anyway.
and Donald Trump is preventing it from happening just for the sake of saying that it wouldn't have happened under his watch?
He is preventing the release of $60 billion in aid by getting his supporters in the US congress to prevent the required bill from passing just to damage Biden in an election year. Because if Ukraine are put into a desperate situation in the coming months he can say look I would have made Ukraine negotiate a deal that would have been better than what they now have, or if he does become President again and Ukraine is desperate he can lean on them to end the war and then say to his base look I ended the war aren't I wonderful peace maker.
BS of the highest degree...well the big sh!t in Ukraine started in 2014...and nothing escalated in the 4 years from 2016 when Trump got elected...so T has a point.
BS of the highest degree...well the sh!t in China started in 2019...and nothing happened in the 3 and quarter years from 2020 when Biden got elected...so B has a point.
That's the same insane level of logic you are applying here.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Apr 2024, 18:26
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14 Apr 2024, 18:26#15

BS of the highest degree...well the big sh!t in Ukraine started in 2014...and nothing escalated in the 4 years from 2016 when Trump got elected...so T has a point.

 Do you eve read the news other than propaganda?     There arre ndicatisons that the attack on Taiwan will start in 2025 and their attacks will include South Korea a well.     China has Biden by the shorts,

China wanted Biden in the WH - because they knew every detail of his corrupt  activities in China.   So what are they going to do fearing Biden - zero is the answer.    Flights into Taiwan ai space is regular and they created islands in the Chinese sea and those places are vsited by navy ships regularly.     With Biden re-elecred  it would not be necessary to deal with him/ at all - and if they do communicate with Biden he would look like the fool he already is.      

There were actually a civil war in Ukraine starting in 2014,     In his electiom campaign in 2019 Zelenskyy promised he voters that if he is elected  he would stop the civil war through negotiations - that was the reason why a huge majority  in the country voted for him.  He soon find out he had no say on the isue at all - final decisions are taken in Washington and coneyed to him together with Billions in aid.   There is no auditing of any money since there is no control over what the money was used for.     Trump did not tell people to do things on an instruict basis/    He listened to people when they complain about suffering at present - he response that he would correct it and allow a situation where people can benefit like they did in 2019.                

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Apr 2024, 18:46
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14 Apr 2024, 18:46#16

Stav, you assume too much.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
14 Apr 2024, 19:38
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14 Apr 2024, 19:38#17
I'm just stating the obvious.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Apr 2024, 01:46
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15 Apr 2024, 01:46#18

The bison  are in shorts?

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Apr 2024, 02:10
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15 Apr 2024, 02:10#19

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Apr 2024, 06:30
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15 Apr 2024, 06:30#20

Why does Islam so often turn out to be a kak idea?

1960s Iran...apparently this is a fashion add from back then. 



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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
15 Apr 2024, 09:10
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15 Apr 2024, 09:10#21
The competition between DumbMike and Beeno for the most self-deluded person on the planet is heating up.

Never before has someone confused their own opinions and misinterpretations as facts.
A simple creature that shows the depths that humanity can decent into.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Apr 2024, 10:04
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15 Apr 2024, 10:04#22

I do have mym own opinions li.ke any omne s hou,ld in life.  The proble is that people like y ou have no opinions of thir own and became idiots throuh brainwashing and lies being beleived by you - no thinking ability at all is in evidence.

Take for isnatcne the Zelenskyy election camaign in 2019 - what I rote came from Wikipedia - not anym apther ublication.   an easy question to ask - why did Zlenskyy not live up o his promises on negotiation ata ll?   What si clear the USA did not allow him to do so.   What other reasons can you think of for that anbsence in negotiations after he ebcam President in 2019?    Thinking  is totally beyond yur present abilities.  

The depths of humanity relates directly to idiots like  you that does not have one beleivable thinking contribution on site,   You were lied to for 6 years about Russian collusion by the media - ywt you did not learn a thing from that one.   The people in the USA knows about it and they did  learn not to trust lying politicians and their media side-kicks,    You have learned nothing from it - showing ou are indeed redu ed to idiot level by brainwashing.    So try again dumbo.     .              

