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Is this the real situation iro Ukraine seen from a ultra-liberal point of view

Started by clevermike20 REPLIES2,137 VIEWS· 11 Dec 2022, 11:21
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Dec 2022, 11:21
#1
11 Dec 2022, 11:21#1

The following is the video reference:-

Truth About Ukraine/Russia NOT What You Think - Bing video

I do have a reason to believe some elements of the video - with special reference to -

*    the coup in 2014 was organized and funded by the US Government;

*    the leadership taking over was determined by the USA - making the Ukraine a vassal state of the USA;

*    the corruption of the Biden family in Ukraine -  Biden even bragged about it in a video;

*    the existence of bio-labs in Ukraine - admitted by the USA - and funded through aid grants; and

*    the attacks on the Russian-speaking residents of the Eatsern Ukraine causing deaths of 14 000 in the Donbas area and a further 4 500 residents killed/murdered by the Asov Battalion in the area occupied by the Ukrainian army in the said area,

Some remark are not really true.   In the case of NATO membership the story is wrong.   The 1990-91 agreement was that NATO should not allow countries that was previously part of the USSR to join  NATO.   It includes the three Baltic countries (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia) and Ukraine.   The first 3 were admitted as members of NATO and that was followed by protests by Russia - but no action taken.    The main reason was that the first three were constitutional states with guarantees for protection of human rights - inclusive of Russian speaking people.

However, the 2014 coup resulted in destruction of the 1991 constitution of Ukraine and hence the protection of human rights in Ukraine.   The Ukrainian speakers in Ukraine became  willing partners of the Nazi's in WW2 and was not trusted by the Communist Party - ending in large areas of Russia which never before  were part of Ukraine being incorporated in Ukraine in 1953.   The Ukraine still had Nazi sympathizers operating by 1991.   Be it as it may the 2014 coup let to a civil war in Ukraine that despite the Minsk agreement where it was agreed that the then border of Ukraine be recognized - that a new constitution for Ukraine be agreed to - also pertaining to protection of Human rights - would be compiled and voted on in a referendum.

That was not acceptable to the USA and instead of forcing the new Government in Ukraine to agree to comply with the agreement, the USA sabotaged the agreement.       

   

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
11 Dec 2022, 11:36
#2
11 Dec 2022, 11:36#2

Liberals do not think. They just parrot what they are told but in a very incoherent and garbled verbal form. The Ukraine issue very clearly unveils not only their idiocy, but their lack of culture, morals, or any sense of decency. 

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
11 Dec 2022, 12:45
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11 Dec 2022, 12:45#3

Libtards become Ukro-fascists,what a GAS.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Dec 2022, 13:56
#4
11 Dec 2022, 13:56#4

Duplication

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Dec 2022, 13:56
#5
11 Dec 2022, 13:56#5

There seems to be division developing in the USA between the warmongers and the people who oppose billions of dollars be spent on a country which 80% of US residents do not even know where it is.   They would not even be able to point out on a Europe map where the country is.

One wonders why the US pump money into Ukraine to fight a proxy war against Russia instead of trying to reach a peace agreement.  Based on the conduct of the corrupt people of both US political parties in Ukraine it may be the answer why the war is continuing.    

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
11 Dec 2022, 14:11
#6
11 Dec 2022, 14:11#6

I read a good article from a Brit mercenary there in Ukraine. 

He mentions he was in a convoy with trucks loaded with weapons for the frontline. Two trucks just disappeared en-route,not a whiff of them.

I would speculate they went onto the black market and with countries such as Turkey nearby, used against the Kurds. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
11 Dec 2022, 14:50
#7
11 Dec 2022, 14:50#7

Putin has always planned to expand Russia by conquering Ukraine.
That has nothing to do with America or NATO.

That is what Russia do. They influence politics around the world by bribing people, and creating uprisings. 

Just because someone speaks Russian, it does not mean they are Russian. 
If someone speaks English, it does not mean they are English. If someone is born in Ukraine, they are Ukrainian. 

The only reason NATO even exists is because of Russia. 
Russia is run by KGB agents that are worse than the Mafia. 

Jimmy Dore is not a liberal. The people who watch his stuff are just backward people.
Western Muslims who worship a Muslim God. These "people" hate the West because religion is dying out in the West, and what was once the mainstream reality is now the alternative reality. 

We must make a vaccine that turns them into black people or transvestites. We dont need them in the 21st century. 



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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
11 Dec 2022, 15:13
#8
11 Dec 2022, 15:13#8

Hey, Sharkblik, take your meds boy.Who is we? 

I quote you:-

"We must make a vaccine that turns them into black people or transvestites. We dont need them in the 21st century." 

