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Michigan’s Democrat Governor THREATENS All Doctors and Pharmacists who Prescribe or Dispense Hydroxychloroquine for Coronavirus Patients

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Mar 2020, 10:24
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27 Mar 2020, 10:24#1

Many demonrats don't want a cure for the Chinese Virus that much is clear. Use it to get Trump and be damned the cost. Seems too like an illegal action.


Michigan Democrat Governor Gretchen Whitmer is the latest Democrat to ban doctors from prescribing the lifesaving drugs hydroxychloroquine and Z-Paks to save senior citizens in the state.

Hydroxychloroquine is safe and has tested 100% positive in treating the coronavirus.

Whitmer follows Nevada’s Democrat Governor Sisolak in banning the life-saving drugs from coronavirus victims.Detroit News reported:

If you live in Michigan, and you or a loved one is infected with this potentially lethal disease, you’re out of luck.

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs literally threatened all doctors and pharmacists in the state who prescribe or dispense hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19.

The agency’s March 24 letter warns physicians and pharmacists of professional consequences for the prescribing of hydroxychloroquine (and chloroquine). Beyond the rational recommendation against hoarding as production of this medication needs to be ramped up, the letter deviates into open threats of “administrative action” against the licenses of doctors that prescribe hydroxychloroquine.

The letter also instructs pharmacists to ignore physician orders for this medication. Due to the debate over a pharmacist’s right to refuse to fill medications that go against their religious beliefs, this could place pharmacists in the unprecedented position of being told that they must fill prescriptions that violate their “conscience (religious belief)” but must not fill prescriptions to treat COVID-19.

Even worse, the letter indicates health care providers are “required to report” their fellow physicians who are prescribing these medications. This draconian measure carries ominous Gestapo-like overtones of neighbor reporting neighbor to “authorities.”
Demorats are fascists at heart as we all should know by now.


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
27 Mar 2020, 12:04
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27 Mar 2020, 12:04#2
And the reason for this.......? Some stupid fucker died. How did he die? He thought that he was smarter than a doctor. He self medicated by drinking aquarium cleaner that contains an amount of chloroquine. How did the media react? “MAN DIES AFTER TAKING MEDICATION THAT TRUMP SAID WAS SAFE”. You cannot make this shit up.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Mar 2020, 13:37
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27 Mar 2020, 13:37#3

Windpomp these people know they are making up BS to fool the public. So why are they doing it. Because if this virus goes away they are doomed in November. That their lies might cost many lives matters not one dot.

They are doomed anyway.

You can also bet poor Redrooi and Sharktwit bought that whole lie hook, line and sinker as they usually do all globalist media lies!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Mar 2020, 14:23
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27 Mar 2020, 14:23#4

Medicine are approved by experts and used by experts.   It is not for the Stalinist Democrats to prescribe what registered medical practitioners may give to their patients.  If the patients die there could well be a claim for damages against those two Stainist Governors and I hope they a re taken to the cleaners,

Wherever the Democrats Govern there are huge amounts of ineptitude and maladministration in evidence,  They are neglecting the people they are suppose to govern.   The fact is they are idiotic guided by heir criminal mafia and Stalinist  ideology.      .     .        

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Mar 2020, 15:54
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27 Mar 2020, 15:54#5

It's ridiculous. If someone dies from taking 20 paracetemol tablets to cure his killer headache, are we going to blame everyone who said that paracetemol can cure a headache? No, we're going to say the guy was a damned idiot. Same applies to the Arizona man.

I'm not a big Trump fan, but I have never seen a witch hunt like this aimed at one person. It defies all bounds of reason and has reached the point of unbridled obsession.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 16:00
#6
27 Mar 2020, 16:00#6

"...It defies all bounds of reason and has reached the point of unbridled obsession."


Pakie, are you waking up to this horse manure or have you always been woke?

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
27 Mar 2020, 16:42
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27 Mar 2020, 16:42#7
This might not have any political motive. 
There are procedures in place before doctors can make prescriptions. I don't think doctors elsewhere in the world are yet allowed to prescribe it. It seems to have only been tested in hospitals so far. (Or perhaps by the richest people if supply is limited. It was originally for Malaria- so not clear if it has to be adapted for Corona in any way)
This might also be the case in other states in the US that is run by Republicans. If so, then it is just sensationalized yellow journalism to make Democrats look bad.  If this is the case, then it is amazing how the Trumpanzees can be so easily played by their master.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Mar 2020, 17:07
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27 Mar 2020, 17:07#8

Nobody has a master - you have got that totally wrong.   You have one though  by the name of CNN - whose BS you repeat on site.

