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Last Stage:Preparing for the great offensive

Started by Beeno154 REPLIES610 VIEWS· 13 May 2023, 11:29
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 May 2023, 11:29
#1
13 May 2023, 11:29#1

Superb analysis of the Ukrainian War and historical insight. 

See if you can spot the difference between informed commentary and the talking heads of MSM. 

Here is expert opinion. It sounds a lot more plausible to me than the junk we get from MSM. What is outlined here of course is buttressed by the leaked Pentagon Papers. 

So could the war end before year end?


The Great Offensive


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SebPro2,680 posts
13 May 2023, 12:45
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13 May 2023, 12:45#2

Brilliant mind and strategist who talks with authority, Beeno. Don't expect the clowns here to recognise this...totally wasted to this audience as has been proven.

Let them believe what they want to...they will find out later when it's too late.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 May 2023, 13:00
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13 May 2023, 13:00#3

18-34

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 May 2023, 13:04
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13 May 2023, 13:04#4

18-39. ..Ouch!!!

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 May 2023, 13:12
#5
13 May 2023, 13:12#5

23-39

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 May 2023, 13:13
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13 May 2023, 13:13#6

25-39

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 May 2023, 13:15
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13 May 2023, 13:15#7

30-39

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 May 2023, 19:40
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13 May 2023, 19:40#8

Draad did you get lost or what. Hahaha. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 May 2023, 19:45
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13 May 2023, 19:45#9

Seb when they think the game is up, the public has turned against the war and the outcries are mounting they will abandon Ukraine and say they did all they could but Ukraine let them down etc etc. Zelensky coukd be the scapegoat. 

By which time who knows how many men will be dead or severely injured. The damage to Ukraine will be massive. 

This war and the Borders crises along with the activities of the Biden Crime Family will all be fully exposed.

There are calls for the Impeachment of Mayorkas. Bannon says they must impeach Garland and Biden now. Excellent way to get the truth to America. 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 May 2023, 21:19
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13 May 2023, 21:19#10

I never thought South Africans would support an international bully like Putin. I guess the sense of fair play we espoused at school was just a charade. Very disappointing.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 May 2023, 01:03
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14 May 2023, 01:03#11

In the years of the Soviet Union, speaking one’s mind might mean being taken to a windowless room and then to Siberia. Today, Russians can – and do – face the same kind of danger for speaking out against Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine. In the words of Pyotr Stolypin: “In Russia, every 10 years everything changes, and nothing changes in 200 years.”


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 May 2023, 09:36
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14 May 2023, 09:36#12

There is more freedom of speech in Russia today than in tbe west. Seen clips of people discussing this are noting dissidents in Russian speaking against the Government are allowed to express their views, not that they gain any traction. 

In the UK a woman was standing across the road of an abortion clinic praying. She ended up getting arrested. 

I tried on a number of times to post the various evidences that Biden led Nato instigated the war. Facts that are indisputable. The posts were blocked. The Brits are living. Under censorship. Many people have had their posts blocked. 

We have all the evidence of censorship in tne USA. 

SO WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU BABBLING ON ABOUT!!! 

As for you Blobbie you wouldn't be the daft hatter you are today if it were not for censorship. Ditto a few other nutjobs posting here. 

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
14 May 2023, 11:19
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14 May 2023, 11:19#13

Speaking of international bullies, did we so soon forget Obama's drone strikes of Syrians? Or the murder of Slobodan Milosevic? Or Merkel threatening military action towards the Eastern block if they didn't allow refugees to flood their lands? Or the numerous yanky excursions to Africa to pressure elections and government policies? Or the attempted murder of Alexander Yanukovych as he rejected their ludicrous demands that would have negatively impacted Ukraine? The international terrorist cartel headed by the USSA is tumbling, and Putin (the leader of the free world) has made them look foolish. It's wonderful to finally see the USSA crumbling to ruin. That cesspit who has no value on the world stage, it's demise is long overdue. Who could have imagined that they would exact their demise with their own dumpy hands. Spectacular. Taste the rainbow 

