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Mozart - Bernie Sanders need urgent help I am afraid

Started by clevermike11 REPLIES974 VIEWS· 22 Jul 2019, 08:48
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jul 2019, 08:48
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22 Jul 2019, 08:48#1

This is a classic - all the Democrat candidates are fighting to have he minimum wage increased to $15 per hour - but then a crisis hit the election campaign of Bernie Sanders when his workers Union took up the matter about actually wages paid to them by the Bernie Sanders campaign - he was not paying them what he advocated should be the case.

I have always regarded Bernie Sanders as a rather ignorant Marxist Socialist with no practical idea about financial management - not as crooked as the Clinton family but at least not caught out yet even though he is a millionaire.  So what was the way he handled the latest situation?   Just reduce the working hours of his workers so the salary payments balance out,   

Is that the way things should happen,   My own experience in Ballito in 1986 was somewhat different.   The labourers were paid the scandalously low wage of R100 a month.   I believed the wage should at least be doubled and it was as a first step towards reality.   And then suggested a proposal to the Unions.   We will increase the wage by 50% as a first step and in compensation employ another 50 labourers - doing something to reduce the huge joblessness in the area.   The Union turned down the suggestion outright and we ended up with the 100% increase I felt was justified  as a first step to get a proper wage structure operational., 

That was a practical situation -  very basic.  Can you not tell dear Bernie that reduction in working hours result in no real income increases for workers and that joblessness may follow their ideas.   Maybe he would listen to a bloke like you with practical experience on the score.   

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jul 2019, 09:28
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22 Jul 2019, 09:28#2

Bernie is

a complete fraud. He is a multi millionaire. Pedaling communism has been a lucrative career. He has never had a job as far as one knows. He as been a disaster for the demonrats as he has swung the party so far left they are going over a cliff!

He is also a terrible coward. Never stood up for himself when he has shafted by Crooked Hillary and the DNC. One of a group of anti American demonrat presidential candidates going nowhere .


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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Jul 2019, 11:44
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22 Jul 2019, 11:44#3

Socialism is a flop wherever it's been tried.....it's there for all to see, however, the USA does need a better healthcare system, one to which all its citizens have access barring a free for all.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
22 Jul 2019, 13:35
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22 Jul 2019, 13:35#4

Several successful European countries could be considered social democratic but none are full on socialist. 

For country as rich as America its health care performance is pretty poor. I hope the Brits are sensible enough to keep the NHS off the table when negotiating a trade deal with America in the event they do finally leave the EU.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jul 2019, 15:37
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22 Jul 2019, 15:37#5

Stavanger

There is no purely socialist countries left in the world if ever there were such.   Most countries have a mixed approach and those who shout socialism loudest are actually dictatorships - eg China, Venezuela and Cuba for example.  Africa is governed by looters and thieves. so that does not count for any system.

I believe there is a problem - government services depend on public servants.   I was one from 1960 to 2012 and in the time gave talks in England and Germany on the issue of public service.  Wide studies led me to the believe that public servants have strange deficiencies and all over the world suffered from the same malady.   They are not the hardest workers around - they cannot ever judge what is practically correct and their interpretation of laws and regulations are totally void of constructive thinking.   It is the same whether they where operating in Moscow, Washington, London or Dublin.

In the 1950's the French had the best functioning public service in the world.  The reason was that the political system was in turmoil - the moment De Gaulle came in the public service that was running the country started to deteriorate.

So back to the present era.  Why are services insufficient in thee USA and all over the world when run by Government.   It is because of the employees that make it bad - not the Government.   I think that SA spent for instance more money per head of the population on education - yet children leave school without being able to read and understand what they are reading.  It is a bit better in the USA - but education and health is a hot topic there and the socialist ideas are being put forward by the leftists and anarchists to solve the problem.