Jy soek kak



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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
11 Dec 2022, 16:30
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11 Dec 2022, 16:30#9
"We" is mainstream western culture. The alternative reality is Westerners that worship a Muslim God. An Abrahamic God. (Abraham was an Arab).
Although, even younger Muslims today are becoming far less religious and progressing past it as well.  In 30 years' time, what is left of Christianity and Muslim will merge into one religion. It will just be the backwards people.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
11 Dec 2022, 16:59
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11 Dec 2022, 16:59#10

These ideas if yours sound like a cult.... not "western ideology"

Vaccines, race hatred. Are you sure you not from N. Korea. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Dec 2022, 17:32
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11 Dec 2022, 17:32#11

The simple fact is Russia invaded a sovereign nation without provocation or any threat.  The only other recent parallel is the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. We had no problem saying that invasion should be reversed….no different in the case of the Ukraine.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Dec 2022, 18:57
#12
11 Dec 2022, 18:57#12

Mozart

Hugely different - the f act is the US undermined the country by funding and promoting corruption in the most corrupt country  in Europe.

Despite all the propaganda a third of the residents of Ukraine have Russian as the language they speak at home.   These people always support Ukraine and voted overwhelmingly to implement a constitution that guaranteed human rights for every Ukraine citizen.  That provision and in fact the whole constitution was nullified by the US sponsored coup in 2014.

Th e coup cancelled out also the special status the constitution awarded to the Crimea with its 85% ethnic Russian population and 10% Tartars and was given a Provincial Parliament that passed legislation relating to the Governance of  the Crimea.    When the residence being threatened by the Asov Battalion in particular the locals formed a  armed force to prevent the Ukraine from entering the Donbas area.   A Civil War broke out in 2014 and the Crimea  Parliament decided to call for a Referendum on the future of the Crimea. 

Despite a settlement at an international leaders' meeting in Minsk allowing for -

*     a ceasefire;

*     retaining the borders of the country' and

*     compilation of a new constitution to replace the one torn up during the coup.

Despite the agreement the Ukraine army kept bombarding small towns and even cities in the Dombas Region and in the process more than 14 000 civilians were killed during the continuing   civil war.    Over 4 500 Russian Speaking civilians were killed in Eastern Ukraine under the control of the Ukraine army.   

Oppression of Russians in Ukraine was total and many were killed because they dared to speak Russian in public.   

The German, French and Russian leaders tried repeatedly to solve the problems in Ukraine - without success, because of US undermining of any agreement.   

That was the situation when Russia invaded Ukraine.   That is vastly different from the situation in any of the cases you mentioned.

            

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Dec 2022, 19:12
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11 Dec 2022, 19:12#13
SB
Have you any proof whatsoever that it always was "the intent  f Putin" to conquer Ukraine.   If that was so why did Putin sign the Minsk Agreement, which guaranteed the borders of Ukraine.   He kept on supporting agreements on the issue - so your statement is shit always spread by you.
Your second paragraph is essentially true - the number of bribed US politicians cover Obama and the whole leadership of the Democrats is amazing.    
If somebody's home language is Russian it is clear that such a person is part of the Russian language and culture group in Ukraine.    Because many Ukrainians of both language groups are religious - your head crash could cause brain damage - so stop being an idiot.  
There is no sense in anything you write anyway.         
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
11 Dec 2022, 19:42
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11 Dec 2022, 19:42#14

Before Putin went in, he had talks with Ze twatsky about honouring their borders etc if they demilitarize the border and stay neutral. Rothschild puppet Macron came in beating his beta-male chest to disrupt it all. But Zetwatsky was looking for trouble anyway, as an American puppet. 


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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
11 Dec 2022, 21:22
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11 Dec 2022, 21:22#15
Anyone that supports Putin is a Nazi. Most of the West (and Democratic countries) is against Putin, regardless of political affiliation. It is just not a left or right-wing thing. 

The ones who do support Putin, are mostly backward religious people that are anti-Western.
They hate the West so much, they side with anyone who is against the West. 

They side with Iran and Russia because they are against the West. Iran and Iraq are the spiritual home of religion, not Israel. 


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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
11 Dec 2022, 21:54
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11 Dec 2022, 21:54#16

I don't know why atheists side with the Western ideology since their aspiritual home is

with Kim in N.Korea

If one wanted aspiritual desert then it's an atheist heaven in Kim's plek.

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
11 Dec 2022, 23:00
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11 Dec 2022, 23:00#17

North Korea are backward, but that has nothing to do with religion. They have a nutcase in control of the country. They used to be a decent country until Kim Jun's father destroyed the country. The people are prisoners. 

It is simple. Many Religious people are not Democratically minded people. They are authoritarian and more suited to a dictatorship like Putin or Iran, Iraq etc.

They have been brainwashed from a young age, and lack the intellect to work out what morals are right and wrong. Although, many people got exposed to the same brainwashing, but the smarter ones have not been victims of the brainwashing. 