Mr. Bean, the UK is a dump that is hot on the heels of the USSA for ruin and decay. It's an awful, ugly place whose next generation are a total write-off. Just like the USSA. Violent, aggressive liars who love perversions and gratifying their ever-growing narcissism. They have an innate hatred of truth. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
14 May 2023, 11:40
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14 May 2023, 11:40#14
I'm see that Trump was asked whether he wanted the Ukraine to win. His answer was that he wanted all the killing to stop. Apparently that's not the right answer. In other words, not choosing a side in a deadly game is the taboo. I don't get it. It's difficult to take a final position because you're ultimately faced with the age old question of what means more, land or lives? For me, lives is always the answer. But for others it's land.
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
14 May 2023, 12:37
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14 May 2023, 12:37#15

Neo-libs don't care about lives, they don't care about anything but self. They will destroy all in their path to support whatever they are told to want. Right now, it's to support the GATO backed false government of Ukraine, neo-Nazis. It was never the elected leader whom GAYTO tried to murder. These people have likely never heard of him, don't care to know about him, and couldn't care less what the consequences were for all parties involved. These globalist shackle-draggers are no different to the Sturmabteilung and Schutzstaffel of Kristallnacht. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
14 May 2023, 12:48
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14 May 2023, 12:48#16

If you are not part of the religious cult you are a Nazi fighting God. 

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SebPro2,680 posts
14 May 2023, 13:36
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14 May 2023, 13:36#17

Two ammunition cache's worth an estimate of over 1 Billion US dollars get taken out in Western Ukraine, one in Khmeinitsky and the other a few hours ago, that's nearly half of the latest 2.7 billion package.

Massive Explosion Rocks Town In Western Ukraine | The Drive

Ukraine's ammunition depot blasts cost 1 billion dollars: official - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Has not been reported in Western media, yet...I wonder why...probably been underplayed...taxpayers in USA will be happy no doubt.

I don't know why they only now started to operate in Western areas close to Polish border , where the weapons and ammo was coming in.

 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
14 May 2023, 14:11
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14 May 2023, 14:11#18

I'm see that Trump was asked whether he wanted the Ukraine to win.

His answer was that he wanted all the killing to stop.

Apparently that's not the right answer. In other words, not choosing a side in a deadly game is the taboo. I don't get it. 

But Trump is choosing a side.

Trump's said he could end the war on day 1. We all know what he mean's by that, forcing Ukraine to make concessions, possibly by cutting off American military aid. That would be defacto choosing the side of Russia. And it wouldn't end the fighting immediately, the Ukrainian's would still choose to fight on.

Trump ultimately doesn't care about Ukraine one way or another. His view's on Ukraine are driven by political opportunism, where he's simply taking a contrary position to that of the Biden administration. Its also a position that would apply to his hardcore support base. If the Biden administration had chosen not to support Ukraine, I've no doubt would be hearing Trump attacking the Biden administration for abandoning Ukraine, something he would not have allowed to happen had he been in charge. Of course Trump himself and his supporters will say, Putin would never attacked Ukraine had Trump still been in the White House because he feared Trump (and if you use the word respected instead of feared...well ROFL). But Trump appears to be in no way willing to stand up to Putin.

It's difficult to take a final position because you're ultimately faced with the age old question of what means more, land or lives?

For me, lives is always the answer. But for others it's land.

If the war was to end with a Russian victory, the fighting would stop but don't think the killing would end completely. The Russian's would carry on killing and torturing people they deemed a threat to their control of Ukraine. Its also more than just about land, its also about freedom and national identity, if Ukraine falls to Russia that's millions of people consigned to a less free and prosperous future for god knows how long and the likely erasure of Ukrainian as a national identity and culture.

In the end some things are worth fighting for.


