Anyone in the West who supports Putin, or is anti-Democratic should pack their stuff and go live in an authoritarian country like Russia or Northern Korea. (That includes White South Africans).
It seems most of them are religious, and they are the West's Taliban. We don't need them. All they do is support the other side, because they hate Western Democracy so much.
Lets make the West great again is a wonderful idea - but what is happening now is lets destroy the history and culture of the West and destroy the West - that certainly is not what most people would like to see happening. The people who hate Demcoracy is the leftists and their billionaire over-lords with their Fascist control of the media and their sheeple goes full out to support them.
There is a greater threat to Democracy by the left than there is by the centrists where most people believe in so dream on about the BS you spread. .
Lets make the West great again is a wonderful idea - but what is happening now is lets destroy the history and culture of the West and destroy the West - that certainly is not what most people would like to see happening. The people who hate Demcoracy is the leftists and their billionaire over-lords with their Fascist control of the media and their sheeple goes full out to support them.
There is a greater threat to Democracy by the left than there is by the centrists where most people believe in so dream on about the BS you spread. .
No, the sensible people from the left and right support Democracy. The threat of Russia has reminded the West what we are about.
We can move past the day-to-day battle of ideology to identify a common shared ground for what is most important. All the sensible conservatives in the media share my viewpoints.
The shit from the left and right do not, the faeces of Western society.
Are you talking about the shit Biden is used for by the fascists that controls him and his party - they are the threat to Democracy. Your idea about the threat is real BS you dreamed up after being thoroughly brainwashed by the same people that poses the real threat. The real threat you support are the Globalists - all enemies of Democracy.
Russia is not a threat to anybody other than the people oppressing Russians in Ukraine.- and the west is helping with that oppression by supporting the oppressors - thaqt is no0t defending democracy at all.
Ou Maaik, for the second time, where did you read that the mayor of Bucha said there were no Russian atrocities?
We all know you're a stupid low class liar but now you're being a stinking coward as well.
ButtPlug, like you said other countries would probably do the same as the West if the situation was revered. However they cant because they are even more corrupt than the West, so the are battling with their own people instead of forming a team.
The West has problems with corporates centralising all of the wealth in the hands of a few people, either from monopolies or using illegal practises such as price fixing and over standardisation in an oligopoly market. (E.g. Mcdonalds and Burger King).
So it is making a sham of capitalism where their should be perfect competition if possible.
Or allowing the super rich to pay less than 1% income tax, and little to no corporate tax for the Big companies, while the SME pays the full tax.
The West can hopefully learn and improve and be great again! We need to fix capitalism to be more fair. Not equal, just fair. Crack down on politicians with compliance procedures to block their ability to bribe. Complete financial records of donations to the party like any other company which has to disclose every business transactions that involved VAT/income tax.. Anything that is not declared is fraud, and will lead to court cases and potentially jail sentences.
SB
Even you said that the extreme rich is using their money to bribe people - take for instance Musk who spent more than $500 million to pay to ensure the election outcomes are "democratic". Millions were paid to election - some appointed on instruction from Musk as election officials in targeted states and it was also made to ensure that officials are employed that will implement the Musk agenda. It was nothing more than bribing of election officials to turn a blind eye to election abuses in the 2020 election.
So the so-called signatures on mail-in ballots were not checked and about 57 000 "ballots" in Maricopa County could not be linked to anybody on the voters role - and that is not the only county where in happened. In Wisconson the voters role was augmented to include about 150 000 voters who were registered as voters in 1918. Of those 95% voted in the 2020 election being at least 123 years old or older. . How did that happen? Since no survivors registered in 1918 in fact could have voted in the election unless raised from the dead. - who voted on behalf of them/?
In any event why would Musk spend $500 million to ensure election outcomes are managed and administered by certain officials - that is not necessary at all with very questionable objectives resulting from it? It means taking over the role of Government in the States and cities where the money was spent. The situation should never be allowed to replace Government expenditure to run elections by private individuals and the allocations by Musk were given under certain conditions laid down by him and no accounting of money by cities and states were conducted to determine how the money in fact was used was ever undertaken. If he wanted donate money to the Democratic Party it is fine - but to use money the way Musk did boiled down to bribery and corruption of the election officials.
This goes to the heart of destruction of Democracy by a very dangerous person and whether he was the only one operating the "Musk system" should be investigated in detail - some of his ultra-rich partners should be investigated as well as they used the same system. . A Special Council should be appointed o investigate and report on what really happened.
