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Let’s get real….

Started by Mozart27 REPLIES549 VIEWS· 10 May 2023, 16:18
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 May 2023, 16:18
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10 May 2023, 16:18#1

….lots of claims the US is declining. Apple’s stock market value $2.6 trillion….the whole German stock market $1.3 trillion.


The truth is, in terms of thought leadership, intellectual property, cultural dominance and wealth…..the US’s leadership has never been greater. That’s what happens when you lead the most significant change in Society since the Industrial Revolution.


The economies that are at risk are those tied to old industries that are being renewed. Battery cars will have significant effect on machine shop brands like BMW, Porsche and Mercedes. As an example, Lucid an out of nowhere start up, is producing a car that is far more desirable and sophisticated than the hyped Mercedes CQS electric.


Having a society that is hooked on change isn’t always a good thing, but when change is inevitable, it’s a competitive advantage.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 May 2023, 16:29
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10 May 2023, 16:29#2

Some of the charges are destructive...most are for good though.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 May 2023, 16:42
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10 May 2023, 16:42#3

I actually preferred the nineties….you had time to reflect. But now there is a constant barrage of new ‘apps’ that you have to get. In the States you can’t function without your iPhone.

I’m sitting in Chicago turning on and off my security system in Florida from my iPhone. My boarding pass is on my Phone. I operate the building elevators on my phone….it’s my computer, my fax machine, my book. Pretty soon it’s going to be my GP.


We have talked about this before, but I wonder how the human mind will be affected. I tried an old question I have explored in the past, on Chat GPT….how long it would take to get to the nearest star flying as fast as any man made object has ever travelled.


Back in the day it took a bit of effort….on Chat it was available in seconds, 7000 years. Which effectively says inter stellar travel is impossible. But the data is instantly available….so now perhaps intelligence is manifested in framing the question, machines will provide the answers.

Glad I lived in the 20th century.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
10 May 2023, 18:07
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10 May 2023, 18:07#4

The nature apps are very educating. 

Peakfinder, stargazing apps, windy.com

They make the universe, oceans and mountains come alive.... cities suck. 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
11 May 2023, 06:47
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11 May 2023, 06:47#5
I can't see how anyone can say the US is declining. If you think they're declining then you don't understand just how much they are leading, much less the yank work ethic and professionalism. Europe gave rise to woke culture and its currently being fed through American society. Like most mind viruses it took hold quickly but yet again it's American logic that is providing the immune response while Europe is jailing people for speech. I don't have a problem with technology and there is no time in history that I would rather be alive. As Moz says, today, so much relatively accurate information is available almost instantly. How could one not love that? We recently decided to build a jetty on our river frontage. I asked ChatGPT to give me some tips. Of course it didn't tell me everything I needed to know but it provided an excellent outline. One that included providing time for planning permission etc. Absolutely brilliant. AI is yet another paradigm shifting technology where the US is absolutely leading the charge...not only in the tech itself but also in debating the permutations of it. When people talk about the decline of the US, some do it out of fear and others out of wishful thinking. But when it gets down to it, the actual evidence for decline is sparse at best while the evidence to contrary is almost everywhere you look.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
11 May 2023, 08:53
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11 May 2023, 08:53#6

"The nature apps are very educating"

"Picture This" and "Plant Parent" are two apps that I have recently been busy trying out..... 

Simply put.... they are both quite amazing.

You take a picture of any plant, or just a leaf, and the app immediately diagnoses what the plant is, and also what is wrong with the plant.... and then tips and tricks going forward etc etc

Technology hey.....

From my Sony Walkman..... putting those Eveready batteries on my house roof, in the sun, to get a extra hour's use out of them, to now using a cellphone or LTE watch for music and calls, which lasts for hours / days, and can be repeatedly recharged within a hour.

Technology hey....

Nah, we were no doubt born in the most exciting era..... 


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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
11 May 2023, 10:41
#7
11 May 2023, 10:41#7

The measure of a society, the stock market. And even more, with no concern about the lavish, liberal emission of USD over the past few years (it was big before and it grew bigger if that was possible)

Newly emitted dollars that may find shelter in the US.

And Apple, what an example. People already forgot that Donald Junior Trump came to power because the average middle Joe resented US firms growing richer without sharing the increase in wealth with them, taking advantage of chinese work force.

Bla, liberal societies have a lot in common with the criminal world. In the criminal world, people are willing to turn a blind eye to certain acts as long as they get a share of the pie. When they no longer do, cracks appear.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
11 May 2023, 10:45
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11 May 2023, 10:45#8

You take a picture of any plant, or just a leaf, and the app immediately diagnoses what the plant is, and also what is wrong with the plant.... and then tips and tricks going forward etc etc

Technology hey.....

