Jonathan Pie - Trumplicans & Capitol Coup

You must be a nutcase - a coup by unarmed protestors is a total joke and you are stupid enough to accept that propaganda farce as something serious.

The crazy Democrats are in trouble - having nothing to show bar crisis after crisis in the six months with China Joe as President - they need propaganda to scare voters with.   So they act unconstitionally to keep more than 300 people in jail with only one being charged because she took a selfie of herself in the Capitol and then sentence her to 8 months imprisonment to cover the period they held her  in jail is a farce and an abuse of the justice system. 

Then the idiotic Biden overruled the Supreme Court about the extesnion of the eviction of renters of property after one of the Conservative Judges (Kavanaugh) saved their bacon and give them more than a month to get Congress approval for the eviction freeze  to be dealt with by Congress - neither Biden nor Congress did anything about it,.   The whole farce in the WH is unconstitutional and dictatorial.     He swore to uphold the Constitution  and he promised to heal the divisions in the country and did the exact opposite.    

So far the Democrats were responsible for -

   *    opening of the southern border of the USA against the Immigration Law and the Constitution of the country - as well as in secret cart over a million of those to cities all over the country - without vaccination (a testing sample show that between 400 000 and 500 000 of those were Covid positive and none of those has been vaccinated thus far;;

  *      defunding of the Police leading to an explosion of criminality all over the country- BIden said he is against it - but in cities all over the USA the process is going on on a vcirtual daily basis; and

*        inflation is  ugly and getting worse  on a monthly basis. - the workers got an increase of 3,55% in income - a least those who did go back to work - inflation is running at 5,6% - so they are  2% worse off than they used to be. - reason the abuse of money voted by the Congress for assistance to people to overcome Covid as $700 billion is spent on anything but Covid  issues and they have a rash of expenditure proposals running at over S10 trillion that would just add to the inflation since it means printing of money covered by loans  for short term projects;

*        race hatred propaganda in schools and the army

to name just a few.    

The buying of arms and ammunition has exploded in the USA and the result is there are shortages of those and waiting lists as well -guns shops that closed down because of lack of trade in certain cities have re-opened and  there are ques for buying of those  reason the Government has abdicated its responsibilities for protecting people and the result is the people are trying to protect themselves. against rampant criminality.    Of course none of the above is covered in the fake propaganda media  you believe in and quoted .

The issue of voter identification being removed and opposition to vote harvesting is supported by over 80% of the voters - but the Democrats insist on it - reason it would legalize future election fraud/.

By the way  the  Democrats accused Trump of mishandling the Covid pandemic.- what is going on now is real mishandling.    Great announcement - masks is not necessary and life is returning to normal.    Fourteen days later masks are essential and meetings are banned with travel restrictions and business closures back.    Even the New York Times and Washington posts are getting uneasy and ask for data used to justify the new restrictions but nothing is provided  - the corrupt King Biden and his  lying Crown Prince Faucci  decided on it.    It does not apply to the Democrat bigwigs - but everyone else must obey them.

Barr promised that everybody involved in the Epstein  Pedophile   operation - the Democrats shut down the investigation.   And Cuomo reigns in New York State - so the farce continue.  Barr appointed a special task team to deal with the   allegations against Cuomo and the report is a shocker.      So the Assistant attorney general decided not to go ahead woth criminal charges - and the Democrats  decided to get rid of him as Governor  - or that is what they pretend will happen.    Reason the criminals in the  Democratic Party cannot afford that Cuomo goes to jail - he may just make statements that confirm criminality of others - so keep him happy and pass financial benefits to him preventing him from talking. 

The rest of the world are nervous about  potential crisis of international proportions and 385 of the voters are happy that Biden will cope with any such crisis   - but 46% are anxious about that  issue.    

The Democrats are destroying  the USA and the world is more unstable than it was for 30 years - so what is going to happen?    .      

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I must be a nutcase - a coup by armed protestors is a total joke and I are stupid enough to accept that propaganda farce as something serious.

There were no arms and that video you posted confirmed that.    Read the rest of what i wrote above and what I wrote are facts that needs to be taken into account when dealing with the crazy situation in the USA at present.        

Definition of a Republican......."You choose the facts you want and dismiss the ones you don't want."

To date I've yet to see one Trump-Puppet on here strongly condemn the disgusting and disgraceful insurrection. All of it happened under Trump's watch.