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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
14 May 2023, 14:53
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14 May 2023, 14:53#19

The Russian's would carry on killing and torturing people they deemed a threat to their control of Ukraine. Its also more than just about land, its also about freedom and national identity, if Ukraine falls to Russia that's millions of people consigned to a less free and prosperous future for god knows how long and the likely erasure of Ukrainian as a national identity and culture

This is rich. Can anyone say Yugoslavia? We could go on, and on, and on. Honouring The Minsk agreement was too much for GAYTO and their little minions on social media. The war could have stopped there, but it was necessary for Washington to have that military presence right on Russia's doorstep. I would love to see Russia and/or China overthrow Mexico or Canada, and militarize the border and start persecuting Americans in those countries, building a missile defence system to pin them down. I'm sure the Westies would be all to happy about this, and demonize the USSA if they spoke out against it. Of course not, the shoe hasn't been on the other foot for a long time. That day is closer than you all think. In the case of the USSA, it couldn't come soon enough. It'd be over a century too late. Ukraine is destroyed, and that is more blood on the hands of the West. Those filthy hands know nothing but death; it's just business as usual for this global terrorist cartel. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
14 May 2023, 15:06
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14 May 2023, 15:06#20
GAYTO...I mean really.
I'd say you come across like a 12 year old with autism but frankly that would be insulting to 12 year olds with autism.
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SebPro2,680 posts
14 May 2023, 15:45
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14 May 2023, 15:45#21

There are only 2 probabilities for this conflict considering the realities :

1) Russia will never surrender no matter what. Examine, the Battle of Stalingrad for a start and then Borodino against Napoleon.

2) Ukraine will never surrender either, until the last bullet or last man.

3) Russian manpower and ammunition overwhelms that of Ukraine,

4) The West either won't continue their support  or will not be able (at the cost of their countries detriment) because their ideology is not stronger than their own suffering and demise.

5) Both Ukraine and Russia are.

6) If you continue to prolong the intensity of more and more threatening weapons to target Russia itself, the use of ultimate powerful weapon usage will escalate until the last resort. Russia will rather destroy itself and its enemies than lose a proud and ancient heritage and national pride that's centuries old, it's do or die. Then the end will come. No winners. Peace talks were thrown in the garbage can by these idiots.

7) The foolish leaders have forgotten history and have no memory of what full scale warfare is like, neither do they realise what modern weapons do at full capacity when themselves are the centre...not proxy wars when others outside are used as cannon-fodder. It's an entirely different ball-game.



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
14 May 2023, 16:29
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14 May 2023, 16:29#22

1) Russia will never surrender no matter what. Examine, the Battle of Stalingrad for a start and then Borodino against Napoleon

No one is asking Russia to surrender, just to go home. Like say the Polish-Soviet war of 1919-1921 or the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan.

2) Ukraine will never surrender either, until the last bullet or last man.

Well they might if the war turns against them which there currently is no sign off. And no war literally ends up with one side fighting to the last bullet or man.

3) Russian manpower and ammunition overwhelms that of Ukraine,

Russia unquestionable does have a man power advantage but that's not relevant at the moment because Russia has not enacted full conscription, meaning quite likely its the Ukrainian's who have enacted full mobilization have the manpower advantage. As for ammunition, yes the Russian's do have the advantage and greater capacity to produce more ammunition than Ukraine, but Ukraine is being supplied by the west who's industrial capacity absolutely dwarf's that of Russia.

 4) The West either won't continue their support  or will not be able (at the cost of their countries detriment) because their ideology is not stronger than their own suffering and demise.

There is no sign of that happening at the moment. Now its possible that could change in medium to long term and that's what Putin is no doubt pinning his hopes on, because he can't win as long as the west provide aid.

As for suffering, your pinning your hopes all your hopes that an authoritarian regime can contain the greater suffering its inflicted on its own people through intimidation, fear and suppression so it can outlast western resolve. That say's it all about you as a person.

5) Both Ukraine and Russia are.

What?

6) If you continue to prolong the intensity of more and more threatening weapons to target Russia itself, the use of ultimate powerful weapon usage will escalate until the last resort. Russia will rather destroy itself and its enemies than lose a proud and ancient heritage and national pride that's centuries old, it's do or die. Then the end will come. No winners. Peace talks were thrown in the garbage can by these idiots.

Translation, we are special people, let us take what we want or we will kill you and ourselves and it will be your fault.

7) The foolish leaders have forgotten history and have no memory of what full scale warfare is like, neither do they realise what modern weapons do at full capacity when themselves are the centre...not proxy wars when others outside are used as cannon-fodder. It's an entirely different ball-game.

You're in no position to call anyone else a fool or lecture people on history.


