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Denny
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
23 Dec 2018, 01:19
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23 Dec 2018, 01:19#1

as a vigorous Trump supporter what is your take on Jim Mathis's resignation? I'm not one of those who will willy nilly knock Trump or seek to rubbish him at every turn but I think Lindsey Graham has it right and the Donald has it wrong. I totally disagree with his troop withdrawal from Syria.


I believe he has it right about building the wall and that the Democrats have it wrong, the USA is not the breadbasket of South America and unless there's a humanitarian need then entry into the country should be the legal way.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Dec 2018, 01:55
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23 Dec 2018, 01:55#2
Denny I wouldn't have taken on this issue right now, but mostly because there is just too much going on. Right now things have a chaotic feel and the stock market plunge is adding to it. That said, the Generals never want to leave and the only country we really left, Vietnam, has done just fine. And this deification of Mattis, which reminds one of the sudden appreciation for Bush senior and McCain, seems a little over the top. These are the same generals who desperately wanted to take on Iraq, the single most disastrous foreign policy decision since getting into Vietnam. Mattis, by the way was a director of the failed company Theranos .....and presumably totally duped by the 27 year old CEO Elizabeth Holmes. He wasn't much of an adult in the room in that instance. Read the book, Bad Blood, it's fascinating. The argument about the Kurds, history's victims, has some real resonance though. One can only hope whatever deal Trump has worked out with Turkey rewards them for their efforts. But that's hard to believe given the historical emnity between Turkey and the Kurds. So it doesn't look so good, but to date, eg on the wire-tapping assertion, Trump has generally had some facts that have eluded the media . So I'm not convinced either way.
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23 Dec 2018, 04:35
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23 Dec 2018, 04:35#3

Well I think it's a bad move to leave an ally for dead, the Turks will show no mercy on the Kurds besides ISIS is far from quashed. How can anyone trust America if they now turn away from an ally? The fact that Putin thinks it's a good move tells me something. I hear you when you say that Mattis was a general and therefore he would justify the army stays but then Lindsey Graham and a few other Replublicans say the same.

The beady eyed Putin and China are on an expansionist totalatarian move and the Spratley Islands, Ukraine and Crimea are glowing examples of where they are at. Donald has a few blind spots methinks.


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23 Dec 2018, 20:49
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23 Dec 2018, 20:49#4
But Denny this is the same kind of group think that got us into Iraq. Our presence in Syria wont make it less radical....it will ultimately become part of the problem. We have to learn how to intervene if it's absolutely necessary, but then get out. It's ironical that a number of Obama era voices are now dumping on Trump for leaving Syria, when Obama steadfastly refused to even react to the chemical attacks. Still that's not going to stop the angst. What will, will be the appointment of a respected military man with gravitas to replace Mattis. Let's hope he gets that right. The Kurds I concede are a separate issue and they need to be protected. But it's sickening to see how many talking heads have now suddenly discovered the plight of the Kurds,
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24 Dec 2018, 05:50
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24 Dec 2018, 05:50#5

I hear you, sad bloody days. One can't only help but feel for the innocent, women, kids, the elderly, the sick......heartbreaking stuff. Are we humans just a bunch of dumb useless peasants?

Followed an interesting doco on Aljazeera, I get sick and tired of CNN and Fox, the pair seriously do my head in, anyway the doco is titled Crimea the Dark Parts. Sad man, activists just disappear off the streets, kidnapped by russians, tortured and then killed. Fathers cry and live in hope that their young sons would one day reappear even though they know deep down that their boys have been murdered. I don't know how Saudi Arabia or any other Arab country can turn to Russia as it's muslims there are being persecuted.

Meanwhile in good old USA outspoken critics are free to voice an opinion......but then according to some the USA is morally bankcrupt

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