Ivermectin

Why do people keep on pretending that ivermectin is only a veterinary drug?

It has been

*catalogued by the WHO as an essential medicine

*approved by the FDA as safe and effective for human use

*won its discoverer a Nobel prize for its value to humanity

"Follow the science", the doubters are told by people who keep referring to ivm as horse dewormer.

This is part of the propaganda put out by the Talibiden administration.  When Biden announces anything that is based on a proven lie disputed by scientists - the immediate question that should be asked is what is the kickback from the Pharma industry and how much will each of his and his cronies benefit from it? Who is the major owners of vaccine producers? Bill Gates and his crony Soros - they have no hesitancy in bribery and corruption. So what is their role in all of this? My guess is the Big Guy get a nice percentage in kickbacks and Hunter's painting production will expand to more than 10 Assistants at least. There is a hell-of-a-lot of corrupt money to be brought into circulation.       

In a recent meeting of top scientists whose ultimate decision was that using booster shots should be limited to over 60 years old people - mention was made that Ivermectin usage has  virtually eliminated the threat of Covisd in  one of India's most populated States with a  population of nearly 60% of the population in the USA.  

Why should three be a vicious campaign against ivermectin?    Because the big Pharma  Industry in the USA does not produce the drug.   They produce vaccines and will make that mandatory in the USA.

SB

So why was it used in Uttar-Pradesh - Population circa 200 million virtually Covid free  from Covid 19?   

SB

An Advisory Committee of the Department of Health - comprising of medical experts - recommended by a 16-2 majority voted not to allow booster shots for people under 60 years of age  -  and during their deliberations  referred to the Uttar Pradesh findings  asking for further investigation on that score - the corrupt lawyers in charger - they are NO medical  experts  - refused to comply and the Mafia head Biden announced the exact opposite   

Wake up to reality or  be an idiot for longer.   

@DumbMike - so this is a credible source of information?  a Christian brainwashing website (ha, ha). They don't know the difference between fact and faith. (Plus the Church is just a propaganda machine to make the working class subservient and vote against their own interests). 

https://www.christianitydaily.com/articles/13293/20210917/india-s-uttar-pradesh-state-now-covid-free-recovery-rate-up-98-6-because-of-ivermectin.htm

"India's Uttar Pradesh State has declared victory against COVID after it reported a recovery rate of 98.6%". 

So they consider a death rate of 1.4% of the population victory? That is no different to people taking nothing for Covid. 

Consider the rest of the world. The UK or EU have not approved Ivermectin for Covid-  because it is garbage. 

Some countries have been through 3 waves now. Lockdowns have been the only effective means of reducing transmissions down to a lower number. 

"None of that makes it horse medicine when used in human context."

And if they deliberately lie about the small things...

I was helped by this medication.

So were horses, just not for Covid.
The Tokoloshe has also helped some, or so they believe. 

Do you people take your cars to mechanics or do you also use non-qualified people?

Stop typing BS and understand that many folks have been saved by having this medication administered as opposed to just being deserted and left to die.

Every life is worth saving irrespective of where you live, how much money you have and who you support or are.

ALL LIVES MATTER.

"Christian nonsense"

Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

SB you wouldn't know science if it bit you in the ass and yelled "I'M SCIENCE!". You are little more than a blinkered ideologue, especially when it comes to religion.

"statistically significant reductions" in randomized trials vs. your "it is useless for Covid". You can follow the consensus without disregarding and ridiculing other promising avenues. The balanced stance on IVM is "it looks promising, but I need more data to convince me". Worst case Ivermectin does nothing, best case it saves lives. So give people who would like to use it guidance on how to do it safely rather than crushing the thing and forcing them to fiddle with it themselves and screwing it up.

As for science, when there's to the tune of $50+ billion involved, be careful who you believe. Pfizer, J&J, the FDA...none of them have clean slates. They have billions of reasons to suppress and shoot down anything that can cause them to sell fewer vaccines. You think these people (and the "governments") care more about our health than lining their own pockets? These fuckers that have put us in economic meat grinders that eat away at our physical and mental health every day? Good god, the naivety that would require. That's not even the realm of conspiracy, that's the realm of common knowledge.

That's also not me saying the vaccines don't have value, that's me saying there is a strong incentive to push a narrative that the vaccines are the only solution and suppress any other solutions for as long as possible. The way ivermectin is being ridiculed is beyond all reasonable response given the mounting weight of evidence in its favor from both medical trials and real world application.

Pakie, please take it easy on the Twat because he is looking for acceptance as a "Know All" but coming from the Bluff in Durban he really is "Know Fuck All".

Don't explain anything to the Twat as he really believes he knows everything.

A Fool in a Fools World he lives in.

@Arthur Fartur - most of the world believes vaccination is the best option - the mainstream.
The alternative conspiracy reality theorists jump from one new cure to the next. HCQ got a lot of mileage from the far right, but Ivermectin is the new kid on the block. 

If the far-right invented a cure or treatment to Covid that worked, everyone would use it. They would not politicize it. If it works, it works. The data would speak for itself. 

