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Meadows texts reveal just how tight the Fox News-Trump embrace is

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
09 May 2022, 12:29
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09 May 2022, 12:29#1
Boris Johnson can’t win another election by leaving Londoners behindThrough the end of 2020 and the early part of 2021, as Donald Trump’s political world fell apart in the wake of his election loss, the former US president was receiving advice and aid from a range of sources.
As Trump raged against non-existent election fraud, he took counsel from his actual staff. He also had help from acquaintances and associates like Rudy Giuliani.

But, less conventionally, Trump’s White House was also getting guidance from some of Fox News’ best-known personalities, in a level of coordination rarely, if ever, seen in top-level politics.

The direct interactions between Trump’s administration and the Fox hosts Sean Hannity and Maria Bartiromo were revealed in leaked text messages from the phone of Mark Meadows, Trump’s chief of staff during the November election and the January 6 insurrection.

The texts, revealed by CNN, show how the lines between Fox News and the Trump White House had become jarringly blurred in Trump’s final months. On election day 2021 Hannity, the second-most watched host on Fox News, was texting Meadows asking which states he particularly needed to “push” – to encourage people to vote.

On 29 November, an hour before Trump was to sit down for a first interview since losing the election, the president received a bit of help with his preparation; from Bartiromo, who sent her list of questions to Meadows, along with a suggestion.

“Pls make sure he doesn’t go off on tangents,” Bartiromo wrote, a request that ultimately would go unheeded.

In total, Meadows exchanged more than 80 text messages with Hannity between 3 November and 20 January, when Joe Biden was inaugurated. CNN obtained 2,319 of Meadows’s texts, which the former chief of staff had provided to the House select committee investigating the attack on the Capitol.

They show Hannity variously giving and asking for advice from the White House. After seeking direction on where he should help get out the vote, Hannity would later give Meadows suggestions on how Trump could fight the election results.

The implications of a Fox News-Trump White House alignment are “scary”, said Angelo Carusone, president and CEO of Media Matters for America, a media watchdog.

“Because you cannot have any kind of functional authoritarian or anti-democratic environment unless you have some really powerful propaganda tools. And once you have this kind of synchronization, then basically what you have is a pretty important ingredient in order to drive a whole range of policies,” Carusone said.

Fox News’ Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson and Brian Kilmeade were also in contact, to varying degrees, with Meadows over the three-month period, meaning a slew of Fox News personalities had their own lines into the White House. The select committee had previously released texts which showed Ingraham and Kilmeade pleading with Trump to intervene as his supporters swarmed the Capitol.

“Hey Mark, the president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home. This is hurting all of us. He is destroying his legacy,” Ingraham wrote.

In the wake of the texts being published Hannity, who was lightly reprimanded by Fox News in 2018 after he appeared on stage at a Trump rally, obliquely addressed the texts on his nightly show.

“Yes, I’m a member of the press,” Hannity said.

“I’m on the Fox News Channel – which is a news channel – but I don’t claim to be a journalist. I claim to be a talkshow host.” (“I’m a journalist,” Hannity said in an interview with the New York Times in 2017. “But I’m an advocacy journalist, or an opinion journalist.”)

Coordination between rightwing media and Republican administrations is not necessarily new. Scott McClellan, press secretary under George W Bush, admitted working with Fox News on “talking points” during the 2004 presidential campaign, while Rolling Stone reported that John Moody, a top Fox News executive during the Roger Ailes era, wrote a memo to staff that Bush’s “political courage and tactical cunning are worth noting in our reporting throughout the day”.

What’s different this time, Carusone said, is that even though the network and Bush’s team “were in close alignment” in 2004, “they still felt independent”. As chairman and CEO of Fox News, Ailes had close control over the network’s editorial policy, and he alone would make decisions on direction. As Trump flailed in the dying days of his presidency, there was no Ailes-like figure to steer the coverage.

“There was no gatekeeper. It’s not like the White House was coordinating with all the hosts back in the day,” Carusone said.

“They were coordinating with Roger Ailes, who was doing the editorial meetings. He was functioning as the conduit for coordination. In this case, it was like a free-for-all.”

The interaction between Fox News and Trump’s White House appears to have flowed both ways. Under Bush’s administration, it seemed to be the politicians leading the line, with Fox News supporting the president’s policies.

Under Trump, it wasn’t so clear who was in charge of policy. According to Media Matters, Trump “tweeted in response to Fox News or Fox Business programs he was watching” 1,146 times from September 2018 through August 2020.

