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Is Trump really the Bastard he is made out to be by the Media?

Started by clevermike20 REPLIES879 VIEWS· 22 Oct 2019, 11:08
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2019, 11:08
#1
22 Oct 2019, 11:08#1

The War issue

The question always arises as to personality traits of Trump as a person.  It started well before the 2016 when  -

*   amongst his promises to the electorate was one about getting  out of war situations all over the world;  and

*   when he was accused by the DP and by Clinton and the media of being a warmonger.

So lets see what happened subsequently.   Trump promised the US electorate he would endeabour to bring home the troops stationed in foreign countries and it effect both the situations in Europe, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria.

In the case of NATO he insisted that the other NATO members make a bigger financial and also troop contribution to NATO – which would reduce not only the US cost contribution, but also the need for keeping  a big army in Europe permanently and reduce the number of deployed soldiers in Europe without reducing the defence capabilities of NATO.  

In the case of Korea Trump realized that something needs to be done as to the belligerence of the  North Korea  regime  and see what could be achieved through negotiation.   Thus far the effects were limited, but at least the North Korean regime that not set off another nuclear test and has stopped launching of inter-continental missile tests and limited themselves to short range missile tests,  There seems to be some scope  for further negotiation and although the situation is difficult – the negotiation phase is not over yet.

Iraq and Syria presented another problem for Trump inherited from the Obama  Administration.   Obama said he draws a red line when it came to usage of gas during the Syrian Civil War and when Syria ignored the threat he did nothing about it,   Obama ordered the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq and leaving that country in chaos.   That caused the emergence of ISIS in Iraq and Syria and ultimately Obama send some US troops to the country, but cut them out of any involvement in actual fighting against ISIS – they were merely there to train Iraqi troops and help them with strategy.  Little progress was made  under  Obama to deal with the ISIS threat and when Trump took over he instructed that the advisor rule be replaced by actual knocking out ISIS and the caliphate disappeared.                  

 As to the latest situation as to Syria the DP and some elements  in the RP went ballistic about the real  situation  in Syria – especially with regard to the Kurds.   There are a number of problems  here.  First of all Turkey is a member of NATO with the second biggest army in that organisation.   There were two Kurdish organisations who were many years ago classed as terrorist organisations by the United  States themselves.   These organisations caused numerous terrorist attacks in Turkey causing hundreds of deaths and that has aroused serious animosity against those terrorist groups amongst the Turks themselves and that led to the fear of the Turks to see a border controlled by the Kurds on the  Syrian side.   There were no  US troops on the border with Turkey itself and it is obvious that Trump do not want to allow elements in the Kurdish community to launch terrorist attacks in Tirkey itself.    Aside  from the above the following should be borne in mind: –

*    The US troops were limited to a 1 000 men guarding ISIS prisoners and when Trump asked the EU countries from where they came from originally to take them back they refused to do so.

*   The Civil War in Syria has declined drastically in intensity and the Kurds asked the Syrian army to take over the border area  with Turkey themselves, because they do not have the firepower to  resist a Turkish attack on them.   

*   Realizing the complicated situation Trump decided to use economic force and that includes  sanctions to reach an agreement  with  Turkey to allow for the effective withdrawal of the Kurdish militia from the border and stop possible future problems in both Turkey and for the Kurds themselves.

*   The scream from the USA DP and  some RP elements was hysterical.   Because the Syrian Government  are allied with Russia – suddenly Trump is allowing the Russians to control the situation in Syria and wider in the  ME,   Is that real or just political garbage,   The Russians have very real  problems  with Muslim terrorists in ISIS – some of whose leadership and fighters came from Russia  and Russians were involved in terrorism in the USA as well – eg the Boston attacks – ignored by the CIA and FBI when  the Russians informed them in advance about a potential terrorist attack.  Russia has learnt a bitter lesson in Afghanistan  and has no ground troops actually fighting in Syria, The Russian story is pure politics for the idiots to fall for.

*   The USA should have been out of Afghanistan years ago -  they would never be able to solve the problems  in Afghanistan ever and to stay there ad infinitum and losing lives in the process is madness.