Let mainstream society do the science while you live in a distorted reality of cloaks and daggers.
Science vs faith, and reason vs irrationality. 

Yes - the world belive in vaccination and so do I to a limited extent.     Unlike the propaganda - the fact that the vaccines do not stop people from getting infected, nor does it stop  such people from  spreading the virus,    The only positive is that according to research the vaccine limits  the people to develop  serious levels and those are the people who survived.

In the end it does not solve the problem anyway,    The solution is to use real medicine to prevent infection and spreading.   That relates to science.

Unfortunately - what is happening now has zero to do with science and everythi ng to do with politics and also n the process uses Covid to enrich themselves.   .       

@Pakie. that link you provided had studies in South Africa and South America. 
Question marks remain over the integrity of the testing procedure. (Large enough population tested vs a placebo). 

It is being studied as part of a voluntary trial in the UK. The testing procedure will probably be more trusted in scientific circles if it proved that Ivermectin was useful against Covid.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-06-23-ivermectin-be-investigated-possible-treatment-covid-19-oxford-s-principle-trial

HCQ failed proper testing procedures. 

Well - India feels it is and is using it widely in Uttar Pradesh - since there is no medical treatment for infected people - whether vaccinated or not.    Denny wrote something elsewhere about the issue of proteins and he role it plays in getting the virus protected and capable of mulitplying internally - and mentioned three different treatment possibility options.   

In any event   your original statement as to horses is anther of the idiocies  and shit you normally spout on this site.     .     .   .   

Well SB let's hope it turns out positive. Because even vaccinated people are still getting sick and dying, so a decent prophylactic and early treatment will be a good thing - even if it turns out to be the medicine of the "religious far right".

I've told you all, many times before, that VisKop hasn't the foggiest what science is about. 

The only reason he uses the word science to death is because he thinks that the more he says it the less he's lower-middle-class in the UK. 

You guys are arguing with an empty head that is himself everything that he keeps calling everyone else.

The question is, what do you hope to achieve?

Yeah yeah, planky.

Far be it for me to reason with a numbskull.

SB

Nobody fears science - what they abhor is when politics take precedent  over science and stories are spun for political benefit.   That is where the politicians overstepped science and lie to produce results they want - whether if has scientific back-up  or not.

You may not beleive it - but Biden is a crook and whatever he does outside of science  has everything to do how much money is in it for him.    His son Hunter is a druggie and was fired from the navy for drug abuse.   His father was  Deputy President.   His son got a few million dollars from a company on which Board he "so-called serve"  and when the company came under suspicion of massive fraud  Biden  threatened to withhold aid money to the tune of $1 billion if the Ukraine does not stop the investigation.    The fact is the Biden was involved in a scam to get frozen Gadaffi money held by the USA Government to be released,  with a major kickback involved.     Unfortunately his personal laptop broke down and he took it to a repair-shop, but he then forgot about it and ended up in a treatment center  for drug abuse.   The repair-shop had the la[top for more than a year and the owner decided to see what was on the computer  and  was horrified about what he sw.   He made a copy of the main board  and sent the original to the FBI for investigation.   When he gave the main Board to the FBI - but when the copy  of the main board himself When after three months the FBI did nothing about the issue he handed his copy of the main board to the New York Post  who published the salient points confirming the corrupt activities of Hunter Biden and his father's  involved  directly in corruption.     The big tech companies banned any messages about the  Hunter Biden lap top - but now the  situation has turned problematic for Biden.    The Swedish Government exposed  the fact about the Gadaffi story that was on Hunter's lap top were authentic  and two other e-mails connecting Biden to corruption was also confirmed as  authentic    Insofar as the $1,5 billion investment in  Hunter Biden's company there were two e-mails indicating Biden's involvement and his indication that there are $300 million in bribes involved  and that was divided in such a way that Biden would get 10% of the $1,5 billion "investment".    

The system stinks to high heaven and Poliico  published confirmation of two of the e-mails on the Hunter laptop  as being authentic.     It is now 20 months since the Computer handed to the FBI.    It is the main board  of the Hunter Biden's lap top that has been spread to a number of people.  The FBI is looking for copies of the Main Board  and the FBI was looking for that main board and found nothing. when they searched the homes  and offices of various potential  people who may have copies of the hard drive - inclusive of Giuliani - and found nothing. So what next for the FBI?  

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EU, UK, and the USA have found no scientific evidence that this new wonder drug actually works against Covid.
The so-called trials do not pass scruti ny and are shown to be either totally amateur or manipulated data. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58170809

There are indeed scientists worldwide  looking for a real preventative medicine  that would prevent spreading and infection  - a well as a realistic treatment of sick patients  - but the moment anybody makes a comment  on potential trials - the mass media - largely owned by the same people who controls the production of vaccines - goes ballistic.   

Unfortunately you have absorbed the junk and lying propaganda of the same media for five years and you still believe their BS.    They have their own program and even Gates and Soros wants to9 see the world population reduced and has the audacity to state it publicly.