To journalists, Bartiromo’s handing of questions to Trump’s team might seem to be the most egregious action.

“1Q You’ve said MANY TIMES THIS ELECTION IS RIGGED… And the facts are on your side. Let’s start there. What are the facts? Characterize what took place here. Then I will drill down on the fraud including the statistical impossibilities of Biden magic (federalist). Pls make sure he doesn’t go off on tangents. We want to know he is strong he is a fighter & he will win. This is no longer about him. This is about ????. I will ask him about big tech & media influencing ejection as well Toward end I’ll get to GA runoffs & then vaccines,” Bartiromo texted to Meadows an hour before the November interview.


Heather Hendershot, a professor of film and media at MIT who studies TV news and conservative media, said the advent of cable TV news, which began in the 1980s and accelerated through the 1990s – the Fox News channel was launched in 1996 – had prompted a change in acceptable, or permitted, journalistic standards.

“In the pre-cable, network era, an anchorperson or reporter would obviously be fired – with no room for discussion – if it was found that he or she had provided questions in advance of an interview with a politician,” said Hendershot, who is writing a book about how coverage of protests at the 1968 Democratic convention contributed to a shattering of faith in US media.

“This would be seen not simply as a political gaffe but perhaps even more strongly as a professional gaffe. The norms of journalistic practice dictated against this sort of behavior.

“In 1963, Walter Cronkite of CBS interviewed JFK. Immediately following the interview, the president said he was unhappy with the interview and wanted a ‘do-over’. Cronkite did not hesitate: that was out of the question. They would run the interview as it had happened.”

Today, Hendershot said, one can easily imagine the same scenario, where a president or politician was unhappy with an interview question, and requests another go at answering.

“Would a network correspondent allow this?” Hendershot said.

“Probably not. Would Fox News allow it? Definitely yes, but only for a Republican politician.”

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
09 May 2022, 12:40
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09 May 2022, 12:40#2
To think there are some drooling half-wits out there who slavishly swallow all the biased rubbish that Faux News churns out yet still accuse others of being brainwashed.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 May 2022, 18:42
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09 May 2022, 18:42#3

I would be more concerned with the rampant inflation and collapsing stock markets which have occurred under Captain Joe. But lefties are still obsessed with Trump….much more fun talking about that.

When you Lefties explain how the media ever bought into the Russian collusion scandal and exactly where the media walked that story back…..then we can discuss the responsible role of the media.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 May 2022, 19:56
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09 May 2022, 19:56#4

Joe Biden would not have come close to being president without the help of the left media machine...its about time the right start using it more...Fox is a drop in the ocean compared to the lefty media hype...why are people surprized?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 May 2022, 02:42
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10 May 2022, 02:42#5

Juat a nice question to Denny.   Does Trump not have any rights to talk to media sources at all because he is Donald Trump that should never be allowed to do or speak to anyone?   

Just to add - The whole system in the USA are controlled by a few people plus when it comes  for instance CNN by the Chinese Communist Party through their shareholding in Warner.    What is even worse is that people like Bill Gates and  the Chinese Government pay the media massive amounts of money to cover news items to promote their interests,    So that being the case why may Trump not speak to media figures 

You pro bably did not hear yet of the so-called Disinformation Board established by Biden to protect the Democratic Party from criticism.   Now that is really a serious undemocratic .approach normally found in dictatorships -  I would be much more worried about  that than Trump talking to some media figures.              .


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 May 2022, 02:45
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10 May 2022, 02:45#6

Roinek 

Go and see a shrink - the shit is now in total control of your last remaining malfunctio0ning brain cell and it makes thinking by you on any issue impossible.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 May 2022, 01:31
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11 May 2022, 01:31#7

Fat lot of "honesty" by the Rednecks in reply to the subject matter but then if you don't get your hopes up you can never be disappointed.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 May 2022, 08:59
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11 May 2022, 08:59#8

"Fat lot of "honesty" by the Rednecks in reply to the subject matter..."


You mean the Untermenschen?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 May 2022, 09:23
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11 May 2022, 09:23#9

Denny - I asked you a nice question  and you did not answer it.  Please oblige.

What do you think about the Democratic Party protection against criticism by opponents through the Disinformation Board established by Biden?    Sounds very bad to me if news are to be censored by that Board and in the USA is not constitutional.        .   

