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Is Trump guilty of High Treason iro the Syria Issue?

Started by clevermike14 REPLIES635 VIEWS· 18 Oct 2019, 11:30
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Oct 2019, 11:30
#1
18 Oct 2019, 11:30#1

The DP press claims he is guilty of High Treason because h did not act against Turkey - a NATO member trying to defend itself against terrorism on the part of elements within the Kurdish community years ago declared a terrorist organization by the us Government.   


Then also by allowing the Syrian Army to take over the control of the countries border - he is putting the Russians in control of fighting ISIS and abandoning the fight against ISIS.


Fighting between various Muslim sects have been going ion for a thousand years and more and there is no angels and no devils in those battles.   In the case of Turkey there are a terrorist organization that through bomb attacks killed thousands  of ordinary people in Turkey - yet the Kurds are regarded by some as "angels" because they fought against ISIS with the Americans.  The answer is simple - they did not fight against ISIS for any other reason than to protect their own interests.


The same can be said about any other constant wars in the Middle East - irrespective of which side you are on in the ME scenario you will end up on the wrong side.   You will find very little involvement other than arming the Syrian Government and some groups to basically fight in the Syrian Civil War and bombing raids from the air,  Russia's only interest really is  because a large percentage of ISIS leaders and members are form Chezniah - who has been in rebellion for years and launched huge terrorist operations even in Moscow.  The Russians are wise - they have learnt a bitter lesson in Afghanistan and their army involvement in Syria is in fact minimal compared to the involvement of EU countries and the USA in the mess, so why is Trumps actions benefitting the Russians????


The USA used to support the Iraq regime for years in the 1980's when Iraq was in a war against Iran.  When that war ended and Hussein attacked Kuwait the USA turned on Iraq and that ended up in two wars against Hussein for the benefit of whom?   Believe it or not - in ended in benefitting Iran and the creation of iSIS?   How did that benefit the USA?   It just cause havoc which ultimately caused further involvement of the USA in Iraq and Syria.


Maybe the warmongering DP and the USA Arms Industry are the only ones benefitting financially from the chaos in the ME.   The ordinary citizens in the USA are the only losers.  Like the Russians in Afghanistan - the USA should get out of the ME  and if countries get out of control launch a few missiles and air attacks when warranted to do so.  


This is NOT treason in my book and the warmongers are the real treasonous buggers in this case.   Am I wrong in feeling that way?              


                     

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 Oct 2019, 11:33
#2
18 Oct 2019, 11:33#2
"Am I wrong in feeling that way?"
Yes.
Ou Maaik, just to simplify things going forward, you are always wrong when it comes to things like politics, history and world events. No need to ever ask.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Oct 2019, 11:50
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18 Oct 2019, 11:50#3

I think that is rather a shallow response,  There are no way that involvement in the Muslim sectoral wars in the ME can ever be justified.   All that happened is that it leads to huge losses of life in the case of outsiders involved.  

Best advice get out and stay out of that unstable region .

Just give a reason for your statement about me being always wrong please?      

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sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
18 Oct 2019, 11:52
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18 Oct 2019, 11:52#4

You are wrong in blaming the democrats. Regardless of whether the Republicans or Democrats are running the US, America is always involved in oil wars and happy to sell weapons to both sides. 

America should not be involved in these wars, and the spineless UN should grow a pair and tell the US to mind its own business.

The US is the largest arms manufacturer in the world, and this benefits all of the US citizens as it grows their economy. Without war, the US economy would shrink. 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 Oct 2019, 12:07
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18 Oct 2019, 12:07#5
"Just give a reason for your statement about me being always wrong please?"
Ummmm . . . because you're an ignorant and brainwashed Trumpanzee who drinks all the alt.right Kool Aid.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Oct 2019, 13:14
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18 Oct 2019, 13:14#6

No Rooinek

Why I am against the Democrats - because they have stolen the people blind.  The Chinese bribed Biden with a bribe of $1,5 billion to get the China-USA trade deal signed by Obama - which resulted in huge job losses in the USA and exporting of the company plants to China.  Who benefited from the bribe?  Nobody knows because Obama made sure the matter is not investigated by the FBI and CIA by appointing top management in both bodies that will stop the investigation.

The USA sold Russia 20% of the USA strategic uranium  reserve and in exchange an amount of $142 million was paid to the Clinton Foundation by the Russians. The FBI started an investigation and they suddenly stopped the investigation on orders from above.

Obama, Biden, Kerry, Podesta (Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign manager and an Obama White House official who got 75 000 shares in a Russian Company) and Pelosi were all involved in the rampant corruption in the USA.   Easy - do a Zuma and stop any investigation by putting agents in charge of the FBI and CIA.

  Wonder whether Obama provided lessons to Zuma or learnt from Zuma on how to protect corrupt politicians.  In one e-mail Clinton sent to Podesta she bragged that she had direct access to Putin.   All the above has been factually proven.
Now lets look at Trump - a thoroughly unlikeable person.  Sometimes I think his mouth is his own worst enemy.   However, the American economy is booming, unemployment is the lowest level ever for all race groups, incomes are up for all workers, that is the positives he brings to the people.
Who is really endangered species in the USA political scene and why do they act like they do at present.   They are afraid of what will come out and how their ill-begotten wealth is threatened.   The problem for them is that there are written proof of the criminal and bribery activities mentioned above and they are trying to stop investigations and stay out of jail.  So try the impeachment angle to get rid of Trump.   They have NO proof thus far of any real action by Trump they can use and invent fairy tales  and the vicious hatred of Trump by the media to convince the population that they are protecting democracy and not themselves in the process.
Sorry Rooinek - as stated above nobody is honest in the political scene in the USA - they all eat merrily of the corruption pie whether Democrats or Republicans were in charge.  Under Obama it reached unbelievable heights though.
I have no love for Trump - but I hope he stays in power and clean up the corruption swamp created by the Bush, Clinton and Obama presidencies over the last 20 years, 
Ask Assange - he has all the written proof of what happened.  Also ask the Ukraine Billionaire who has the rest of the documents through Crowdstrike that prove what really was happening.   The FBI and CIA wants both extradited to he USA - why?      .        