By the way the Musk allocation of the $500 million was confirmed by the organization he used to deal with the money and details were provided (also the conditions laid down by him for allocation) - but what actually happened to the money as to how it was used need real investigation. .
So auditting of how the $500 million was actually spent needs to be undertaken to determine who was paid to "manage" the election outcomes and whether bribery and corruption impacting on the election system in fact took place.
"take for instance Musk who spent more than $500 million to pay to ensure the election outcomes are "democratic"."
Mike, is there a link to this story.... where does it originate from ?
@ButtPlug, you have no answer so you are just misconstruing what I said.
No one said the West was perfect, but it is a damn sight better than the likes of Africa and the Middle East or Russia.
Economically the West is sliding a bit from say 20-30 years, so the re is opportunity to improve, in addition to getting back to where things were.
From what I understand Elon Musk is a Republican because it is lower Corporate Tax and income tax.
Mike is right.
Anatoly Fedoruk, mayor of Bucha, DID make a speech in Ukranian language (which is a dialect of Russian).
He spoke for about 42 seconds, he was smiling and happy and made no mention whatsoever of bodie s in the street. Pure common sense tells one if there were such things when he arrived, he certainly would not be smiling.
This speech, with English translation has been removed from western media...why, that's obvious for these reasons.
I have video in Ukrainian but none here understands the language. I can post it if you like.
But I also have a clip, news clip
https://cdnv.rt.com/files/2022.04/624c027485f5400dcc5201d0.mp4
At 2.49 mins of this news clip you can see it with translations...he is smiling and no mention of bodies.
Anything that is on RT is probably BS, especially if it is related to Putin
So, if he did not smile, that would mean there were in fact dead bodies?
Not even a psychologist would be confident to make that assessment through non-verbal communication etc.
What if he farted? Would that mean he wants nuclear war?
There's nothing more than I would love to see peace in that land and all perpetrators of ungodly and violent crime be brought to justice. But fair judgement can only come from honest evidence from independent and unbiased sources. I've tried to understand the real problems from both sides and quite honestly it is so complicated because of dishonesty.,wolves amongst the sheep.and so many other things that westerners are ignorant of or don't understand.
An ideal situation would be reasonable agreements with some compromise on both sides but both sides to work together to eradicate pro Nazi ideals in Ukraine...not to be tolerated at all. It is this poison that should be rooted out completely with both governments working in unity and in honesty to root it out. If it is not completely done, no peace deal will last.
There are many good people on both sides..they alone should be allowed to work it out without others sticking their ugly noses in where they have no business at all..
I pray for healing and reconciliation among these nations.
Nothing other than the above will end it, it will continue and finally progress into complete devastation of Ukraine, the tactics that USA used in Iraq...they simply blew the cities apart taking 600,000 civilians with it. The Russians have not done that. I see frustration taking this course, with the more destructive weapons being used and then ultimately a world war when nuclear weapons will be used. Don't rule that out, it's coming one day, Armageddon is not science fiction by movie makers.
I don't think the majority of Russian people wanted this war to happen
Putin, yes.... the Russian people, no
Mike, where is this story about Elon Musk spending.... "$500 million to pay to ensure the election outcomes are "democratic"
I have never seen a story or article even reference this, so I would like to read more into it
DA
It was dealt with extensively on Fox News about four months ago and was followed up by questions in the Senate and House that were never answered - because it was supposed to be investigated before answers could be provided . There will no answers given while the Democrats control the House and the S enate.
"It was dealt with extensively on Fox News about four months ago"
Yet not one single article about it in the press.......
Maaik, it wasn't Elon Musk...Bezos, Soros, Bloomberg and Gates are the culprits pulling all the strings, didn't you know.
ButtPlug, you are not welcome in the West. You must remain in the darkness of Africa where you belong, along with General Tit, and DumbMike,
It is simple, if you support 4 million people (and increasing) having to leave as refugees, while their country is blown to smithereens- just so Russia can complete a "denazification" process- you are just a piece of shit. It is that simple. Putin is the Nazi.
If you don't have a moral compass to work this out, this is purely a reflection of you.
Some things are just wrong, and people from all ideologies can see this. It is not an ideological problem, some people just lack human character and are empty vessels.
For example a paedophile is evil, regardless of their ideology. Hitler was evil, as were his actions in murdering millions of Jews. This is beyond ideology.
There is a common ground where mankind can unite- except for the shit who are surplus to requirements
The shit of Western society supports Putin... Their are not 2 sides to the story. Putin is the next Hitler, it is that simple.