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 May 2022, 10:44
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11 May 2022, 10:44#10
I don't respond to stupid questions. Find someone who will.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 May 2022, 11:22
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11 May 2022, 11:22#11

And hey, the above is not your original question, you've changed it......here, this is your original question.....

"Juat a nice question to Denny.   D oes Trump not have any rights to talk to media sources at all because he is Donald Tr4ump that should enever be allowed to do or speak to anyone?"

Get a grip.



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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
11 May 2022, 15:53
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11 May 2022, 15:53#12

"Pls make sure he doesn’t go off on tangents"

LMAO

Well...at least with any kind of tangent, good or bad, you need to be able to string a few sentences together, something Biden has never been able to do, in his entire presidency.....

Biden: 

Mixes UP the English language

Messed UP the border control issue

Screws UP the Afghanistan evacuation

Fucks UP the US economy 

Trips UP the stairs, instead of falling down them

Another thing that goes UP with Biden's presidency is his bank balance....

From the Washington Post:

"Little wonder that Biden suffered the fastest collapse in public approval of any president in modern history. When he took office, he had almost 56 percent approval and was 20 points above water."

"Today, he’s more than 10 points underwater. That’s a 30-point swing in less than a year. No recent president has fallen from grace so far, so fast, so early in his presidency"

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 May 2022, 21:25
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11 May 2022, 21:25#13

DA

Biden is only a  puppet President  = he gets his instructions and have to execute them - but he is too stupid and dementia ridden to realize how he is destroying the country.   

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
12 May 2022, 08:05
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12 May 2022, 08:05#14

Yeah Mike, and he has already told his advisors that he wants to run again.....

You can't script this shit....

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 May 2022, 19:21
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12 May 2022, 19:21#15

And they are actively pushing for higher inflation and higher energy prices...and deliberately escalating things in Ukraine to cover their tracks or something...somehow the world has just gone bonkers the last few years...evolution is a hoa x...we are de-evolving.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 May 2022, 01:19
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13 May 2022, 01:19#16

You heard it here first …evolution is a houx (sic) folks….and the  Ukrainian war is Biden’s tactic, as opposed to Biden’s cock up.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 May 2022, 07:05
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13 May 2022, 07:05#17

"war is Biden’s tactic, as opposed to Biden’s cock up."

Not what I said...it's a convenient excuse for the state of things...as for the evolution...you do know that was a bit of sarcasm, right?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 May 2022, 11:16
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13 May 2022, 11:16#18
". . . you do know that was a bit of sarcasm, right?"
You mean . . . ummmmm . . . "whooooooooosh!!!" Right?
LMAO!!!
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 May 2022, 16:47
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13 May 2022, 16:47#19

Why is it so hard to process……Trump is a NY loudmouth, whose decisions were almost all right…..Biden is a committee dominated by Lefties who have destroyed everything they touched…..and Putin is a thug and a bully who started a war against what he thought was defenseless country and like many bullies got punched in the nose.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 May 2022, 18:33
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13 May 2022, 18:33#20
Exactly. It’s like there is some magic formulae to being able to discern the extremely obvious. I’ve realised that i give people way more credit than i should. Whatever level you generally assume people are on, subtract 3 levels from that and you’re probably near their absolute best case ceiling.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 May 2022, 03:41
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14 May 2022, 03:41#21

Most people history reveres were limited individuals in the right place at the right time. Take Churchill for example, he was the prime author of Gallipoli an incredibly dumb move….a reputation killer. Then Hitler came along and Chamberlain  handed Winston the one role off the stage in which he could be great .

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 May 2022, 09:17
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14 May 2022, 09:17#22

"I’ve realised that i give people way more credit than i should. Whatever level you generally assume people are on, subtract 3 levels from that and you’re probably near their absolute best case ceiling."

Sh!t Plum, I thought I was a bit of a cynic...

That's you giving others credit...most lefties assume they're smarter than anybody else and therfore they should have the right to rule over the stupid masses...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 May 2022, 16:33
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14 May 2022, 16:33#23

Draad 

The lefties think hey are sharper than the rest - but when they have to implement anything they turn it into shit because they have no idea about how to implement what they dream of.   The lefties are one-dimensional people with no idea what may result from their policy program and because of that they strive endlessly for dictatorial rule.    

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 May 2022, 16:43
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14 May 2022, 16:43#24

The USA must be filled with idiots to keep these clowns in office!

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