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SebPro2,680 posts
14 May 2023, 17:19
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14 May 2023, 17:19#23

1) They won't go home as long as fanatical groups continue to persecute Russians, in Ukraine, and don't show your ignorance...you have NEVER been there. Also to join NATO, this evil body whose main objective is to sustain USA as the hegemonic boss of the global structures and weakened others like Russia, China and other countries that are growing.

2) Heard of Custers last stand.

3) Where do you prove this or get your information from...this is just propaganda hearsay. Prove it, by saying I've been to Russia, seen the factories operating, long before this conflict. And don't tell it's Russian propaganda when virtually everything that is spread of western platforms are lies through their teeth.

4) People in Russia certainly don't suffer...that's plain lies. I've been there a number of times, since 1999.This is the sort of thing that has turned me completely off my fellowman in the west, they are sick and led astray by false propaganda. It comes from the most gullible of all.

5)The West either won't continue their support  or will not be able (at the cost of their countries detriment) because their ideology is not stronger than their own suffering and demise. BECAUSE "both Russia and Ukraine are" was an answer to the difference to their respective stances.

6) That is normal for all people of national pride.

7) Yes I am, 5 members of my family fought in WW2, one's Spitfire was shot down over the Med and never found in Mediterranean, and my dad was wounded in the desert. Although I was born 11 years after it ended...the war still had a presence of attitudes prevalent in all those that had been there...so much so that German and Japanese motor cars were not bought by those, even in the seventies and eighties I knew Jewish businessmen who would not buy a Mercedes Benz because it was German.

Grow up, you might think you a smart know all youngster but you still have a lot to learn.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 May 2023, 18:56
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14 May 2023, 18:56#24

Fancy old Mozzzzquito talking about bullies. Under Globalist rule America is the biggest bully in the world. Under Globalist rule America is a curse and a threat to humanity.

But look how great it was under an outsider like Trump. No wars, the world at peace and prospering. 

But the days of US hegemony are over. Outside the West the peoples of the World have had enough of US bullying everyone. 

The West itself is being destroyed by the Globalists. I wonder if StavAss saw my post about the invasion of Ireland. Like his Globalist buddy Mozzzzquito he doesn't give a damn his country is being destroyed..

No, informed people now know that the West led by the illigitimate Biden Regime instigated this war. The evidence for this has been posted several times.

The Russian peace terms are absolutely reasonable. 

1  the Russian provinces and Crimea belong to Russia. This will end any possibility of the Zelensky genocide continuing. 

2  Ukraine becomes a neutral buffer state. The continual expansion eastwards by NATO, dispite undertakings not to, are a big reason for Russian marching in. Further it would mean no bio labs on Russia borders and no missiles etc. It would also stop the USA once again building an army to attack Russsia in another proxy war. 

3. The denazification of the Ukraine. STAVASS appears to be pretending the Nazi don't have a big say in what happens in Ukraine. He is either an ignorant prick or a liar. Probably both. 

But at the root of the problem is the Globalist desire to crush Russia and effect Regime Change and the dismemberment of Russia. Just like the US has tried to effect Regime change in many countries. But they bit off more than they can chew. 

They hate the fact they don't control Russia. 

The war also helped the Globalist depopulization programme. It assisted in the the Globalist war on Energy and food production and helped move the World closer to a financial meltdown. 

I posted a summary of the WEF depopulization policy. By 2050 they plan to take the population down to 1 billion. To begin with the emphasis will be on the White nations of the West but will move on to other races. There will be an elite population and a serf population. The serf population will consist mostly of Asians as they are more accustomed to taking orders. When I see spineless gullible subservient oaks like Sharktwit, Rooitwit, dense Denise, blobbie and STAVASS I do wonder. 

Let's hope McGregor is right and the Russians finish this war off soon. We can also hope that the tyrannical Globalist with suffer one defeat after another in country after country. Then it's time for Nuremberg type trials. 



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 May 2023, 19:07
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14 May 2023, 19:07#25

Mr Deus congrats on your excellent contributions. 

Regarding the people of the USA and UK. Yes there is a lunatic fringe of total scumbags. However I find on Twitter, Gab and Gettr and numerous other sites  excellent, decent people who can't stand what is happening. 