What a weird example. In anything, people will either make a profit using this app and people wont. People who wont will fund the enrichment of all the others.

Now people who will make a profit are for the most part people who are already made a profit of plants, meaning they already got the knowledge or were relying on people what have it.


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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
11 May 2023, 10:49
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11 May 2023, 10:49#9

Europe gave rise to woke culture and its currently being fed through American society. Like most mind viruses it took hold quickly but yet again it's American logic that is providing the immune response while Europe is jailing people for speech.

What a narrative. People can believe what they want. It usually is when they expect other people to believe problems occur.

Woke culture gave rise in Europe, American logic that countered it.

Bla, liberals are addicted to submission, the more unbelievable theirs narratives are, the more certain they are is take to submit to believe it.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
11 May 2023, 19:42
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11 May 2023, 19:42#10
Europe gave rise to woke culture and its currently being fed through American society. Like most mind viruses it took hold quickly but yet again it's American logic that is providing the immune response while Europe is jailing people for speech.

Emm the concept of woke or wokism actually started in the US. You're free to look that up.

Tell me the people jailed in Europe you referred too , are you talking about the anti-monarchy protesters arrested over the weekend?

You know the ones in the country where the most anti-woke government in Europe with the possible exception of Hungary have recently just passed laws limiting the right to protest?


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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
11 May 2023, 20:04
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11 May 2023, 20:04#11
The US economy has never been better. It is mostly their lead in IT that puts them in the top spot.
Medium to longer-term prospects might not be as good though. There is more political instability than there has ever been. 

It seems to a lot of Americans - left, centre and right are not happy with how the economy is working for them.

They are not happy with the politicians - and no wonder, because most of them are on the corporate payroll. 

America offshore most of the jobs- and this helped a country like China develop into the biggest competitive threat. To quote Tucker Carlson - "Big Tech outsources your middle-class jobs overseas".

The richest 3% are getting richer - especially the richest 0.5% - it is for too few people that are seeing the benefits of the economy.

The global monopoly and oligopoly marketplaces are not true capitalism. It is a bit like oligarchs mixed with capitalism- instead of a perfect competition market state which is Democratic capitalism. 

More competition would give everyone a bigger slice of the pie, and America's current economy might be down to the environment that was created in the past- than the current one
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
11 May 2023, 23:44
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11 May 2023, 23:44#12
VisKop Does the US outsource more than Europe does?
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
11 May 2023, 23:56
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11 May 2023, 23:56#13
Lol Star...are you saying that people in Europe, places like France, England and Germany, are not being locked up for words? I'm not talking about protesting, I'm talking about having an unpopular opinion on race, sexuality, etc? And I know you're a tad sneaky these days, so don't bring incitement into it because saying gays are %#*£ is not the same as saying everyone should go out and kill gays, blacks, Muslims... But, really, you're going to tell me that you actually believe wokeness to find its roots in the US? And not in the socialist writings and words of so many European "thinkers" and activists?
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 May 2023, 04:49
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12 May 2023, 04:49#14
The land of opportunity and the free...they've got their problems but it's still way ahead of the rest of the pack, problems and all.
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SebPro2,680 posts
12 May 2023, 05:20
#15
12 May 2023, 05:20#15

If history (track record) is not real , then one wonders what land you are living in or does it mean you simply choose to ignore it and pretend it does not exist.

Every thing you do in life, whether right or wrong has directly related consequences, if you sow evil you reap evil, if you sow lies and deceit you reap lies and deceit. You simply cannot escape that, whether you believe it or not.

Someone posted this comment on a video presented a little while ago which which got me thinking:

RAK62

1 month agoI used to think American (NATO) foreign policy was evil, (still do), but I always believed American foreign policy didn't reflect true American values. I'm wrestling with that and am currently undecided but getting close to changing my mind. In 1994 Tonya Harding (American figure skater) destroyed (broke her knee) Nancy Kerrigan because she couldn't win fairly. Was that an anomaly or is that how most Americans compete? That's exactly what America is doing with Russia, Europe, China, and virtually every small country they deal with. If America can't compete, it destroys. Everybody knows it and they silently support it. Remember when Pompeo bragged at a Texas A&M university that the CIA "we lie, we steal, we cheat,”? Well that's not really news but what I found scary was how the entire audience laughed and applauded. Americans seem to support cheating and lying and destroying anyone who might succeed. Americans stopped their government in the Vietnam war. Why have Americans not stopped their government from the continuous regime change, invasions, sanctions, and proxy wars that kill and impoverish people every day? So, either America is not a democracy, or the majority of Americans are as evil as the CIA and their foreign policy. Master List of US Aggression by William Blum Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government) China 1949 to early 1960s Albania 1949-53 East Germany 1950s Iran 1953 * Guatemala 1954 * Costa Rica mid-1950s Syria 1956-7 Egypt 1957 Indonesia 1957-8 British Guiana 1953-64 * Iraq 1963 * North Vietnam 1945-73 Cambodia 1955-70 * Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 * Ecuador 1960-63 * Congo 1960 * France 1965 Brazil 1962-64 * Dominican Republic 1963 * Cuba 1959 to present Bolivia 1964 * Indonesia 1965 * Ghana 1966 * Chile 1964-73 * Greece 1967 * Costa Rica 1970-71 Bolivia 1971 * Australia 1973-75 * Angola 1975, 1980s Zaire 1975 Portugal 1974-76 * Jamaica 1976-80 * Seychelles 1979-81 Chad 1981-82 * Grenada 1983 * South Yemen 1982-84 Suriname 1982-84 Fiji 1987 * Libya 1980s Nicaragua 1981-90 * Panama 1989 * Bulgaria 1990 * Albania 1991 * Iraq 1991 Afghanistan 1980s * Somalia 1993 Yugoslavia 1999-2000 * Ecuador 2000 * Afghanistan 2001 * Venezuela 2002 * Iraq 2003 * Haiti *2004 Somalia 2007 to present Honduras 2009 * Libya 2011 * Syria 2012 Ukraine 2014 * Oh Yeah, Why does America need 863 military bases in 183 countries for "defense" the hypocrisy is mind boggling.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
12 May 2023, 07:41
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12 May 2023, 07:41#16

Lol Star...are you saying that people in Europe, places like France, England and Germany, are not being locked up for words?

Lol Plum if by words you mean expressing "anti-woke" views then yes I'm saying people are not being locked up for words in those countries. Its hilarious to even suggest this about England in particular when its the dog whistling UK government and its client media that are the ones who bang on incessantly about wokeness and are the ones who are trying to stoke the culture wars.

I'm not talking about protesting, I'm talking about having an unpopular opinion on race, sexuality, etc?

And I know you're a tad sneaky these days, so don't bring incitement into it because saying gays are %#*£ is not the same as saying everyone should go out and kill gays, blacks, Muslims...

Saying gays/blacks are %#*£ just makes you a homophobic/racist %#*£. Its something that you could at worse potentially lose your job for if your employer hears you saying it, but no one is going to jail for it in Europe unless what they are saying is an incitement to violence.
But, really, you're going to tell me that you actually believe wokeness to find its roots in the US? And not in the socialist writings and words of so many European "thinkers" and activists?

Yes I really am going to tell you that because that's the truth. It's a term that gained traction in the US around the mid 2000's and early 2010's mostly where it was used in terms of promoting racial equality for blacks. The push back to it also begin in the US where the term was increasingly used in a negative manner by the political right and they also began to broaden the term to include things they generally didn't support, such as LGBT+ rights, feminism, climate change etc. I dunno  I think Veganism might get thrown into it as well?
Wokeness or more accurately anti-woke ness then got imported into Europe to various degrees but generally not to the same extent as in the US, with the exception of maybe the UK and Hungary.  Over here in Ireland the use of the term is increasing (mostly its referred to negatively) but it doesn't pervade political discourse here like it does in the US or UK.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 May 2023, 08:39
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12 May 2023, 08:39#17
...oops. "If the calculator I used on the internet is correct, that's 725% more people arrested in Britain than in Russia. Over speech. Britain, an alleged place of freedom, vs. Russia, a country not known for allowing their people to have any freedom ever. The only British example that came to Kisin's mind was from 2018, and a story we covered here on the Louder with Crowder Dot Com website. A girl, in tribute to a friend who died, posted the lyrics to the friend's favorite rap song. Someone complained about her social media post because it contained a few instances of the no-no word. The girl got arrested and convicted of being racist. over song lyrics. More to Kisin's point, in 2022 we've seen people in the UK get arrested for social media posts that "caused someone anxiety." Another woman was arrested in front of her children over memes she tweeted. Australia isn't much better. Australians got arrested for having opinions that contradicted the government's public health orders. I'd be curious to see where Kisin got his data from. On the surface, it appears in Putin's controlled Russia citizens are freer to speak than British citizens are in what used to be considered the "free world.""
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
12 May 2023, 09:43
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12 May 2023, 09:43#18

Of course this comes this is being pushed by Steven Crowder and where does he sources his UK news from. Why its the heroic anti woke crusaders that are The Daily Mail.

If the calculator I used on the internet is correct, that's 725% more people arrested in Britain than in Russia. Over speech. Britain, an alleged place of freedom, vs. Russia, a country not known for allowing their people to have any freedom ever.

You mean this Russia.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/06/4300-people-arrested-anti-war-protests-across-russia-decounce-vladimir-putin-war-ukraine

Where those protesters not expressing their right to free speech when they where arrested. Please don't tell try to tell me protesting and free speech are not the same thing.

