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Israeli Data shows vaccinated people are as likely to get Covid as unvaccinated people!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Jul 2021, 12:41
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28 Jul 2021, 12:41#1

Another media lies blows up! 


Take a look at this table:




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SebPro2,680 posts
28 Jul 2021, 13:24
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28 Jul 2021, 13:24#2

A few days ago a friend of ours lost her dad after few days after been vaccinated in Johannesburg.

She told us that he had never been ill in his life, was fit for his age.

He did not want the vaccine but pressures from family members acquiesc ed his free will...shocking.

He died from pheumonia...I'm certain, the vaccine breaks down your immunity which makes one vulnerable to all sorts of other infections, diseases and infirmities.

Another elderly couple from Hilton (no major medical history) also passed away, within days of each other.

The media often does not report these incidences.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Jul 2021, 13:31
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28 Jul 2021, 13:31#3

I also know someone who suddenly have a few more serious health issues since being vaxed...know of someone who died shortly after, lots of people who don't have any issues at all...still don't know anyone who died of covid though...I'm lucky I suppose. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
28 Jul 2021, 14:05
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28 Jul 2021, 14:05#4
Those that choose conspiracies over science, will either die or recover from Covid. If you recover, at least you have anti-bodies and you can contribute to herd immunity. 
Don't take the vaccine, it does not really matter now anyway given many countries are ending lockdowns. No one is forcing you. 
Countries with lots of anti-vaxxers will continue to have much more deaths, but once everyone has been offered a jab- who cares.
If someone jumps off a mountain and dies, it is their freedom of choice. 

Israel is averaging 2 Covid deaths per day. That is much less than the flu. 





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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
28 Jul 2021, 14:05
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28 Jul 2021, 14:05#5

Opposite experience for me. I had no reaction to either Covid jabs other than a stiff arm after the first jab and that only last a day, none of my family or friends had any significant reaction to the vaccines other than feeling a little tired for a day though I know a few people from work who said they where floored for a day after getting the jab, but one of them already had covid. One described Covid as much worse than the flu and getting as about as sick as can get without needing to go to to hospital. She also said the vaccines where like mini cases of Covid but only lasting for a day. Another person from work's husband had to go into hospital. Overall she said it took him 9 weeks to get over Covid.

As for Covid I know of 2 old family friends who have passed away from it. One of them I actually meet just a few weeks before he died in a pub. They both had underlying medical conditions.

Early in the year my father had to into hospital, he has a heart condition and had a heart attack a number of years back and one night he took unwell and thought it was another heart attack as he said it felt pretty similar. The hospitals checked him over a couple of times and first said it wasn't his heart, then said it was and he was transferred, they then said no its not his heart and released him. He was fine a day or two later. A couple weeks later they rang us back and told us he had pneumonia.  We where like what where the odds of catching pneumonia but not Covid. This was well before he got his vaccine shots. Point is people get sick and its not related to anything else.

Anti-vaxxers have for years pointed at cases where autism has developed in children shortly after getting a vaccination. But autism typically develops around the ages kids starting getting vaccines. Its not related to the vaccines, its co-incidental timing that can give false impression that the vaccine is to blame. I find a lot of cases where people say they know someone who died shortly after vaccine, don't really know the person who supposedly died, its a friend of a friend of a friend, like Chinese whispers, they heard of someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who died after getting the vaccine.

I can understand people being hesitant towards vaccines due to the speed at which the Covid 19 vaccines where developed at. I know people who are nervous about Covid 19 vaccines but had plenty of other vaccinations previously and it was to do with fears that the vaccines for Covid where rushed. But with Covid you can understand why vaccines where developed so quickly with pretty much the whole world focusing on combating covid and the resources thrown at it. But even if the vaccines where developed at a slower pace that would be more typical of vaccine development I'd still think we see similar levels of skepticism.





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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
28 Jul 2021, 14:31
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28 Jul 2021, 14:31#6
Stav, I read that the side effects actually feel like having Covid.
I had pretty severe side effects from the AstraZeneca vaccine, which lasted about 24 hours. 