Dnny

Please ignore Mozart quisling remarks - that type is normal with him.   Fact is there were no insurrection - please study what an insurrection actually entails. and then ask how  500 unarmed people entering the Capitol can  be called an insurrection.    Unfortunately it is a propaganda story of  the media.     

Mike

Look at the video footage, cut it anyway which way you want it was ugly, the world watched in horror as our leading democracy succumbed to third world behavior. Iran, North Korea, China and every other dictatorship rejoiced. Closer to home I say again, non of you have condemned what happened on that day. 

As for Sleez.....watch him follow me around, I bother him, he doesn't bother me...too funny.

And oh BTW....the stock market is whistling

The rich benefit from the stock market - the poor pay the price for inflation.   As to what happened - there was no armament or anything like that involved.    The US$ is down about 25% against a batch of other countries in excahnange value and that also stokes inflation.

I do not deny that there were scenes that was unacceptable - but an insurrection it was not.    Fact is Pelosi decided who should represent the  Republicans on  the investigation and picked two that would support anything she wants them to support.   The nominees  were not those of the RP and  that was unacceptable.in a Democracy.    There were also  serious question marks about the role of the FBI and the  Washington Police on the date.  The day before the 6 January 2021 meeting Trump phoned Pelosi and said he is afraid there may be unrest stemming from a meeting and suggested serious action should be taken  to protect the Capital and other government Buildings in case some people become a threat.  Pelosi as Speaker was responsible for guarding the Capitol did nothing and neither did  the FBI and Washington Police.    At the meeting he strongly urged the people not to break the law when protesting and he left the site where he addressed the people.  It was after that meeting that the people went into the city and the unlawful trespassing occurred.               

The fact is there were far more serious problems in the riots in 2020 and  that was kept away from being viewed  by the news services supporting the Democratic Party.   They never reported on the riots and claimed the protests were peaceful.    Peaceful it was not - 45 murders and looting and burning down  thousands of businesses  causing $2,5 billion damage is definitely not peaceful.   

Neither did they report on the crime problem  and the Mexico border area.   The recent unrest in SA was bad in three urban areas - it was worse in many more places in the USA.   There are still "autonomous zones" in some cities run by  BLM and Antifa supported by the local Democrats where the Police is not allowed in to deal with crime.    Murder numbers in the USA are up 30% on what it was in the USA in the whole of 2020.    But total quiet in the media that you have access to.   It is so bad that the murder rate in Chicago is the highest per capita in cities in the whole of North and South America.    The fact is that 45% of deaths of Black males between 18 and 45 years old are the result of murder.    These figures are available - but hidden away by the media.

As to the influx of 1,5 million so-called refugees - they were carted to cities throughout the USA and am housed in hotels at taxpayer expense  - also fed and transported at the cost of the same taxpayers.     Biden is attacking the Texas and Florida Governors to try and get the economy going in their areas for rsiting mandates that restrict people in their States - but when  it comes to the so-called "refugees" spreading Covid  the Texas Government forbid the  transfer of people  within Texas - Biden tried to overrule the Governor.   No plan - but the whole thing is an abuse of Law and the Constitution.

Ever since Biden became President the USA is in crisis after crisis   and the handling of Covid problems are chaotic.   The Administration  clearly  do not know what is happening from day to day and change their stories by whim.  Fact is that the leadership  do not follow the rules themselves what they lay down for the plebs to follow.    

I follow a number of news channels inclusive of  CNN and MSNBC and what they broadcast is amazing - everything  is 100%  fine and there are no problems.   The Plebs apparently does not ebleive  hem and are queing at gun shops to buy firearms to protect themselves since the Police is being  undermined by the Dmocrats and cannot function.  The policing is so bad most Democrat cities have less  than 50% of the Police Force available  - the rest has resigned or took early retirement because their employers are undermining them and attack them openly.

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America almost became the French Civil War, with the peasants trying to take away control. 

Some of the capitol rioters shit all over the floor and wrote on walls with their own feces. 

Fact is CleverMike wished he was at the Capitol riot with the other Trumpanzees so he could write all over the walls with his BS. 

Jonathan Pie is pure class! Always on the button.

SB

Where is the proof that the protestors were armed - you imbecile?    What the protestors did was unacceptable - but what the rioters did in 2020 paid for and organized by the Democrats include murder and treason.