There are three other nonsensical  elements as well in the whole saga:-

*    Obama sent very little help in military terms to Ukraine – he sent beds and not rockets and armaments to help them.   He rather allowed political crooks to operate freely in Ukraine in the corrupt  environment.   He also used Ukraine in trying to get the Russian Hoax story going,     Trump allowed  export of weapons to Ukraine.   He delayed the latest delivery because he wanted to get EU countries to assist Ukraine with weaponry as well – but when asked for by Senator Johnson he allowed the further military assistance to take place.

*     The scream is that because of the Kurdish issue and what happened in Ukraine the USA is  deserting their allies and strengthening the Russians.   They said that Trump is emboldening Syria and a threat to Israel.  

*     The USA did not attack Iran after the attack from Iran on the Saudi oilfields.   The DP and there confreres would have already started an non-ending further war against Iran by now.  He then entered  into the negotiations with the Saudi’s and  agreed to sent suitably armed  military forces to Saudi  Arabia provided they pay the full cost of the operation.

Now there is another  issue that should be borne in mind.   In the event of life losses in military operations in other countries  Bush and Obama sent  form  letters to families of deceased soldiers to sympathise with them.   Trump decided to do what none of his predecessors did – he would phone them and personally express his sympathy with them in the losses they suffer and even invited them  to the Whitehouse to talk to them.   He also cancelled the debts of wounded soldiers  and  dealt with their plights humanely in a number of other fields such as covering their medical costs permanently.

In an interview with him he spoke about the pain he sees in the faces of family members when the  bodies of slain soldiers are returned to the USA – he seemed to really care about the families and was even emotional about it.

The Russia Issue

Obama  and his Whitehouse started a campaign allegedly that Trump was colluding with Russia in the 2016 election campaign and used that story to get at Trump for years.   Five investigations wer e held and none of the investigating parties found  any proof of such collusion.   

One would after 4 years expect that Trump’s co-operation with Russia would have  had  benefits for the Russians but there was none whatsoever forthcoming.   Matter of fact Trump upgrading of the army equipment of the US army and tore up the Nuclear Arms Treaty with Russia – saying that he is prepared to enter  into a new treaty on the issue with both Russia and China on condition that all treaty parties adhere to such an agreement.

Trump has been harsher on the Russians than any of his predecessors have been.   There may be another twist to the story.   There are serious allegations of corruption in relation to dealings with Russia and Ukraine by Obama himself, as well as –

*   Clinton;

*   Biden and his family;

*   the Clintons;

*   the Podesta’s;

*   the Pelosi  family.

as well as some other leading Democrats.

Is fear of potential exposure driving the present  impeachment story?        

                


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Oct 2019, 13:50
#2
22 Oct 2019, 13:50#2

Excellent article Mike. 

Demonrat corruption in Ukraine was extensive and not just the Bidens.

Its all coming out and the demonrats are panic stricken. 

Crooked Hillary has just said if they don't impeach Trump he will win in 2020..


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Oct 2019, 13:59
#3
22 Oct 2019, 13:59#3

Mike go to Gateway Pundit, great site, where the is an article about the Ukrainians willing to cooperate on 100s of millions dollars be money laundered and the democrats trying to cover it up. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Oct 2019, 14:06
#4
22 Oct 2019, 14:06#4

They also have got hold of Mifsyds phones!

Also look at how Romney has had a disaster hit him re Pierre Delecto. 

Look at the second page of Gateway Pundit. 

It's safe to say the demorats are heading for a disaster. Only qualification being AG Barr and Prosecute Durham do their jobs. 

CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
22 Oct 2019, 17:29
#5
22 Oct 2019, 17:29#5

Well he does come across as a dick. Dont understand why he has to act the way he does.

All his speechs about being the best and the greatest and HE has made america the best it has ever been etc just makes him look like a cunt. He doesnt need to do it but obviously he cant help himself, if he toned it down and showed some humility he would have a lot more support. The man is an egotist and as such will alienate him from many people.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Oct 2019, 17:45
#6
22 Oct 2019, 17:45#6

"Well he does come across as a dick. "

Yes, he is a Yank, they tend to rub people the wrong way....unfortunately the alternative is even worse...

There is a reason why they are by far the largest economy in the world.