On the UK Daily Mail comments section you will find real anguish about what is happening to their country. I truly feel for these people suffering such a monumental betrayal. 

And don't think STAVASS is your typical Irishman. There are Irish Patriots rising up who are insensed by what is happening. 

The fury of the American people regarding the invasion of the country is on full display on Twitter. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
14 May 2023, 19:08
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14 May 2023, 19:08#26

1) They won't go home as long as fanatical groups continue to persecute Russians, in Ukraine,

Well that's great because there is no fanatical group persecuting Russians in Ukraine. It's a lie Putin tells his people to try to get them to support the war because he knows they won't accept the true motivations behind his invasion, an imperial land grab.

Aside from the point that the people Putin is trying to protect are not actually Russian's they are Russian speaking Ukrainian's (you know the war this conversation is happening in English, which does not make us English) and this war has resulted int he deaths of thousands of them. He's killed far more of them than he will ever save.

you have NEVER been there. Also to join NATO, this evil body whose main objective is to sustain USA as the hegemonic boss of the global structures and weakened others like Russia, China and other countries that are growing.

What is it with you and this childish you have NEVER been there. Like I could just throw this nonsense back to you. Have you NEVER been to a NATO summit or been privy to any NATO meetings. So shut up you know nothing about NATO you. 

2) Heard of Custers last stand.

Custers last stand was not a war, nor was it an example of a country fighting to the last man.

3) Where do you prove this or get your information from...this is just propaganda hearsay. Prove it, by saying I've been to Russia, seen the factories operating, long before this conflict. And don't tell it's Russian propaganda when virtually everything that is spread of western platforms are lies through their teeth.

Are you saying the Ukrainian's haven't declared full mobilisation and Russia has? Are you seriously suggesting Russia's military output potential matches the combined might of the west and western aligned countries. Its even more lobsided than what the German's faced in World War II. Hitler would of liked you, he liked those with blind devotion who shard his belief in final victory.

4) People in Russia certainly don't suffer...that's plain lies. I've been there a number of times, since 1999.This is the sort of thing that has turned me completely off my fellowman in the west, they are sick and led astray by false propaganda. It comes from the most gullible of all.

Don't suffer?, tell that the wives and mothers of soldiers coming home in body bags in their thousands. Thousands of Russian soldiers are dead, hundreds of thousands have been drafted, hundreds of thousands have fled Russian to avoid the draft and the harshest sanction regime in history has been placed on Russia. There is no way Russia's economy can not have been seriously affected and to a much greater degree than the west. And you call us gullible?

5)The West either won't continue their support  or will not be able (at the cost of their countries detriment) because their ideology is not stronger than their own suffering and demise. BECAUSE "both Russia and Ukraine are" was an answer to the difference to their respective stances.

Not following you? Your saying both Russia and Ukraine are stronger than the West? They are able to suffer more for their ideology than the west?

6) That is normal for all people of national pride.

No its not. Its 2023, you can't go around invading neighbouring countries. Its just not cool anymore.

7) Yes I am, 5 members of my family fought in WW2, one's Spitfire was shot down over the Med and never found in Mediterranean, and my dad was wounded in the desert. Although I was born 11 years after it ended...the war still had a presence of attitudes prevalent in all those that had been there...so much so that German and Japanese motor cars were not bought by those, even in the seventies and eighties I knew Jewish businessmen who would not buy a Mercedes Benz because it was German.

Respect to your family members who served during WW2 and I understand why people would choose to buy German or Japanese products if they where directly affected by the events of WW2. We have something similar here in Ireland where people will not vote for the political party Sinn Fein because they believe they are too closely linked with the IRA.

But none of that mean's the version of history you have lead to believe which is heavily mixed up with conspiracy theories is true. 

And everyone always has a lot to learn.  All of life is a learning process, I suggest you start it.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
14 May 2023, 19:12
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14 May 2023, 19:12#27

He is either an ignorant prick or a liar. Probably both. 

LMAO.

The fury of the American people regarding the invasion of the country is on full display on Twitter. 

HAHAHAHA Stop it...my sides are splitting.