It could all have been avoided if that arch criminal Pelosi acted and improved the security of the Capitol after Trump asked her to up the security on 6 January 2021.     He did so because the hatred of the Democrats and the media of anything American caused a reaction and even he feared it might get out of hand.   Pelosi did fuck all and to avoid being questioned on that issue she appointed two Republicans  who were not nominated by the Party to represent the Party.   That turns this whole invetigation into a witch hunt and that is all it is - a political propaganda exercise because the Democrats fucked up royally everything they touched after Biden became President and the independents and even moderate Democrats are deserting them in droves.  

The moderate  Democrats  and independents did not vote for Biden to do what he is doing now., but you will claim that opinion polls conducted for he media make you believe he is popular.    So popular at a Townhouse  meeting in Ohio they could not fill half of the seats in  the hall catering for 500 people.   In Virginia less than a third of the seats were filled when he  addressed the crowd.    If he was that popular i would be possible  to get people to fill those smallish venues.      According to one opinion poll 62% of the respondents said he is not the real Presidnet - but a front for the real decisionmakers.      

Anyway - it is easy to influence and brainwash people unable to think for themselves so Pie in the sky is what you two  listen to and take seriously - very funny and  good for a very good laugh.      

Kak - who in th cities are now queing to buy guns and they are not republicans.   How many  owners of  guns for gun-related  crimes?  

i can see an idiot who wrote the above belongs in a loony bin.   /Happy I diots Day to you.      

Pure class, LOL. 

Low working class english language...on the contrary zero class whatsoever...vile character.

A Rudeneck hero...fitting.

‘We sawr it happen’….uneducated buffoon.

If there is any way the Dems can pin this on Trump they would. Trump was unwise to address the mob, but he told them to protest peacefully.

Case closed.

" If there is any way the Dems can pin this on Trump they would. Trump was unwise to address the mob, but he told them to protest peacefully.

Trump was right…there was election fraud. There always is. I have no idea if there was enough to swing the election…and almost certainly there was no way of making that case before the government changed. 

What you are missing was the huge fraud foisted on the voters….Russian collusion in 2016….the lie that haunted Trump’s presidency. And the lie that was still believed by a large majority of Democratic voters.

The media in a sophisticated democracy had the obligation to correct their record. But they were willing to do anything to get Trump, so they didn’t.

And that lie swung the election. What happened at the Capital was a silly tantrum. The serious cheating was done by the Media. By foul mouthed obvious fools like Jonathan Pie.

Slav

If there were indeed no fraud in the election why do the Democrats oppose the forensic audit of the election wherever it is being done or will be done.  If their hands were indeed clean they should welcome the audits and thus show up the Republican campaign as being a farce and a total fraud in itself from which the Party would never survive  - so why are they opposing it every step of the way?         

Precisely, if one is clean and honest, why should one oppose investigation and in this case audits.

When you see dishonest politicians in SA, ie Zuma, Ace and a host of others including the president ducking and diving, also vacillating, pussy footing and ambigious you naturally assume shenan agins...the same applies everywhere in politics, sport (Rassiegate etc) and ones dealings in private life. If you have nothing to hide, transparency should be natural.

At least that's the way I grew up and found. 

Trump was right…there was election fraud. There always is. I have no idea if there was enough to swing the election…and almost certainly there was no way of making that case before the government changed.

No Trump wasn't right, he wasn't referring to typical very low scale election fraud by individuals that you could expect in any election in any country with millions of voters and that would have no material effect on the outcome of the election. He was referring to fraud on a much grander scale as part off a conspiracy by his political opponents to change the outcome of election against him.

"What you are missing was the huge fraud foisted on the voters….Russian collusion in 2016….the lie that haunted Trump’s presidency. And the lie that was still believed by a large majority of Democratic voters.

Ah yes, you have repeatedly brought this up as the reason Trump lost. The findings of the Mueller report where covered extensively by all the media in the US and internationally at the time of its release including the finding that no collusion was found between the Trump campaign and the Russians. But it also did find that the Russian's where interfering in the election extensively and that Trump campaign welcomed this and expected to benefit from it. In addition the investigation established links between Trump campaign officials and the Russian government about which several persons connected to the campaign made false states obstructed investigations. Trump was also not exonerated on potential obstruction of justice of the investigation. 

The media reported all of this, so the American public are free to make up their own mind. The report does not cast Trump in a good light regardless of the lack of collusion. Why did the Trump campaign not flag up that the Russian's where interfering in the election, didn't it bother them that American democracy was being interfered with..why where the Russian's interfering? (and we all know who they wanted to win the election), why did Trump officials lie about their links with the Russian government?, etc etc.  People will make up their own minds and with Trump being an established liar, its not surprising many still believe he did collude with the Russian's, particularly if they already disliked him, that may not be fair but that's no different that Republican's believe crap about Biden being controlled by China. Its not like Fox News and the far right alt media are a bastion of honesty is it?