Having said that, he also have a sense of humor and if you look at the people around him, he seems to be on the right side of the big issues. Love him or hate him, he surely opened people's awareness to global politics.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
22 Oct 2019, 17:49
#7
22 Oct 2019, 17:49#7

Well he does upset quite a few Snowflakes and Demorats with his speeches and postings the reason being that he has thus far been proven correct.

But who carers.

Cry me a River.

Four More Years.

MO
MoonroverPro1,973 posts
23 Oct 2019, 08:31
#8
23 Oct 2019, 08:31#8

Now he says he's being lynched by a Lynch mob....they do seem like one....ever since he ran for President they've wanted his guts for garters!

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
23 Oct 2019, 08:44
#9
23 Oct 2019, 08:44#9

Exactly Moon

Since before his election, Fallon, SNL, Ellen and everyone else was using every moment to slate him.

The US are doing very well, and yet none of these channels or "personalities" have ever given him a single shred of credit for what he's done.

Now ain't that interesting. Almost like there has been an agenda and come hell, high water or anything in between, nothing will change the minds of the puppets.

Any reasonable adult would look at the evidence rather than the small failings of personality. 

What they are saying is that his personality is more important than low unemployment, higher wages and lower taxes, etc.

In fact, it takes but a moment for an actual reasonable person to look at the facts and realise, the guy is doing a great job.

But ja, no conspiracy here. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Oct 2019, 09:08
#10
23 Oct 2019, 09:08#10

Well Plum, it's clear that the idea of how "reasonable adults" should behave varies considerably amongst Americans and even people on our small, predominantly South African, forum.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
23 Oct 2019, 11:51
#11
23 Oct 2019, 11:51#11

Fallon, SNL, Kimmel, Ellen and many other celebrities might have more respect if they could at least at some point acknowledge that Trump has done some things right.

But no..... even our own Trever Noah has to always, every day, open his comedy show by berating or disrespecting Trump...….. which wouldn't bother me...…. if they also mentioned things that he had also done right...… but no...….. they only focus on the perceived negatives...…. never ever the positives....

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Oct 2019, 12:22
#12
23 Oct 2019, 12:22#12

My problem is that there are two issues politically in the USA and those relate to political direction for the Country,  The most sensible idea for Americans are a more centrist approach to issues and Obama tried to play the centrists role - but at the same time appointed senior officials to security, policing and the Justice Department to ensure that the corrupt nature of his administration is not investigated or that if it is the reports are not made public. 

The second problem is that in the domestic environment the present situation is that the Republicans have capture that situation with a lesser emphasis on control of the economy through endless regulations being eliminated, leaving the centrists in the DP virtually nothing to operate on.    They are powerless to have control of the DP - since the crooks and leftist socialists are the loudest barkers in the situation.

They are indeed in a fairly hopeless situation I believe partly caused by Obama himself and by corrupt elements in his administration.  They would have not been fully exposed if Clinton won the 2016 election - the only thing in such a case would have been  that corruption would have increased with a total take over of the judicial system like our own Zuma tried to do and partly succeeded in doing.

So what ways are open to the DP insofar as the 2020 election is concerned?   They cannot attack Trump on the domestic economic situation - it just would not work.   So they must try and fabricate getting rid of him through impeachment on spurious charges - essentially by that means to stop future criminal proceedings against political and administrative officials.   For this they try foreign issues,

On the domestic front there is a battle between the socialists and the liberals for control of the Party.   The effect is they have no saleable policy alternatives and that could lead to self-destruction.   They know it and that is why the whole attack on Trump is solely the Russian Hoax story and now Ukraine and Syria wot the support of the media being virtual hysterical on those issues.  Even there they are on shallow ground since they have virtually no positive prove on the issue to support their campaign.          

       

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Oct 2019, 12:22
#13
23 Oct 2019, 12:22#13

My problem is that there are two issues politically in the USA and those relate to political direction for the Country,  The most sensible idea for Americans are a more centrist approach to issues and Obama tried to play the centrists role - but at the same time appointed senior officials to security, policing and the Justice Department to ensure that the corrupt nature of his administration is not investigated or that if it is the reports are not made public. 