Secondly does anyone trust any sort of official figures that come out of Russia?

As for the cases in Britain, well I don't think you have gone through each and everyone of them to see whether the arrests had merit or not.

The only British example that came to Kisin's mind was from 2018, and a story we covered here on the Louder with Crowder Dot Com website. A girl, in tribute to a friend who died, posted the lyrics to the friend's favorite rap song. Someone complained about her social media post because it contained a few instances of the no-no word. The girl got arrested and convicted of being racist. over song lyrics.

Fair enough, this does seem to be an example of a ridiculous arrest and persecution, where the context of what the girl posted was clearly not factored into the courts decision. Taken in full context clearly what the girl posted wasn't racist. Thankfully she won her appeal and the conviction has been overturned.

More to Kisin's point, in 2022 we've seen people in the UK get arrested for social media posts that "caused someone anxiety." Another woman was arrested in front of her children over memes she tweeted.

In these other two cases, the one in the UK (the guy was actually Irish) the police themselves admitted what they did was not proportional or necessary and he was released without charge, they should have apologized as well. And in the case of the women who was arrested, it was more to do than just posting meme's. She doxed a Trans activist who was taking legal proceedings against her. The police subsequently advised the activist that the received a credible threat of arson against them.

I'd be curious to see where Kisin got his data from. On the surface, it appears in Putin's controlled Russia citizens are freer to speak than British citizens are in what used to be considered the "free world.""

Surely you can't actually think that?



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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 May 2023, 09:55
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12 May 2023, 09:55#19
"Surely you can't actually think that?"
Something I've come to realise . . . never underestimate ButtPlug's ignorance.
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
12 May 2023, 10:06
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12 May 2023, 10:06#20
When it comes to wokeness and culture wars, my views would be similar to this caller into Nick Ferrari on LBC.

Part between 0.41 and 2.52
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 May 2023, 13:43
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12 May 2023, 13:43#21
Seriously Anger you identify with this caller? You see the issue in such simplistic terms?
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
12 May 2023, 14:00
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12 May 2023, 14:00#22

Seriously Anger you identify with this caller? You see the issue in such simplistic terms?

Yes.


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AJHPro3,183 posts
12 May 2023, 14:05
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12 May 2023, 14:05#23

The stock market is doing fine but the national debt is growing faster than the market.

Working class folks are losing ground and their credit cards are soaring.

The average tax payer in the USA is owning 250 K US $ per person of National Debt and the powers that be are playing Santa with a currency that is in decline.

NOT a good time for you the working folk but no fear with the illegals entering the country you soon could be without work and living on handouts just as the government wants it.

But pleased to see that technology is proving a great pastime for some.

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SebPro2,680 posts
12 May 2023, 15:56
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12 May 2023, 15:56#24

Debt has to be paid, believe this. A debt of 31 trillion is disgraceful.

You can duck and dive, manipulate for periods, and deceive others for your selfish gains...stocks markets of hedge funds, derivatives and bonds work only when trading ethics are corrupt...you make a good living with a clear conscience when you do things honestly and fairly with decent talent and respect with your fellow co-traders if you only do unto others as you expect them to do unto you. Honesty is such a lonely word.

Mosquito is a pleasant guy and fairly intelligent guy but as Beeno says very cunning, others are just trolls with empty lives, who have never been anywhere...empty frustrated locked-in men who are empty barrels and kettles making palaver of things they know little about.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 May 2023, 16:10
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12 May 2023, 16:10#25

Russia….GDP per capita $12000.

USA…..GDP per capita $70,000.

Now I wonder which system is working?

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
12 May 2023, 16:26
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12 May 2023, 16:26#26

Certainly a million times better than Russia.

Although when comparing GDP between countries, US data needs to be normalised to account for America having most of the richest individuals in the world. This skews the data of per capita.




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SebPro2,680 posts
12 May 2023, 16:54
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12 May 2023, 16:54#27

Are you run temporary by a system which will collapse eventually or doing what is right or has integrity...the chickens will eventually come home to roost...what you sow you reap...play the fiddle while Rome burns...do you still not understand this?

No, you obviously don't believe this because for you there is no higher judge, ie God.

So you believe all human life just simply dies without Omnipotent judgement, it means you can live like pedophile Epstein and Adolf Hitler and simply turn into dust just like anybody else. Commonsense tells that's not possible or life is just accident or a biological accident? Brainless deduction. There has to be a Creator who is ultimate judge.

USA will pay for their deeds collectively...no question.

What you sow you reap...that you can be 100% sure of. That applies to every one, whether individually or collectively to that which you attach,




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 May 2023, 18:26
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12 May 2023, 18:26#28

Piffle!

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