And that lie swung the election. What happened at the Capital was a silly tantrum. The serious cheating was done by the Media. By foul mouthed obvious fools like Jonathan Pie.

stav

I ask you a simple question - why are the Democrats obstructing  election forensic audits and not supporting it to embarrass the Republican Party if they have nothing to hide?    The first audit is about to come out and we will have to see whether there was indeed major election fraud coming out.  If there was then the Democrats will  indeed in deep trouble.     

There were indeed  three states where more than 140 000 votes were recorded  within a few minutes added to the Biden votes - eg Pennsylvania,  Wisconsin and Michigan - the one in Michigan taking 5 seconds.    That was statistically impossible within the time frames indicated.   The additions were over 140 000 for Biden and  just over 3 000 for Trump in the case of Michigan.   Was that possible at all since there is nowhere in the USA where Trump got only 2% of the votes actually casted.    Somethings seems to be weird and those needs to be  investigated.     The other problem raising serious questions are in Georgia where counters and supervisors  were sent home because of a water breakage problem and a few counters remained drawing suitcases full of votes from underneath the tables and keep counting those - all recorded on cameras recording the counting.     The results were apparently crooked as shown by a camera showing a women feeding the same summary sheets repeatedly into the computer as well.       

All the above needs to be investigated  to determine whether there were indeed  organized fraud on wide scale involved.   The camera recorded incident  is indeed  solid evidence of fraud anyway, so an essential investigation is to be  done. 

The above is hidden by the mainstream media and you will obviously not be aware of it.                              

I ask you a simple question - why are the Democrats obstructing  election forensic audits and not supporting it to embarrass the Republican Party if they have nothing to hide?

Because its a political stunt by the Republicans and if the Democrats where to support it would only serve to give their bogus claims of election fraud credibility. As for supporting it being an opportunity to embarrass the Republicans, their is no chance of that, as after 4 years of Trump's antics and then the capital riot if they where not already deeply embarrassed they never will be. They have no shame at this point.

You can always simply look up the reasons the democrats give for not supporting the audit.

https://apnews.com/article/elections-government-and-politics-election-recounts-arizona-025a0370563bb095f5f96f17710daa26

"There were indeed  three states where more than 140 000 votes were recorded  within a few minutes added to the Biden votes - eg Pennsylvania,  Wisconsin and Michigan - the one in Michigan taking 5 seconds.    That was statistically impossible within the time frames indicated.   The additions were over 140 000 for Biden and  just over 3 000 for Trump in the case of Michigan.   Was that possible at all since there is nowhere in the USA where Trump got only 2% of the votes actually casted.    Somethings seems to be weird and those needs to be  investigated. !

The voting spikes in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan are explained here.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wi-pa-mi-vote-spikes-idUSKBN27Q307

"The other problem raising serious questions are in Georgia where counters and supervisors  were sent home because of a water breakage problem and a few counters remained drawing suitcases full of votes from underneath the tables and keep counting those - all recorded on cameras recording the counting.     The results were apparently crooked as shown by a camera showing a women feeding the same summary sheets repeatedly into the computer as well. "

False claim, debunked here.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/16/fact-check-claim-ga-vote-spike-biden-after-pipe-burst-false/3879081001/

All the above needs to be investigated  to determine whether there were indeed  organized fraud on wide scale involved.   The camera recorded incident  is indeed  solid evidence of fraud anyway, so an essential investigation is to be  done.

No investigation needed, the claims have already been debunked. 

The above is hidden by the mainstream media and you will obviously not be aware of it.  

There is countless claims of voter fraud going around online and the mainstream media simply can't check every unsubstantiated claim. But they do check the claims that seem to have gained the most traction like the ones you posted above. You clearly haven't checked. It took me all of a couple of seconds on google to find multiple media outlets who have addressed or debunked these claims. Simply type "140,000 votes" into google or "Georgia vote counters sent home water leak" into google.