The second problem is that in the domestic environment the present situation is that the Republicans have capture that situation with a lesser emphasis on control of the economy through endless regulations being eliminated, leaving the centrists in the DP virtually nothing to operate on.    They are powerless to have control of the DP - since the crooks and leftist socialists are the loudest barkers in the situation.

They are indeed in a fairly hopeless situation I believe partly caused by Obama himself and by corrupt elements in his administration.  They would have not been fully exposed if Clinton won the 2016 election - the only thing in such a case would have been  that corruption would have increased with a total take over of the judicial system like our own Zuma tried to do and partly succeeded in doing.

So what ways are open to the DP insofar as the 2020 election is concerned?   They cannot attack Trump on the domestic economic situation - it just would not work.   So they must try and fabricate getting rid of him through impeachment on spurious charges - essentially by that means to stop future criminal proceedings against political and administrative officials.   For this they try foreign issues,

On the domestic front there is a battle between the socialists and the liberals for control of the Party.   The effect is they have no saleable policy alternatives and that could lead to self-destruction.   They know it and that is why the whole attack on Trump is solely the Russian Hoax story and now Ukraine and Syria wot the support of the media being virtual hysterical on those issues.  Even there they are on shallow ground since they have virtually no positive prove on the issue to support their campaign.          

       

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Oct 2019, 21:28
#14
23 Oct 2019, 21:28#14

You can't make this BS up!!!

Obama and De Niro making a documentary series for Netflix on the impeachment of Trump....$90M deal...plus the previous multi million dollar deal for Netflix...and another mega million Dollar book deal....not bad for a Hawaiian Kenyan from Chicago.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
24 Oct 2019, 04:57
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24 Oct 2019, 04:57#15

"Yes, he is a Yank, they tend to rub people the wrong way....."

Really?

I've met plenty of Yanks and found them to be delightful, interesting and intelligent. Trump is the first one I find unpalatable personality wise.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Oct 2019, 10:25
#16
24 Oct 2019, 10:25#16

Denny

Trump is not a nice person to deal with - he is a hard as nails businessman.  He is not a real politician at all.   

What worries me more is the increasing information now emerging as to the level of corruption becoming clearer now by the Obama Administration in dealings with Ukraine, Russia and China.  Proof of that is already becoming clear and there are active investigations on the go about those, even though the leftist media is totally quiet about it. 

It worries the Democrats and I think the present so-called "impeachment investigation" is an effort to stop those corruption investigations - they do not want their prominent leading members to go to jail for corruption.   Corrupt activities in the main deals with Russia, Ukraine and China - with the present lot fearing any real investigation as to what happened under the Obama Administration.   The fact is that Obama himself is under a cloud, together with Clinton, Biden, Kerry, Podesta, Pelosi and Schiff.

I will not be surprised if a  Special Council is appointed to investigate the full scope as to what really happened under Obama with regard to bribery and corruption  - something like the Zondo Commission of enquiry.   .   


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
24 Oct 2019, 11:30
#17
24 Oct 2019, 11:30#17

Mike I answered your question........no need for a bible reading. If you still have trouble understanding what I'm saying, in layman's terms I believe he's an arsehole. 

Kapeesh?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Oct 2019, 12:14
#18
24 Oct 2019, 12:14#18

Denny 

Maybe he is - but an ho nest one for a change

CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
24 Oct 2019, 14:06
#19
24 Oct 2019, 14:06#19

China has overtaken the USA as the largest economy in the world i believe. Not sure why you think the USA is way in advance on that front

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Oct 2019, 14:14
#20
24 Oct 2019, 14:14#20

CF

China was getting there - but not yet - they were cut back by the China-USA  trade war.

USA  - Gross Domestic Production  (GDP)   -    20 580 200 million $

China -                   do                                     -    13 366 073 million $

Those figures are for 2019.   


AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
24 Oct 2019, 15:15
#21
24 Oct 2019, 15:15#21

Well if DT is an "A-hole" and he has achieved  what he has against the Demorats, Swamprats, Media  and the good he has done for his country economically and re-building the military  I for one applaud him.

Perhaps Australian, New Zealand and many other countries should follow his example and do something great and positive for their countries.

Maybe being patriotic would be a great start, followed by loyalty to your partners and friends.

After all just what would they be without the USA, the commonwealth and Saffers.

Answer: Sheep Farmers.

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