As far as was published there are doctors all over the world who try a variety of medicines - inclusive of medicine used against malaria and reports are it reduces some elements of  problems  patients experience when they have complications from the virus,  

There is no specific medicine or vaccine available  to counter the coronavirus disease and I think the doctors are using the anti  malaria treatment as one of  other methods to deal with the disease to save their patients until some specific medicine are available,   One can certainly not blame the  doctors for doing it,

The dimwitted  and idiotic Democrats should stay  if it.                        . 

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
27 Mar 2020, 17:13
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27 Mar 2020, 17:13#9
Trumpanzee has his minions so wrapped up they even produce lies on his behalf. He then just selects which one sounds best and toutes this. 
Search in Google - just about every News publication in the world hates Trump. I read multiple news sources- and I interpret data myself. It is only the happy-clappy far-right Fox that likes Trump.
The question is are doctors in Republicans states prescribing this? Yes or No will suffice.As stated above, it appears to have only been used in hospitals so far - not GP's or pharamcists.
If it is no which I assume, then your master is playing you. It proves that you are not thinking. Answer the question, and then it will force you to think...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Mar 2020, 17:34
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27 Mar 2020, 17:34#10

SB

Your basic source is CNN - who lies 99% pf the time about everything.  The bnenefit is that the people  are beginning to sue them for  libel.  From a political perspective  you are a total brainwashed idiot by now,  No factfinding - just repeats of the CNN fake news agency.   

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 17:42
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27 Mar 2020, 17:42#11

Maaik, he's trolling you, he's not that stupid.

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
27 Mar 2020, 17:44
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27 Mar 2020, 17:44#12

Yet - you refuse to answer the question. You do not want to think. 

I read more UK newspapers than US ones anyway. The New York times is ok- its target audience is smarter than the average Trumpanzee. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Mar 2020, 17:54
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27 Mar 2020, 17:54#13

Doctors in NY....a democratic state have used the drug. Nobody knows how effective this combination is yet, but when there are no agreed options and the person is dying the doctor should have the option of using it off label, a standard practice.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 17:55
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27 Mar 2020, 17:55#14

Snark, your opinion is based on questions that you assume you know the answers to...your questions has been answered many times, you just don't like the answers so you reject them...A governor should have no say in what any doctor prescribes for his/her patients...that's up to the doctor and the FDA. The malaria medication has been cleared by the FDA 70 years ago. If you can't see the DP is politicizing Corona and the governor's interference with the medication is pure foolish partisanship , you are even more brainwashed than you accuse the Trumpanzees of.

Good luck with Darwin. 


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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
27 Mar 2020, 17:56
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27 Mar 2020, 17:56#15

@Mozart, I would agree with that. Or it should be escalated through legislation to make it formally legal. There has to be a procedure. 

It appears to be the best option so far. I think it was discovered in the East a few months ago as they had the virus before everyone else.

@Draad, the only person who has addressed the question was Mozart. The rest of the unthinking herd, just wanted to jump to conclusions.

America is one of the best countries in the world. To always assume something has a political motive is naive. Every sane person is in agreement that if there is a cure, it should be used. I doubt either the Republicans or Democrats would be that low to deprive people of a cure.

If a doctor has already prescribed this in a Democratic state, then it pretty much ends the argument- that it is a Democratic conspiracy. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 18:01
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27 Mar 2020, 18:01#16

It is legal you fool, the dumb governess is trying to make it illegal to spite Trump.

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
27 Mar 2020, 18:07
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27 Mar 2020, 18:07#17
Draad I would hate to have your world view to actually believe that BS. You are sounding like Beeno. 
An interesting article... It suggests there is a shortage of the drug. Maybe the SuperRich have bought all the stock to protect themselves and their families - although the supply and demand was obviously much lower before Corona.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-pharmacies/states-work-to-limit-prescriptions-of-potential-coronavirus-drugs-idUSKBN2190XC

"NEW YORK (Reuters) - At least four state pharmacy boards have taken steps to limit prescriptions of potential coronavirus treatments touted by U.S. President Donald Trump that are in short supply as demand has surged with the rapid spread of the outbreak."
State pharmacy boards in Texas, Ohio, Idaho and Nevada in recent days moved to restrict who can be prescribed the malaria treatments chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, and how much of the drugs can be prescribed, according to documents filed by the boards. Texas has also limited prescriptions of the antibiotic azithromycin as well as another anti-malarial drug, mefloquine.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 18:11
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27 Mar 2020, 18:11#18

Restriction, not banning it...do you even read what you post?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 18:19
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27 Mar 2020, 18:19#19

PS, you've got no idea about my world view. Your idiotic brainwashed view has no room for alternative views. You sacrificed freedom at the altar of liberalism...nothing more than new age facist paganism wrapped up in a science wrapper. You won't recognize science if it hits you in the face.