Stav

I am afraid  that I do not agree with you here.     Quoting fromn media that support the Democrats all out is not really an answer.    In the USA  the votes in cities  comes in first and that i9s also the case that in no election can any party claim 98% of the vote for one candidate.    And all three states announced changes in voting patterns within minutes.    The counting and checking of those votes will take hours - especially since the supposed mail--in votes are supposed to be signed on the outside  envelops to  confirm identity.    

then there is the classic in which a transport driver under oath claimed to deliver a lorry load of votes  from New York to a to  the counting center in Philadelphia  and thousands of votes returned before the votes were sent out or the day it was mailed to voters it was returned and a very large percentage the next day.   It must be a super postal service that ensured that could happen.

I am rather prepared to see what really happened in Arizona and neither the media or you nor I would be deciding on the issue -0 but the courts will and things do not loo0k goiod for the story in Arizona.      However, lets wait and see what happens.        .       

Okay got it….the media treated the Trump collusion story in a balanced way, made sure the public understood that no collusion was found and didn’t try to spin what he said in the  Covid Task Force briefings.

The Trump collusion story went on for ages and was given a huge amount of coverage by the media, no one could possible know everything the media reported on it, but sure I wouldn't be surprised if they where not balanced in their coverage.

But here are the facts, Trump is hated by a substantial portion of American's. There wasn't one single cause for this hate, its everything from controversial policies, like the travel ban directed against Muslims, his border wall with Mexico, his ego mania, his consistent lying, embarrassing gaffs on the world stage, his trade wars, his policies making wealth inequality in America get worse, pulling out of the Iran deal, pulling of the Paris accords, his budding up to Authoritarian leaders, his racist dog whistles, his track record with women, his endless golf rounds (after he sent years criticizing Obama for playing golf instead of working).

Now you can add in the perception that Trump colluded with the Russians and call that unfair, but to single that out as what swung the election is just an excuse. It may have been a contributing factor but there far more important factors at play, like his pandemic response.

As for the media spinning his Covid briefings and all the claims of the media misreporting Trump during the duration of his presidency. Reminds me of 1984 " The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

Stav 

90% of the hatred came from media lies and distortions - which were never proved - not even the Mueller witch hunt found anything that proves that the trump- collusion with Putin existed.   It went on for 7/24 for four years and that was what caused the public to be unhappy about.

The situation is that the hate campaign of the Democrats caused  huge  political division and most people have had enough of the constant  media campaigns and  that is why a large number of centrists voted for Biden because he promised to heal the division.     That "healing" was never  implemented and the situation now is 5r times  worse than it was last year.   

The ultra-leftist policies now being implemented has caused chaos in the USA and the open border policy of Biden iro the Mexican  Border has driven away Latino support for the Democrats in huge numbers.    In recent local elections in Texas - especially in areas where Latino voters are the majority has seen support for the Democrats drop by 25% plus.

In the case of the Mexican border the trafficking of humans and drugs by gangsters   is a huge problem and ;law and order has effectively broken down  along the whole border.    A huge percentage of the 1,5 million "refugees" who entered  the USA since January 2021 are Covid positives - and set free in the communities without any vaccination and from the border distributed to other states in secret by the government.   

 In the meantime the Canadian border is closed and that creates problems for people living on that  border  since many people live in for instance Michignan and work in Canada.   On the other hand the Biden administration has banned Cuban refugees from entering  the USA as a result of the recent unrest in Cuba.          

The other problem is the issue of Law and Order.   The Democrats in many cities are in he process of defunding the police - while local Government attorneys elected by Communities are effectively defanning  the Police by not charging criminals and turning them free without bail.  Biden even went so far as to undermining policing by calling the bill dealing with policing after a career criminal.    In the meantime  the number of murders during  the period January to June is 30% higher than in the whole of 2020.   Anther fact is that 45% of the murders are in Black communities between gangs and the main course of death of Black males between 18 and 45 are  murder - which made up over 50% of all deaths recorded.    

As to the above  you will see nothing of it in the media in an effort to protect the present administration - so you are probably unaware of it.     Things are not as good as the media is trying to make it look like.

The restrictions to cater for Covid 19 is being re-introduced and attendance of religosu and sport functions were introduced, while everybody over the age of 3 is instructed to wear masks.   But yesterday Obama gave a party in Marthas Vineyard  attended by about 600 people with 200 serving as waitressing and catering.   According to  photo evidence none of he people at the function wore masks - so the new 'law" is  "Do  as I tell you to do - not what i do myself."   

You will not read about it in the media and definitely not on the internet  - the majority of papers are effectively censored  and do not write about anything that is critical of the present administration so you would not know of the above.      .    \