It was fine until the evening of the jab, and I started to feel symptoms that were a bit like the flu- but also different. I started having shivers, going from warm to cold in seconds. I could easily feel how people get really sick from Covid. 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Jul 2021, 16:19
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28 Jul 2021, 16:19#7

"I can understand people being hesitant towards vaccines due to the speed at which the Covid 19 vaccines where developed at. I know people who are nervous about Covid 19 vaccines but had plenty of other vaccinations previously and it was to do with fears that the vaccines for Covid where rushed. "

There is always a miniscule risk involved with vaccines...as with everything else in life...the thing that bothers me the most is the large scale of vaccinations while the possible unintended long term side effects cannot be known yet...AND anyone expressing even only mild concerns are aggressively shouted down and labeled as anti-vaxers...they are pushing way too hard at times...it's fear driven and fear driven discriminatory decisions are almost always wrong, no matter how good the reasons.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
28 Jul 2021, 16:47
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28 Jul 2021, 16:47#8

the thing that bothers me the most is the large scale of vaccinations while the possible unintended long term side effects cannot be known yet

From what I've read most vaccines tend to show their side effects within the first few months of usage. Asking a genuine question here but has there been an example in the past where vaccines where shown to have serious side effects that only became known after a few years and if there was did it change the balance of risk significantly enough to be deemed more dangerous than the illness is was designed to prevent.

AND anyone expressing even only mild concerns are aggressively shouted down and labeled as anti-vaxers...they are pushing way too hard at times...

I absolutely understand the reservation some people have about the speed at which the vaccines where produced. But on the other hand even if they vaccines where not developed for say another year or two or even 5+ years we still have this loud and significant minority of people who are anti vaxers flooding the internet with conspiracy theories and false information and this false information can and will lead to peoples deaths.


it's fear driven and fear driven discriminatory decisions are almost always wrong, no matter how good the reasons.

But your position about not getting vaccines is also fear driven. Fear of potential long term effects of which there is currently no evidence to support exist .








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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
28 Jul 2021, 17:01
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28 Jul 2021, 17:01#9
It is a strawman argument about the speed of vaccine development.
The testing process of proving the vaccine is safe and it works, is what usually takes ages- not the creation of the vaccine. 

Why is it the far-right religious simpletons are the ones that "fear" so much more than anyone else? Cowards? Probably...

Given the financial backing Covid has had, it is no wonder that the R&D was faster than usual. Also, technology continues to improve allowing for "being" faster. 
The anti-vaxxers are mostly religious simpletons that have been brainwashed using stories like the mark of the beast, Satan etc. etc. 
These are not adults and must be treated as children that still believe in Santa Claus.

The Church performs psychological experiments on these people, and we can see the by-products such as Beeno
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
28 Jul 2021, 17:32
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28 Jul 2021, 17:32#10
I know people who as I said are not anti vaccination and have had vaccines in the past but the speed of developing Covid vaccines spooked them. At the start of the pandemic the talk from medical experts was that the vaccine would likely take a least a year to a year and half to two years of development time and that was the best case scenario, the fact that it was developed quicker spooked people a bit.  It may be pricing testing that slows down vaccines normally but does the average Joe on the street know that. So for many its not a strawman argument though I'm sure some people who are anti vaccination are hiding behind it as an excuse so as not to come across as being  an anti vaxer.
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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
28 Jul 2021, 17:53
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28 Jul 2021, 17:53#11

Anyone is scared of vaccines, but the reality is that if the evil globalists wanted to poison everyone- why not do this through an aerosol at a Supermarket or Sports event- instead of using a more difficult vaccine than anyone has at least some initial doubts.

What is the end game? Offer a vaccine that does not work, or kills people?
What is the motive? 
A globalist conspiracy of Bill Gates trying to kill everyone etc...


These people should not be allowed to vote, let alone make decisions. They have been transported from 5000BC. 


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SebPro2,680 posts
28 Jul 2021, 20:52
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28 Jul 2021, 20:52#12

Intelligent people tend to assess things by their own individual experience (wisdom)... stupid rely on what they are told by media with disruptive intentions or by collective worldwide agendas started by evil geniusess'.

I trust my courage, my body and spiritual intuitions...I'm an individual and never follow the herd that follow everything that they read.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
28 Jul 2021, 22:24
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28 Jul 2021, 22:24#13
I'm an individual and never follow the herd that follow everything that they read.
Sorry sebastien, you do follow the herd, you just follow a smaller herd.


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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
28 Jul 2021, 22:35
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28 Jul 2021, 22:35#14
Yes Indeed, Sebastenchabel is part of Beeno's herd. The Lost Sheep(s)ic...
If 97% of mechanics say the same thing, I would rather follow that instead of the 3% of mechanics. 
Just like if 97% of immunology scientists are saying the same thing,
or 97% of electricians said the same thing etc, etc.
That is not being brainwashed, it is accepting that some people are more qualified in their own fields.. Additionally, the data has also been provided. (E.g. number of deaths by vaccine vs Covid). 
Arguments and proof vs conspiracy. 
If you can't trust scientists that are talking on live TV like Fauci, Neil Ferguson, etc- then you are not accepting mainstream reality. These are people talking on live TV- it is not a journalist writing their own article- adding their own pieces

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