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
27 Mar 2020, 18:20
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27 Mar 2020, 18:20#20

Watch the video on the right-hand side. Trump claims it has been approved.

Someone corrects him- and says that it has only been approved for Malaria- not Corona. They need to put it into clinical trials first before it is approved. I believe it is the head of the FDA who said it has not been approved.

So by law, doctors are not allowed to prescribe it -yet...

So, Dummy, I have educated you once again... Why do I bother with a baboon like you? 

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
27 Mar 2020, 18:20
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27 Mar 2020, 18:20#21
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 18:26
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27 Mar 2020, 18:26#22

So why would doctors prescribe it to the extent that it's depleting the supply if it doesn't work?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 18:30
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27 Mar 2020, 18:30#23

"So by law, doctors are not allowed to prescribe it -yet.."

Wrong...and you can't school a toddler....I suppose all the doctors who are prescribing it are just as stupid as Trump and they are all breaking the law by doing so...as whould be the chemists who are honoring the prescriptions?

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
27 Mar 2020, 18:31
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27 Mar 2020, 18:31#24
I can only think of 2 reasons.
1.) Doctors want to prescribe it to the people most likely to die, in order to save lives.2.) The richest and most famous people are getting preference like Prime ministers etc.
Hopefully, it is the first option..
Boris Johnston and the Health Minister in the UK both claim to only have minor symptoms. Who knows, maybe they have taken hydroxychloroquine- but don't want to admit it because the supply is so low. 
Watch the video- it is the person in charge of the FDA. It is approved for Malaria...It is probably just one of the treatments for Malaria- so the supply is limited. 
Like I said from the outset, it appears as though it is being used in hospitals in critical cases . Not a chemist.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 18:35
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27 Mar 2020, 18:35#25

That does not answer the question. You are just deflecting now, because you made an arse of yourself...again...not long before the deep dive...again.

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
27 Mar 2020, 18:37
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27 Mar 2020, 18:37#26
I don't believe that the Democratic party want people to die just to get rid of Trump, you do. You belong back in the dark ages burning witches at the stake with superstitions and conspiracies.
I have given you evidence from the head of the FDA- you still can't accept it. It is clearly not approved by the FDA- but it appears it can be used in hospitals if a patient looks they are going to die and there are no other options...

When I say doctors, I mean GP's and Pharmacists- as stated in the headline of this thread.(Not hospital-based doctors that deal with life and death situations)
Watch the video until it resonates...IT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR MALARIA - NOT CORONA....  
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 18:58
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27 Mar 2020, 18:58#27

"Democratic party want people to die just to get rid of Trump, you do."

I did not say it and I don't believe that. I do however believe that they are rabidly opposed to Trump to the extent of losing all reason.

As for burning witches...nope not me, but you propagate Christians to be fed to hungry Lions.

As for the FDA. I know they haven't rubber stamped  it for Corona specifically.  That was never in dispute.  They haven't banned the use either. It's up to the doctors and it seems that they're using it to good effect. 

Now if you can get back on topic. Why, in your opinion, did the Governor ban doctors from prescribing it? On what authority?  Does she have the right to do it?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 19:02
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27 Mar 2020, 19:02#28

Why don't you watch the video again.

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
27 Mar 2020, 19:18
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27 Mar 2020, 19:18#29
The FDA must regulate and approve new prescription drugs before they can be sold to the public.

How are drugs approved for use in the United States? - NICHD


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As for the FDA. I know they haven't rubber stamped  it for Corona specifically.  That was never in dispute.  They haven't banned the use either. It's up to the doctors and it seems that they're using it to good effect. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
27 Mar 2020, 19:23
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27 Mar 2020, 19:23#30
So there you have it. 
Chemists and GP's can only prescribe approved drugs for a specific illness. It is therefore illegal for a GP or Chemist to prescribe this drug as a treatment to Corona. By default, anything is banned until it is approved. Otherwise, why have an approval procedure...
So the state governor is correct. You and Beeno and the other Trumpanzees owe her an apology. 
It appears hospitals have more discretion in life and death situations...
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 19:34
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27 Mar 2020, 19:34#31

"It is therefore illegal for a GP or Chemist to prescribe this drug as a treatment to Corona. "

Yes, that's the governor's view too, that's why she is threatening the doctors doing it, but doctors seem to be more interested in saving lives than adhering to petty politics. 


