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Is the USA still a DEMOCRACY?

Started by clevermike18 REPLIES779 VIEWS· 18 Feb 2020, 23:19
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2020, 23:19
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18 Feb 2020, 23:19#1

Mozart   and  AJH


Please tell me this is not happening!!!!


I  read in  various articles that the judiciary in dealing with Policy is being undermined  from  within.   In  the latest  story I read Bioomberg  through his foundation  pay lawyers he appointed to work in State Attorney’s  offices  controlled by the DP   and  effectively undermine Government policies  he and effectively the Democrats  do not  like.

Soros on the other hand is even moré crude -  he funds the candidates whom he  selected to  ensure that certain crimes  are not prosecuted thus undermining the  FBI and other police services in their execution of their duties and cause the collapse of the Justice system.


If that indeed is the case then the USA is no longer a Democracy.   It is a Dictatorship of the wealthy  who decide how the country should be run  irrespective of what the voters voted for,

     

If it is indeed true the fact is it is the sabotage of the policies of the Government  the people  voted into power.  It is treason of the highest order and unless  something  is not done about it  they might as well cancel the November election and decide  to formalize the  Dictatorship.


This  means also that the DP is the front for the capitalist bosses dictatorship    No wonder the ancient Greeks said democracy is a bad form of Government since it is wide open  for scoundrels to take over the Government  through demagoguery  and corruption,   If the above is true the USA is in an era of failure  of Democracy,   


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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
18 Feb 2020, 23:25
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18 Feb 2020, 23:25#2
Simpleton, the Greeks never said that. It was Socrates who said it (a greek). Greeks were the first known democracy, so they would have voted for something else...

Why Socrates Hated Democracy -The Book of Life

The latter of course, says Adeimantus, so why then, responds Socrates, do we keep ... And Socrates knew exactly where that would lead: to a system the Greeks ...0k
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26 Jun 2009 - Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others. “It is frequently claimed that Churchill said this (or words to that effect).
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2020, 23:40
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18 Feb 2020, 23:40#3

Was Socrates not a Greek Philosopher  you close up idiot?   The  Greeks  regarded a democracy as rule by he educated and  economy financial contributors - not the junk  we now told it is.

Anyway you are too stupid to realize what the problem is and so please try and think before you write tripe on the site.             

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
18 Feb 2020, 23:47
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18 Feb 2020, 23:47#4

...not so clevermike it.s a kleptocracy-the Roman Empire was also looted as it burned..

four-signs-us-creeping-towards-kleptocracy-under-trumps-watch/


Fat Donny's rule a Dicktatorshi p? has also been described as a Kakistocracy with the emphasis on the KAK...

Democracy as a description works  if you consider it has been descibed by Gandhi  as a diluted form of Nazism or Facsism

Plutocracy also could describe America but/would-you-recognize-a-plutocracy-if-you-saw-one/


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sharkbokCaptain23,216 posts
19 Feb 2020, 00:07
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19 Feb 2020, 00:07#5
A close up idiot?  Do we now get a different type of camera views for idiots? Close up, long shot - medium shot. 
Yes, Socrates questioned Democracy and was Greek, but he was only one person, with one vote. How can you generalize what one person said as the opinion of the everyone, particularly within the context that they were the first people to practise democracy, and he himself lived in that era? 

The Greeks did not let everyone vote. Socrates wanted the % of the population that voted to be less. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Feb 2020, 00:57
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19 Feb 2020, 00:57#6

Greek Philosophers  had a number of adherents who worked with them and they were  not alone I what they deal with,  Anyway what Sokrates said is not the real issue - it is what happens in  yjer USA at present is.            

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Feb 2020, 01:00
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19 Feb 2020, 01:00#7

Brycy

There is zero proof of what is written and quoted by you.    

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
19 Feb 2020, 02:02
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19 Feb 2020, 02:02#8

...notsoclevermike yr well too far down the rabbit hole to  possess any objectivity..


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Feb 2020, 05:54
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19 Feb 2020, 05:54#9

Russia, Russia, Duh, Duh!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Feb 2020, 06:07
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19 Feb 2020, 06:07#10

Brycy

And you are objective?    

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Feb 2020, 06:13
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19 Feb 2020, 06:13#11

America is a constitutional democratic republic and not a normal democracy...there's a significant difference. 

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
19 Feb 2020, 08:11
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19 Feb 2020, 08:11#12

...sorry notso clevermike but all the evidence points to snake oil salesman Fat Donny being a corrupt POS that lies as easily as he breathes... but the white anxiety from the Trump[ dummies appears to blind them to the truth..


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Feb 2020, 12:46
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19 Feb 2020, 12:46#13

Brycy 

What evidence?  You put an article on site that made a lot of general statements - not one being factual and proven.     For instance the enriching himself - how does that happen?   Where did it happen?   When did it happen?

Obama when he became President declared his assets as $3,1 million.   Getting a salary of only $400 000 a year - he could hardly have saved any money and could not get rich through that,  Just after he left office in 2017 he bought 4 properties for $32 million and paid cash for it,  He later on claimed that he is going to make money from a book and a movie t o be made about his life - but none was paid before 2019,   The book is not out yet - the movie is not completed yet, the claim is that his assets are worth $80 million.   Where did all that money come from?         

The story about news media oppression.   The distortions by the liberal media are based on lies an misrepresentations that has been going on for three years,  The DP and media claimed that Trump was aided by Putin in becoming President.   There has been five investigations and no evidence was found.  But the story continues all the time.    The media is fortunate - they could have been sued many times for outright lies.

Trump has done things Obama and his corrupt aides never did.  He provided armaments to Ukraine - Obama refused to do so,  He tore up treaties in the past because Russia was not complying with it.   Obama and Co approved the sale of Uranium 1 shares to  a Russian state-owned enterprise - meaning that Russia now owns  20% of the USA strategic uranium reserve for which an amount of $142 million was paid to the Clinton Foundation.      