 I mean you're opinion has about as much value as a skid mark in a toilet but man you can be comedy gold at time.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 May 2023, 19:36
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14 May 2023, 19:36#28

Wow what a powerful debunking of my arguments. Have a warm glass of milk and get back to your coloring books snowflake. Enjoy your home until the migrants boot you out.

STAVASS you are a clueless wonder. The wonder being how any body could be as ignorant  as you. Bwahahahaha. 

You take a look at what Americans think of the invasion of their country. But you are such a pathetic twit you don't give a damn about Ireland. What a total disgrace ou STAVASS is.

Fortunately Ireland have real men who will fight to save the country. Hope they succeed. 

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SebPro2,680 posts
14 May 2023, 19:49
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14 May 2023, 19:49#29

Custers last stand was a part of the BigHorn Battle, it was a war, not a mere skirmish.

Are you saying the Ukrainian's haven't declared full mobilisation and Russia has? Are you seriously suggesting Russia's military output potential matches the combined might of the west and western aligned countries.

No, I'm not saying that at all. Let me elaborate.

 What I was implying was both peoples (Slavs) Russia and Ukrainian, motivation (resilience and ability to sustain discomfort and pain) supercedes that of any Western ideology.

Russia's military arsenal is huge and it has been stockpiling for years according to Western Military Inspectors observation...it is certainly enough ...whether it is more or less does not matter.

NATO was originally formed to contain the fear of USSR and not the Federation of Russia. It is as  clear as daylight and needs no further comment.

People are coming home in bodybags, happens in wars, what is worst on Ukraine side is a lot have gone missing in action, without respectful burial or so it appears.

No National Pride will never die...maybe in your head but it stills reigns supreme in most well bred societies,

You are playing with words, being cunning and manipulating...similar to what some other posters on here.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
14 May 2023, 22:23
#30
14 May 2023, 22:23#30

 Have a warm glass of milk and get back to your coloring books snowflake

LOL when I'm done I'll send the colouring book on to you. I'm sure a colouring book might be a bit too advanced for you to have ever finished one, so I'm sure it it would be nice for you to finally see a completed one in real life. The pretty colours might calm you down too. I just need to ensure they are not the colours of that gateway pundit website.

 What I was implying was both peoples (Slavs) Russia and Ukrainian, motivation (resilience and ability to sustain discomfort and pain) supercedes that of any Western ideology.

Well that remains to be seen. But I think you're mistakenly assuming that Putin's motivations are shared by the majority of the Russian people, its just Putin doesn't give them a choice. 

Russia's military arsenal is huge and it has been stockpiling for years according to Western Military Inspectors observation...it is certainly enough ...whether it is more or less does not matter.

It's huge because the Soviet Union was a thing and thus Russian inherited vast amounts of Soviet military equipment. But that says nothing for the quality or condition of that equipment it inherited. And huge as it is, its not limitless. I've seen reports that Russian started the war with a stockpile of 18 million artillery shells and had used about half of them by December 2022. Russia's production capacity is estimated to be 2-3 millions shell per year. Russia will have to either reduce its artillery usage or faces shortages by around the end of the year. Nor does it change the fact the potential military production capacity of the West absolutely dwarfs that of Russia if NATO and western aligned countries where to commit 6% of their GDP spending to military spending, that would exceed 100% of Russian GDP.

NATO was originally formed to contain the fear of USSR and not the Federation of Russia. It is as  clear as daylight and needs no further comment.

Yes it was formed to contain the USSR. After the USSR fell their was plenty of questions of whether NATO was still needed, but ultimately while the West hoped Russia would become a trusted partner on the world stage, it kept NATO around as an insurance policy, and that decision now looks completely justified.

People are coming home in bodybags, happens in wars, what is worst on Ukraine side is a lot have gone missing in action, without respectful burial or so it appears.

All of it unnecessary. The US did not engineer a coup in Ukraine. Ukraine had no short to medium term prospects of joining NATO, there was no NATO weapons in Ukraine pre February 2022, no NATO country or Ukraine was threating Russia and there was no genocide in the Donbass.  All of it was lies. Russian's solider are dying for no other reason than Putin delusions that makes him believes he's destined to restore Russia to be great power nation once again. Ukrainian's are dying to stop his delusions.