As to what Faucci said - believe the exact opposite,   Whenever he makes a statement he follows his Masters Voice and for the rest tried to get out of the shit after  he co-operated ith the Chinese Government in their gain of function research at the Wuhan laboratory from where the virus originated.    .        .    

It is not about religion? Yet 99% of the anti-science, anti-vax brigade is religious...

The same dummies that blame a scientist like Fauci who has worked for something like six presidents. You people are the ones politicising things. You just can't handle it that science is from the left-wing...

Why don't all of you people just inject yourself with Covid and be done with it. We are tired of you prolonging the pandemic, tired of you clogging up our hospitals, and tired of offering you the vaccine.

I recommend that all anti-vaxxers/anti-science brigade are banned from having a vaccine. We need to cull them down as part of the Bill Gates program to improve the human race. 
We don't need them, they are not part of the vision going forward. 

What could be the vision going forward?     To be governed by a corrupt gang of  politicians and  their business partners acting on dictatorial style.    What actually  happened can only lead to disaster for mankind as a whole.

As to Faucci - what is there to believe.    What he sani six months ago has been changed 100%.   Masks is not the answer nor is it necessary - next masks must be made compulsory.   Vaccination is to make compulsory.     He is deciding whether everybody should be vaccinated - even children.   Since the start of the pandemic in the USA there were more children killed by suicide than by the pandemic - figures run into  a few hundred.   But they must be vaccinated and use masks,  What the hell for?    When 16 experts said only people with morbidities between  18 and 60 should get booster shots - nobody else should - Faucci and co overruled them.     He lied in Senate  about  his ties to the Wuhan Lab research on gain in function.    He is now saying families should not visit each other during the upcoming festive season.

The old bastard is 82 years old - has the USA  no scientists younger than that who ahs not eben corrupted by ties to people like Gates and Soros?   

So who are really the anti-vaxxers?    60% of the medical and nursing staff in the USA are refusing vaccines  and even resigned rather than  take the vaccine.  Why - what do they know about the vaccines that we do not know?    A large number of sportsmen refuse vaccines and that include tennis players and  American football players, etc.   60% of the Blacks and 50% of the Hispanics has not been vaccinated at this stage,    Are they all Christian fanatics?    Vaccination is not compulsory for the 1,8 million illegal migrants who entered the USA since Biden took over - it is compulsory for everybody else.   

 Now the latest scientific findings are that vaccination is effective for less than a month after shots - they lose 80% of their effectiveness in that period.    So people must in future got booster shots every month?

It is the college students who shout "Fuck you Joe Biden" at university football games and refuse to wear masks.   But then masks is only compulsory for the plebs - the Democratic Party elite at functions and parties do not wear them - but everybody else should.    They have functions where the servants are forced to wear masks - the function goers do not,             .        

The Democrats use the pandemic to introduce dictatorial measures - whether based on science or not - to control people and that is a fact as well.    So keep up your refrain and some idiots may yet believe you.                      

Great post Mike...it boggles the mind that some people just ignores these questions and inconsistencies...

SB has an absolute obsession with the religious. I'm an atheist myself but good god man, let it go. Life's much more fun when you move past the "destroy all things religious" phase, which achieves fuck all anyway apart from getting yourself in a huff. All religious people aren't fanatics or right wingers, there's a smorgasbord of wonderful folk in there. As for IVM, I doubt the last word has been spoken on that, but it is disappointing if it turns out to be a bust purely from the perspective of a decent early treatment/prophylactic being good for everyone. The vaccination of children against Covid remains an abomination. There is zero scientific grounds to justify it and to me it feels like a desperate attempt to meet targets in the face of unexpected vaccine hesitancy elsewhere.

If you had a point it is totally delusional.   The worst dictators in the world ever were all anit-religious.  Stalin, Lenin , Hitler and MAO amongst them.    Are those the kind of ideal orld situation you want to be better than at present?

In your dim mind you refuse to accept that religion has no bearing in democratic countries on politics at present.    Because some things happens you do not like you couple it to religion.

The USA is fat looing respect worldwide and the present Government you support are selling out worldwide the interests of democracy.  Is that - a dictaorship regime system -what you really want?             

Don't always see eye to eye with quite a few here but I like Pakie's attitude on most things here, rugby or general topics...he is level headed and balanced. Shark is obsessed in his ungodly attitude and pitied. He is not a bad poster on rugby and should stick to rugby topics, just friendly advice.

Snarkhole is a hater...if not religion, he'll find an other outlet for it...

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US health workers declining the Covid jab are doing so on the basis of religious grounds, not data.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58851205

Many of them are losing their jobs because they refuse to be jabbed. It is not a major issue as these "medical professionals" would most often be lower-paid and unskilled health care workers. 

Why are they working in a scientific industry, if they are not going to take a scientific approach to understand the data of vaccinated vs unvaccinated like death rates etc?
They have no business being involved in science if they are going to use religious Dogma over science. 

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