Trump associating  with dictators is also BS.  He is trying to get the US troops home from places like Korea and Afghanistan and the ME and the way to do that would only be through negotiation.   He is opposed in that by the greedy and corrupt Democrats who is fleecing recipients of aid money from Ukraine and other countries.

The stories about Trump provide NO proof ever - and none has been provided since he became President.   Obama appointed crooked minions to head the FBI and Justice Department  to avoid corruption investigations against his administration  and he worst thing that could have happened was the loss of Clinton in the 2016 election.   Since then the corrupt live in fear of being exposed and their only defense is to accuse Trump of what they have done themselves.  

The Democrats are the one who is striving to become a Dictatorship where they can loot and steal to their hearts content.                  

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Feb 2020, 13:05
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19 Feb 2020, 13:05#14

The more Trump wins the more ridiculous his detractor's tactics become. 

Brycy, for example, is reduced to irrational memes that he lifts from Huffington post. He's practically scraped the bottom out the barrel. Poor tit.

Trump is gonna win 2020 by a landslide Brycy. 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Get used to it. 

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Feb 2020, 13:52
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19 Feb 2020, 13:52#15
"Brycy, for example, is reduced to irrational memes that he lifts from Huffington post. He's practically scraped the bottom out the barrel."
Wehe . . . I wonder if Plum gets equally indignant when Baboon-ou copies and pastes the right wing drivel he finds on ultra conservative sites like Infowars, Gateway Pundit and the hilarious Conservapedia . . . because trust me, Huffington Post is moderate compared to those loony right links that Baboon-ou frequents.
As for Bozo winning 2020 in a landslide, who is disputing that as the most likely outcome? Please be specific.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Feb 2020, 14:48
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19 Feb 2020, 14:48#16

Rooiperv you should have mentioned The Liberty Daily, Citizen Free Press, Whatfinger and Daily Caller. ((There are many other great sites as well)

It's the reason the elite globalist MSM is crashing as to viewership and credibility. The fake news you are addicted is only given credence by a mere  8% of the American public.

You, if you lived in the States, would be among the top 8% most gullible people.

Face facts rooiperv you are an ignorant half baked imbecile. 

I always wonder why I am so polite to dear old rooitwit. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Feb 2020, 15:43
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19 Feb 2020, 15:43#17
Hmmmm. Memes have not quite been proven as reliable sources of facts. Especially if you want to talk about USA health care. 
Where health care is concerned, then probably the best place to start is here:

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Feb 2020, 15:50
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19 Feb 2020, 15:50#18

From CNN of all networks. Check the banner at the bottom of the screen: “Obamacare stumbles and fumbles”.

 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Feb 2020, 08:32
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27 Feb 2020, 08:32#19

"Attorney General William P. Barr Delivers Remarks at the 2020 National Religious Broadcasters Convention


Nashville, TN ~ Wednesday, February 26, 2020

Remarks as Prepared for Delivery


Craig, I appreciate the kind introduction. You have dedicated your career to advancing law and faith in an era when so many of our country’s influential institutions seek to undermine both, particularly religion. I thank you for your tireless work to counter this trend. I know that those here, and millions of the faithful across America and around the world, appreciate it too.


Good afternoon, everyone. It is wonderful to be in Nashville, and I am deeply honored to be with you at such an important gathering.


We live at a time when religion – long an essential pillar of our society – is being driven from the public square. Thank God we have the National Religious Broadcasters (NRB) to counter that effort. Since its creation in 1944, it has reached, and continues to reach, people from all backgrounds on a variety of platforms.


Your members courageously affirm that entertainment and moral education are not mutually exclusive. You have boldly shown that media can serve higher ends: the safeguarding of faith as well as the cultivation of the classical virtues of the mind and heart that maintain our republican experiment in self-governance. As such, NRB’s members offer an alternative and essential platform for believers and non-believers alike.


Now, I trust that everyone has noticed the current intensity and pervasiveness of politics in our lives. It has infiltrated and overtaken nearly every aspect of life: sports, entertainment, apparel, technology – of course, religion too – even our eating habits.


Politics is everywhere. It is omnipresent. Why is that?


It seems to me that the passionate political divisions of today result from a conflict between two fundamentally different visions of the individual and his relationship to the state. (1)One vision undergirds the political system we call liberal democracy, which limits government and gives priority to preserving personal liberty. (2)The other vision propels a form of totalitarian democracy, which seeks to submerge the individual in a collectivist agenda. It subverts individual freedom in favor of elite conceptions about what best serves the collective. 


In my view, liberal democracy has reached its fullest expression in the Anglo-American political system. This system is responsible for unprecedented human freedom and progress. We providentially enjoy its blessings today.


The wellsprings of this system are found in Augustinian Christianity. According to St. Augustine, man lives simultaneously in two realms. Each individual is a unique creation of God with a transcendent end and eternal life in the City of God. We are created to love our Creator in this world and become united with him in eternity. As Augustine writes in his Confessions, “You have made us for yourself, O Lord, and our heart is restless until it rests in you.”


At the same time, while we work toward our eternal destiny, we live in the temporal world – the City of Man. But this world is a fallen one. Man is stubbornly imperfect and prone to prey upon his fellow man. Unless there is a temporal authority capable of restraining the wicked – an authority with power here on earth – the wicked men would overwhelm the good ones and there could be no peace.


In the ancient Greek tradition, the state was a positive moral agency whose purpose was to define for men what was good and make them so. Augustinian Christianity sharply departed from that conception. It saw the state as a necessary evil, with the limited function of keeping the peace here on earth.

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