D A
Do you think that kind of thing is ever in the media - it is neve because i reflects badly on the democrats and the crooks in their leadership. Just think about the Hunter Biden laptop. When it happened the fiorst tieme the only thing the media did was to collect 42 CIA officieals - past and present to sign a letter it si Russian disinformation - then some e-mails surfaced in Sweden confirming some of he e-mails on the laptop and the media suddenly started writing about the laptop he was so drugged he forgot where he left it for repairs.
Why now? Biden turned everything he touched into shit and it is now a danger threatening the future of the party - so they are now as Tucker Carlsson stated preparing the ground for replacement of Biden as President. By who is the question? Harris is even worse than Biden and she cannot be considered. Pelosi and Schumer is as crooked as Biden - so they will not make the grade either. Every other cabinet member Biden appointed are tryig to be even more unpopular than Biden is. Prepare yourself for Buttigieg be the new President - his husband will be the First Gentlemen.
As to the $500 million story their will be an investigation done when the Republicans take over the House and then the shit will hit the fan. The $500 million was conformed with indications of how much money was made available by the company handling the situation for Musk going to each State and City. For instance Atlanta got $10 million - Phoenix Arizona $3,5 million Plenty of scope for bribes in those allocations. Nobody seems to know who was exactly paid by the money that was paid over.
Plum
Rooinek and SB are what the Communists used to call "useful idiots". They are the types that would support dictatorships when the media tells them what they are allowed to think about it. .
Let me say, Ukraine will never win this war. None of you, I surmise have never faced conflict, except perhaps Wardad.
It's a pipe dream for liberals who live in fantasy worlds to believe such shit.
Russia overall, with perhaps some exemptions that are not proved yet has played a more or less defensive strategy and gone more gently into the wind.
The Ukrainian soldiers comprise of really split people, those who favour just liberal independence (don't hate Russia, but have different political vision) and the driving hidden poison of Neo Nazism that not only is the root cause of previous dissensions of murder, extermination and hatred.
They are driven and worship the cult of Hitler and satanism which believe that anything, no matter what is the target of ultimate control. They will use psychotropic drugs and combat chemistry to effect ruthless attacks, soldiers becoming effective killing robots to ruthlessly attack their adversaries...they turn into zombies...a sort of suicide fighters that fear nothing.
Notice all the syringes and empty Vodka bottles left behind in buildings they evacuated.
These things are slowly coming to light...it will be a big wake up call.
Other sinister things are occurring...the dark undercover business of removing organs, like kidneys and intestines of wounded (soldiers and civilians) on both sides and transferred and sold to recipients in Europe and USA where they get a huge price for. Other organs like heart, liver don't have as much time and are transferred more to Europe where flight time is less. At the moment there is the question of no fly zone...but they have ways and means of solving this. Maybe there are organ machines that can do this, I'm sure if the reward is great enough, there is always a way. A huge evil business.Often the victims are not mortally wounded but bodies cut open, ofcourse they eventually die from this. There are mobile crematoriums that these bodies are thrown into and incinerated so there is no evidence. Families inquiring about absence of loved ones never have replies and are told disappeared in action.It's common in modern warfare where weapons are so destructive that blow victims to bits.
I have seen disclosures of this and photographs from certain undisclosed secret sources, ie non Russian sources in case cancel culture sends a bot to stop that. I won't say more, no jokes, it is very dangerous.
It opens another suspicion but not factual, what are the labs doing there besides, chemistry and biology...a sort of duel purpose mission. Why was Hunter Biden involved...why is his father is driven into a frenzy and hysteria to smear Putin and supply more arms?
Indeed just questions. The plot thickens if you put 2 and 2 together?
It is funny how the world never heard of Ukraine being the new Nazi center in the world. Although that might be down to them not behaving likes Nazis by invading independent countries.
SubstantialFool claims Ukraine are Satanists, as are the people in the world that support them... All of his posts have some underlying meaning that he is the good guy, and God is on his side etc. Primitive stuff... We can see that religion is just not Democratic. As they become the minority we are seeing their true colours. They no longer want Democracy. They want Putin to be their master.
Those that hate Russians seem to be either ignorant about their true identity.
I think some fear Russia, others like to find a bogeyman.
Others think they are some sort of aliens.
USA sends out bad signals for many complex reasons of power struggle.
They think Russians are liars and deceptive but my observation of them is that that they are definitely more honest, less materialistic,sincere, and trustworthy than I find in the west, but there are exceptions in individuals but in general.
Having said that I have met many good people in all nations and great people in USA.