The Democratic Party candidates wants everybody to be paid by Government - whether they work or not a  fixed income - health services must be free and provided to everybody - even to migrants flooding into the USA - they want the taxpayers to pay for everything.  Aside from that they want a New Green deal entailing no use of fossil fuels - so no private cars or planes and ships .   And the taxpayers must fork out the money for all the lollies they promise.   Billionaires must pay 90% tax, companies 70% (same for people worth more than $10 million) and that would not cover 10% of what they promise.  Madness supreme that will destroy any country.  .

The fact is that the people are indoctrinated that promises made will b e kept - they won't be. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Jul 2019, 16:22
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22 Jul 2019, 16:22#6
US healthcare is superb, with rapid access for significant conditions....no waiting for 6 months for a stent. The US government pays as much as a percentage of GNP as Britain and France on healthcare, in part because everybody gets care....and in part because cutting edge treatment is provided quickly. What happens to the uninsured? Well if they are ill they go to the local hospital and get treated. Sick people are never turned away....legal or illegal. I know, I was on a major hospital Board for 12 years How does this get paid for? Mostly out of foundations built up with generations of charitable contributions....I have made contributions for over 30 years, as have many of my colleagues. It's a voluntary system you will never hear about in the media. I know of illegal people who have had all sorts of procedures, colon surgery, heart surgery....you name it. And when their kids get bad flu they don't leave the hospital without treatment and meds. It's a magnificent medical system funded by government, corporations and heroic individual charitable contributions. The sick are taken care of at a standard that attracts people from all around the world.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jul 2019, 16:39
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22 Jul 2019, 16:39#7

Moz let the demonrats win and the USA will be in huge trouble. 

Trusting the American public see through the Globalist MSM  anti  American propaganda. 


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
22 Jul 2019, 17:08
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22 Jul 2019, 17:08#8

Well I can't speak from personal experience as I've never had to use any countries health care system but I've read/heard the US health care system doesn't compare favorable to many to many other first world health care systems.

https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Jul 2019, 09:58
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23 Jul 2019, 09:58#9

Stav

Beware of the false stories given out by the leftists - I rather believe what Mozart wrote about health care in the USA.

By the way - the private hospitals in SA are top class and many foreigners come here for treatment in those.   Because of the exchange rates they are considered as cheap.  The Government hospitals are there to cater as death traps/centers - totally useless and bad.

Membership of medical aid funds in SA is expensive - but it allows for proper and top class  medical treatment in private hospitals.

Now back to the USA and the crazy Democrats who wants to change the county into a backward socialist trap and destroy the economy.  Sanders is dropping down as a candidate in opinion polls, but the other candidates are equally bad.   Maybe it would help Ireland's economy - the real capitalists will relocate their financial activities out of the USA to Ireland as a tax haven country.  .               

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jul 2019, 13:49
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23 Jul 2019, 13:49#10
Newsweek partnered with global market research company Statista to rank the top 1,000 hospitals in the world. The publication also used the expertise from its panel of physicians, medical professionals and administrators across four continents. The top 10 hospitals in the world: 1. Mayo Clinic 2. Cleveland Clinic 3. Singapore General Hospital (Bukit Merah) 4. The Johns Hopkins Hospital (Baltimore) 5. Charité (Berlin) 6. Massachusetts General Hospital (Boston) 7. Toronto General Hospital 8. University of Tokyo Hospital 9. Lausanne (Switzerland) University Hospital 10. Sheba Medical Center (Tel Aviv, Israel) Four of the top 10 ranked hospitals in the world are in the US. That doesn't mean if you have pneumonia you will necessarily get best care in a US hospital. But if you need a heart transplant you probably will.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
23 Jul 2019, 22:09
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23 Jul 2019, 22:09#11
Moffie I hope for your sake that they'll be able to perform a personality transplant one of these days.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Jul 2019, 01:03
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24 Jul 2019, 01:03#12
Oh I'm just fine thanks, loads of pals....my golf game is tikety-boo. Trump is doing a nice job with the market. My Ferrari Stradale slot is assured.
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