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Apr 2024, 10:40
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15 Apr 2024, 10:40#23

1960s Iran...apparently this is a fashion add from back then.

Yeah I seen photo's from Iran from that time era before. Such a shame what happened to it.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Apr 2024, 10:51
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15 Apr 2024, 10:51#24

I recently watched a documentary on Iran which was presented by Joanna Lumley. I gained a different perspective of the people and the country, clearly nothing wrong with the people there's a helluva lot wrong with their politics and religious zealots .

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Apr 2024, 22:17
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16 Apr 2024, 22:17#25

What happened in the Muslim cuntries started  go wrong when the Linerals in the West started supporting Muslim extremism by supporting regime change in Musim countries  such as Iran in the 1970's when people like Ayatollah Khomeini were supported by elements in the USA  and UK to take over power in Iran and they became totally controlled by Muslim fanatics.   The same happened in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Once te fanatics get nto power they turn the countries concerned into terrorist havens,   Since he 1970's the policies as to human rights has been distoreted  to promote entry into countries of millions of Muslims into Europe, Canada and the USA - many of them having  been radicalized.     

The EU countries, the USA and  Canada encouraged Muslims - many of them radicalized - as migrants into their countries and a uge pecenage of such people they allowed in was radicalized an a source of danger to dmocacy in the countries concerned,   It cost the countries concerned dearly - prominent examples are 9/11 attacks in the USA in which thousands o people died, the 2008 attacks in London and moe recenly the atacks in France.    

While Christianity is being aundr attack in Western Countries Islamic fanatcism was in many ways protected and even promoted.    Instead of protecing the EU countries and the USA from extremism the Libreras support the tendency.    Western policies were alays based on political self-interest such as the case is in the USA at present.    Under Clinton, Bush Junior and Obama Muslim were encouraged to move to the USA  and now they have millions of those radcaized zealots in their own countries.     While there was some limits put in place by Clinton and Bush Junior - those limits were undermined  by Obama and totally destroyed by Biden.   

When the October attacks on Israel by Hamas tens of thousands of Muslims took to the street to protest against  Israel  and in the US A the situation took nasty siuations where Jewish tudets in the Univesities had to be kept  under protection in univristies libararies because of threats to their lives should they go home.     The fact is at present that even Jewish leadrs in the USA ike Schumer supported the idea of regime change in Israel to romote self-destruction of Israel.

Another example is to what is happening in the US A  was evdenced in the USA primaries wer clear example of the Muslims having Biden by the short in states like Minnesta and Michigan.   would not suport Biden in the primary election demanding that the USA act against Israel and did not vote for Biden because of proposals to support israel by weapon support and similar amounts paid for huminarian aid to Hamas,    

Extreme leftwing policies do not solve the problem of radicalism - it in fact enhances it.   The flooding of Muslim radicals through the Biden Open Border policies is an example.    Amongst the hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants there were hundreds of thousands from Muslim radicalize countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran and other ME counries,    What si coming will make 9/11 look like a Sunday school picnic.    

As a matter of fact  I saw a video where radical Isalanis  how to shout Death to Israel and Deah to America an the Americans at the meeting applaused him for it,   what cause the Amerians at the meerting  applauding the instructor.   What make Ameican citizens  hate their coutry so much.    What has gone wrong  in the USA?         Is it the result of the  Woke Cutture?.   ,        .             .   .             

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Apr 2024, 01:08
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17 Apr 2024, 01:08#26

another day....another Shitory.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Apr 2024, 09:15
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17 Apr 2024, 09:15#27

Another day - another brainwashed  person being  unable to think for himself and denies reality.     By the waqy that kbnife attack on eople in a church - as that another Woke character or just another prson beleiving in the same BS as you do?    .    

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