Look at the AWB, they are/were Nazis. They bring God into disputes on earth, which is just silly. No one knows what "a" God would think, except the Arab one in the Bible. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Dec 2022, 23:49
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11 Dec 2022, 23:49#18

Agree with you about North Korea being backwards with a  nutcase as President - but backwardness in Governance seems the norm nowadays if one takes into account the USA and its mentally retarded nutcase President.

Totally irreligious BSters - Hitler, Stalin and Mao  - ran dictatorial countries in the past and in the process oppressed people.   Corrupt idiotic Biden claims he is religious and so does a large majority of the Blacks and Hispanics who voted for the Democrats     For every dictator being religious - I can name 6 that were dictators oppressing  religion.   So another shit in the head comment by you with the irreligious fanatics being the real threat to Democracy worldwide.

Are you one of the "smarter ones"?   You are the most brainwashed idiot on site unable to even think logically about anything and producing idiocy on site.

The AWB was a small splinter group and had no support from the churches at all - they were Nazi's just like nutcases like you are sympathizers with Communist and socialist dictatorships.   That is why you are so sympathetic with substantial influence of the Nazi's in the Ukraine Government and armed forces, as well as the dictatorial aspirations of the Democrats in the USA.      

                  

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
12 Dec 2022, 00:16
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12 Dec 2022, 00:16#19
The West has never been Communist... Wanting rich people to pay the same % of tax as everyone else is not socialist.

Your Hero Putin is a Communist dictatorship with "some" capitalists. He is the richest person in Russia. 

Allowing billionaires to pay no tax is authoritarianism. It is disappointing that 3% of the world's population owns 97% of the wealth.

However, what is totally ridiculous is that 97% of the wealth is not taxed at the same rate as the 3%. That is corruption with bribed politicians. It makes no sense. Educated people in the West (both right and left want a fair tax system).

The dumb rednecks actually want the richest to pay no tax, while they work in Mcdonalds paying a large portion of their earnings in tax.


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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
12 Dec 2022, 03:08
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12 Dec 2022, 03:08#20

Sharkblik.... you're the epitomy of an atheist cult figure.... the same as scientology and father Hubbard. Your vaccine idea reveals your evil and demonic thoughts. You and your crony atheist's are allies not with the West but with the devil. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Dec 2022, 07:55
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12 Dec 2022, 07:55#21

SB

You really specialize in BS.   The Democrats promised before the 2020 US election to tax the ultra-rich - one of the first actions of Biden was to reduce the taxation of the rich by administrative means.   The Democratic Party is near to totally funded by the ultra-rich in the USA and they made bloody sure they prescribe the policies of the Party.  

The second act of Biden was to include new provisions as to taxation of the ultra-rich in Omnibus Legislation that he knew would never be accepted by the Supreme Court because it was UNCONSTITUTIONAL.   That same Legislation include the election conditions that would never get through because even the Carter Foundation found it to be a recipe for election fraud.

So you blame the so-called Rednecks for everything opposing the Democratic Party policies.   The West has never been Communist is also a myth - Communism was rife in Italy and France and they were often part of short-lived coalition Governments.   East Germany was a communist country - so was Poland, Rumaina, Bulgaria, Hungary and the two artificial countries established after 1918 by the then allies.  The Baltic States were even part of the USSR.   So you are again spreading BS.   

The Communist Party is the second largest Political Party in Russia - the Party supporting Putin is not Communist - if anything they are against Communism.   That is a proven fact.   If the Communists were in fact in charge - you would support them just like you support the Democratic Party in the USA.  

Your shallow approach about taxation is BS.   Taxation has zero to do with the ideology of Communism or Fascism.   The nearest examples to Fascism was always based on Socialism as an alliance between the Rich and Socialist leaders - ie in Italy and Germany before WW2.   The best present examples are -

*    The Chinese Government; and

*    The Democratic Party Regime in the USA  controlled by the Ultra-Rich.

Communism is an ideology was never a factor in the USSR - it was a distortion of the Communist ideology to establish a dictatorship in that country.     The so-called Communist Regime fell in 1991 and the Communist Party was initially banned in Russia  and then unbanned in terms of the new Russian Constitution.   In the last Parliamentary election in Russia the All Russia Party (supporting Putin) got 48,2% of the votes - the Communist Party 17%.    Putin is not a Communist at all - further BS spreading is inevitable on your part. It has some elements of Fascism - but that is not worse than the capitalist control of the Democrats in the USA.   Religion is not banned in Russia - the undermining of religion is not equal to what is happening in the USA by the Democrats undermining the US Constitution.      

I have asked you repeatedly to think and read up what the real situations on issues are before you writer propaganda-based BS on site.     



                                        


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