USA military record is sad:
Vietnam lost
Iraq failure
Iran failure
Libya failure
Afghanistan failure
Serbia failure
Korea failure
Naval Battle of Pacific (Battle for Leyte Gulf} won by great Naval men.
Russia:
Great Britain, Battle of Balaclava (Crimea War) The Charge of the Light Brigade Lord Raglan's insanity....utterly destroyed.
France (Napoleon Moscow) defeated
Germany (Hitler) defeated at battle of Stalingrad/Berlin
There are some real thickies here, cannot see context at all, unless their modus operandi is to divert the point.
No I never said Ukranians are satanists, only Neo Nazi groups like Azov which have infiltrated the military in Ukraine
Fear Russians? Perhaps because they are threating nuclear war. Sure, not all Russian's - but their leader is. Why do Russia always seem to have KGB operatives as their leaders?
Nobody ever won in wars with Russia - that included Napoleon, Hitler and further back in history Sweden, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth of which Ukraine was part, the Golden Horde and the Ottoman Empire. In the end Russia always prevailed and became stronger than they were before the Wars. They captured Finland from Sweden, the Golden Horde disintegrated after unsuccessful wars against Russia and the Russians captured the Crimea - a subject nation to the Ottoman Empire. They destroyed the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and caused the ubdiviion of that Commonwealth - With Austrta getting the part which today is the main Ukrainian speaking part of he country, as well as the Cracow area, Prussia conquered Silesia and the rest of Poland became part of Russia and remained so until WW1.\
Based on history wars against Russia is not a paying proposition - it never as and never will be. However, there is one thing clear - Russia will not attack and start a war against any other country unless Russians are oppressed by others and the Ukraine War is just another example of it.
Russia overall, with perhaps some exemptions that are not proved yet has played a more or less defensive strategy and gone more gently into the wind.
LOL. Invading another country is not a defensive strategy.
The Ukrainian soldiers comprise of really split people, those who favour just liberal independence (don't hate Russia, but have different political vision) and the driving hidden poison of Neo Nazism that not only is the root cause of previous dissensions of murder, extermination and hatred.
They are driven and worship the cult of Hitler and satanism which believe that anything, no matter what is the target of ultimate control. They will use psychotropic drugs and combat chemistry to effect ruthless attacks, soldiers becoming effective killing robots to ruthlessly attack their adversaries...they turn into zombies...a sort of suicide fighters that fear nothing.
Notice all the syringes and empty Vodka bottles left behind in buildings they evacuated.
That's some next level brainwashing and indoctrination that's been inflicted on you Seb. How does one get to the point they could actually believe this nonsense let alone right it down in an online forum and expect anyone to take it seriously.
Nobody ever won in wars with Russia
Mike comes along with yet another idiotic statement that can be debunked with about 10 seconds of effort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia
Russia will not attack and start a war against any other country unless Russians are oppressed by others and the Ukraine War is just another example of it.
Plenty of historical example of Russia attacking other countries. Putin doesn't give a fuck about Russians being being oppressed in Ukraine, its just an excuse along with the other ridiculous excuses to attack and bring Ukraine under Russian control. Plan and simple Russian's invasion of Ukraine is an act of aggression.
Stav
Great fun - like any other country lost some battles - but in the end they always won the wars. Why is Russia covering 1 sixth of the land area in the world if that was not the case? . There are rare references to attacks on Moscow - when the Golden Horde attacked Moscow - they did burn the city down - but did not capture the Kremlin. In the period after the death of Ivan the Terrible son 1498 - there was a period the Russians called the time of troubles. In that period the polish army occupied the Kremlin. The death left no claimants to the Russian throne and a number of pretenders tried to take the throne - normally supported by Poland got lost in the end. In 1613 the Polish army was defeated outside of Moscow by the Russian Army and then those left in the Kremlin surrendered and left the country. That was the time when the Romanov dynasty took over the thrown of Russia.
Since then only Napoleon succeeded in Reaching Moscow and that destroyed his army and was the main reason for the fall of the French Empire under Napoleon.
In the end you must really explain how Russia y a huge distance became the bggest country in the world if in the end they did not win the wars they were involved in.
The other thing you mention is attacking other countries, In the last 200 years only responded to attacks on Russia. In your comments on the attack of Ukraine and you mention Putin does not care a fuck about Russians being oppressed. How do you know that? By the way that is what is wrong in the Woke culture of the west - they do not care a fuck about people as long as they destroy history and culture.
The fact is that all you came up with are really propaganda you are fed by the media.
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