         

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Oct 2019, 13:14
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18 Oct 2019, 13:14#7

Duplicate

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Oct 2019, 13:28
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18 Oct 2019, 13:28#8

SB

Did I say it was only DP presidents who started wars - I was wrong.    So lets go through the last century  major Wars:-

*   World War 1  -  Wilson   -   DP

*   World War 2  -  Roosevelt  - DP

*   Korean War   -  Truman   -   DP

*   Vietnam War -   Johnson  -   DP

*   Iraq 1            -   Bush (sen) - RP

*   Afghanistan  -   Bush (jun)  - RP

*   Iraq 2            -   Bush (jun) -  RP

*   Other ME     -   Obama       - DP

The Bush's were part of the Washington establishment in league with the DP and had very little in common with the mainstream RP of today.   The younger B ush is now hobnobbing with the Obamas more than with the RP people.

However, the count remains 5 DP and 2 RP.  

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Oct 2019, 14:54
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18 Oct 2019, 14:54#9

Mike good luck trying to talk any sense into the boards to idiots - rooibozo and sharktwit are the boards two clowns, complete buffoons.

They are as thick as planks. Hahahahahahaha thanks for the merriment  provided planks. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
18 Oct 2019, 17:11
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18 Oct 2019, 17:11#10
@Clevermike,
A list below of Presidents since 1930's (before start of WW2). Are you sure you have the correct number of wars? 
Try focus more on individual wars, not the ones where lots of other countries are allies. World War 2, for example, was probably justified- if ever war is the right decision.

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
18 Oct 2019, 17:26
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18 Oct 2019, 17:26#11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

March 4, 1933 Franklin Delano Roosevelt Democratic World War 2

April 12, 1945 Harry S. Truman Democratic World War 2

January 20, 1953 Dwight D. Eisenhower Republican US(only) vs Lebanon

January 20, 1961 JFK Democratic ... (check table)

November 22, 1963 Lyndon B. Johnson Democratic ... (check table)

January 20, 1969 Nixon (War Monger) Republican Vietnam War. Impeached

August 9, 1974 Gerald Ford Republican ... (check table)

January 20, 1977 Jimmy Carter Democratic  ... (check table)

January 20, 1981 Ronald Regan Republican Gulf War

January 20, 1989 George Bush Senion Republican Panima

January 20, 1993 Bill Clinton Democratic ... (check table)

January 20, 2001 George W. Bush Republican Irak (disaster)

January 20, 2009 Obama Democratic ... (check table)

January 20, 2017 Trump Republican To update
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Oct 2019, 18:06
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18 Oct 2019, 18:06#13

You left out some wars - like the Korea on started by Truman in 1948   

Anyway  why are they involved in wars - basically because of the US armaments industry and the corruption involved in the party political establishments.   

The Vietnam War started in small scale in 1964 and by 1966 it was in full swing - Nixon ended it eventually.  Johnson was one of the most corrupt presidents ever had before Obama took over that title.

The gulf war was in 1991 and not in 1981.  Reagan had nothing to do with it.    

Nixon's impeachment had mothing to do with the Vietnam War - it had to do with the Watergate scandal.

Where the hell did you get that info from????????????

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sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
18 Oct 2019, 18:13
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18 Oct 2019, 18:13#14
I at least quoted sources. If anything is wrong, it is because I had to work between a few different screens copying and pasting. It was from a few tables of data. 
Nixon was the only US president that was impeached in that list. The Vietnam war was a disaster. 
I did not say it was the reason he was impeached or sole reason.
You do not appear to acknowledge your own errors. I quoted my sources so they can be questioned. 
However suffice to say, the data that I have provided shows the US has been involved in wars by all US presidents. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Oct 2019, 19:06
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18 Oct 2019, 19:06#15

The following quotes from Wikipedia

Korea War 

The war began on 25 June 1950 when North Korea invaded South Korea following a series of clashes along the border. -  President  Truman

Vietnam War

U.S. involvement escalated under President John F. Kennedy through the MAAG program from just under a thousand in 1959 to 16,000 in 1963.[70][71] By 1963, the North Vietnamese had sent 40,000 soldiers to fight in South Vietnam.

By 1964, there were 23,000 US advisors in South Vietnam. In August, the Gulf of Tonkin incident occurred, in which a U.S. destroyer was alleged to have clashed with North Vietnamese fast attack craft. in response, the U.S Congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, giving President Lyndon B. Johnson broad authorization to increase U.S. military presence. He ordered the deployment of combat units for the first time and increased troop levels to 184,000.

Do you see any involvement of NIXON there he became President in 1969 with a promise that he would end the War. 

"U.S. president Richard Nixon began troop withdrawals in 1969. His plan, called the Nixon Doctrine, was to build up the ARVN so that it could take over the defense of South Vietnam."

Negotiations in Paris conducted by Henry Kissinger reached a secret agreement in 1972.  Fact is Nixon was NOT a warmonger - he tried desperately to get the USA out of Vietnam.

The Gulf War

The Gulf War (2 August 1990 – 28 February 1991), codenamed Operation Desert Shield (2 August 1990 – 17 January 1991) for operations leading to the buildup of troops and defense of Saudi Arabia and Operation Desert Storm (17 January 1991 – 28 February 1991)     

You are ten yuears out on that one,   

I quoted for you what happened after you got virtually everything wrong,   



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