No National Pride will never die...maybe in your head but it stills reigns supreme in most well bred societies,

You have a warped vision of National Pride when you think its an acceptable reason to attack a neighbour that posed no threat to you.

You are playing with words, being cunning and manipulating...similar to what some other posters on here.

Just calling it how I see it.



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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 May 2023, 03:05
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15 May 2023, 03:05#31

Why invade Ukraine ?

Not one of the bent Christian brigade can answer that simple question.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 May 2023, 04:51
#32
15 May 2023, 04:51#32

"Why invade Ukraine ?"

I can't for the hell of it understand it either...doesn't make sense.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 May 2023, 05:23
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15 May 2023, 05:23#33

That's one mystery ...................... another, why do supposed devout Christians wholeheartedly & enthusiastically support this devastating invasion & show absolutely zero empathy for the innocent victims of this murderous incursion.

All we get is , blame the USA!

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
15 May 2023, 05:36
#34
15 May 2023, 05:36#34

None of these Ukro supporters know anything about Ukraine or Russia. All they spill out is the media garbage they listen to. Odessa in the Ukraine was always part of Russia previously. Catherine the Great made a decree forming it part of Ukraine. Now Biden wants it part of the USA. 


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 May 2023, 05:44
#35
15 May 2023, 05:44#35
Case closed.
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
15 May 2023, 06:00
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15 May 2023, 06:00#36
You can't be a bent satanist come to think of it,since he's been bent from the beginning. We don't listen to the media lies. We could err in our worldview but politics is what it is 
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 May 2023, 07:24
#37
15 May 2023, 07:24#37

None of these Ukro supporters know anything about Ukraine or Russia. All they spill out is the media garbage they listen to. 

None of these Pro Russian supporters know anything about Ukraine or the West. All they spill out is the alt media garbage they listen to.

Odessa in the Ukraine was always part of Russia previously. Catherine the Great made a decree forming it part of Ukraine.

Way too contradict yourself in two sentences.

Now Biden wants it part of the USA. 

I mean what the fuck?

We don't listen to the media lies.

AKA...We just listen to nutjobs on youtube and facebook that tell us what we want to hear.


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SebPro2,680 posts
15 May 2023, 08:04
#38
15 May 2023, 08:04#38

We all have different perceptions and views of things. These "things" are based on what we trust genuinely or how we are "wired" and how we are "wired" depend on our background and values we are taught in our young days.

What one sees today, is people don't really care about truth, truth can be manipulated. Our media platforms are stained with lies, lies about others we certainly don't know or tried to find out about by actually researching from all angles. We judge only from these sources. We judge individuals, nations and governments accordingly to what they say. We judge without actual experience or are to lazy or too dishonest to investigate a fair or reasonable view. We get intoxicated with fragile ego boosting opinions, when the real truth is never sort, only to deceive ourselves. Conscience means zero as long as we go with the flow, the path of least resistance. Others are fence-sitters that don't want to offend...

Well, one of the things when I was a child that was severely dealt with was dishonesty and lying. It was never tolerated and there was no such thing as a "white"lie...it normally ended with six of the best. If we did something wrong it was always expected from us to "own up" as the only way acceptable. It was a foundation stone to learn responsibility. Such things don't seem to be understood today.

This is just one thing, there were many others.


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 May 2023, 08:25
#39
15 May 2023, 08:25#39

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SebPro2,680 posts
15 May 2023, 08:53
#40
15 May 2023, 08:53#40

Truth can be manipulated.Typical dishonesty and hypocrisy.

There are countless buildings that have been hit on both sides. Some intentionally but also some not so...these things happen unfortunately in war. Grow up, this is not a "pussy cats tail" or Disneyland. It's ugly yes, but war is always, whether justified or not.

Get off your fat posterior and examine Belgrade (Yugoslavia) in 1999 when NATO, illegally without UN Support decimated the capital by depleted uranium missiles and carpet bombing of civilians, ordered by Bill Clinton or are you completely ignorant of this...there are videos and photographs of this.

When you point a finger at others, just remember there are numbers of other fingers pointing back at you.

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