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 19:45
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27 Mar 2020, 19:45#32

Good idea Snark, doctors should ignore the possible benefits of the drug and rather let people die...the lefty way...great at getting red tape over everything. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 19:45
#33
27 Mar 2020, 19:45#33

Good idea Snark, doctors should ignore the possible benefits of the drug and rather let people die...the lefty way...great at getting red tape over everything. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,213 posts
27 Mar 2020, 19:47
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27 Mar 2020, 19:47#34
Like I said to Mozart, it should be pushed through to make it legal as quick as possible.If a Doctor prescribes an illegal drug (not yet legal) they could be disbarred from the health profession - or at worst sent to jail. There has to be process. 
However, it needs to be made legal as soon as possible. An issue is that the supply is very low- which may also be a factor in making it legal for a chemist or GP. Perhaps it is only hospitals that have the authority to use the limited supply as they can save lives. If someone is really sick they need to go to the hospital. 
When I read this article I gave the governor the benefit of the doubt before I checked the facts. If any governor (Republican or Democrat) sacrificed lives for political points, they should be fired. While the DP hate Trump - much more than any other US president- I don't think the situation is that extreme they would revert to letting people die just to get political points . Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and vice versa..
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Mar 2020, 20:40
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27 Mar 2020, 20:40#35

Pakie, are you waking up to this horse manure or have you always been woke?

Draad I'm not too fussed with politics, especially US, but this obsession with every single thing Trump says just strikes me as unnatural - even more so since you have jokes like Biden (clearly senile) and Pelosi at the other end of the spectrum. It's a freak show all round, just funny that one freak gets all the heat. I'm mostly moderate and even a little left of the middle if anything, but the Democrats are leaning so far over to the communist side of things that rather amusingly I'm finding myself more in agreement with the conservatives.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2020, 21:10
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27 Mar 2020, 21:10#36

Ja Pakie...never thought of myself as a right-winger...or Bible-basher...and now I'm accused of being both because I don't toe the line....Fox News is an extreme right-wing news channel too...even Anita Visser said so on RSG...somehow everything changed in a blink of an eye and only one view is tolerated these days.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
27 Mar 2020, 22:57
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27 Mar 2020, 22:57#37

“ Fox News is an extreme right-wing news channel too...even Anita Visser said so on RSG...”

Huhh? What makes Anita Visser an expert on the USA news media. 

Fox News have more left wing reporters and hosts than the number of conservative reporters and hosts on all the extreme left wing (CNN, MSNBC, et al) combined. 

FFS, they even have the likes of Donna Brazil, the DNC chair during Hillary’s campaign and Juan Williams on Fox. Fox were the only ones who had the Russian hoax spot on from day 1. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Mar 2020, 09:52
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28 Mar 2020, 09:52#38

That's the state of things. It happened quite a time ago. You must hear them when they've got Max du Preez and Ernst Roets on...Du Preez goes into tantrum meltdown and everything deteriorates into a yelling fest...absolutely no tolerance for alternative views...his way or the highway. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Mar 2020, 12:06
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28 Mar 2020, 12:06#39

Doctors in NY....a democratic state have used the drug. Nobody knows how effective this combination is yet, but when there are no agreed options and the person is dying the doctor should have the option of using it off label, a standard practice. PER MOZ

Doctors can use it off label so legally they can use it and are doing so widely. 

Face facts oaks with the second French HDQ/ Azithromycin trials being a resounding success, the one New York hospital treating 100 patients with 100% success rate, with one doctor treating 300 odd patients with 100% success and with trials in China and Australia also having trials with 100% success any sane person of goodwill would be extremely happy!

Don't know of one GOP governor banning these drugs but several demonrat governors have. Thankfully democrat governor of NY state has embraced trying them. The results should be coming out next week.

What has become abundantly clear is that frot nutjobs like sharktwit, who is now as daft as Redrooi, hates the idea of the Wuhan virus being countered. Get Trump is all this moron hopes for.

The great news though is Trump polls are rising very significantly!

Congrats to Draad for taking the trouble to knock poor sharktwit out the park. What a drooling loon this clown is!


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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
28 Mar 2020, 19:27
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28 Mar 2020, 19:27#40

never thought of myself as a right-winger...or Bible-basher...and now I'm accused of being both because I don't toe the line

Extremists, be they left or right, can't see any shade of grey. It's all black or white to them. You need to be in complete agreement with everything they say and do, otherwise you're the enemy and exactly like the enemy. There is no middle ground for these people.

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