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Mozart - How do you accouint for the f act that ocver 30 counries are busy getting their citizens ouf of Israel,

Started by clevermike13 REPLIES704 VIEWS· 12 Oct 2023, 22:35
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2023, 22:35
#1
12 Oct 2023, 22:35#1

Why is the USA not on that list of those countries.     and why are so many smnaller countries reacted to the emergency and the U S A  President did not mention the Godfather of Hamas - the Iranian Government - when dealing  with the massacre in Israel,    

The USA promised Israel $3,2 billion in armaments aid and oil,   In view of the depleted weaponry and oil resoiucres due to the Ukraine War, when if ever will that aid arrive in Israel?   The USA spent over $115 in aid to Ukraine, but only $3,2 billion  in aid to Israel?

Final question why did the US Government under Biden discard the Abraham Accord between Israel and most of the Arabic Countries  being promoting instability in the ME causing  countries like the United Arab Emirates, Saud Arabia, Egypt into BRICS - while the joining of Nigeria and Turkey - a NATO member with after the USA the largest standing army in NATO - still being  in negotiation after they applied to BRICS for membership?  

Those countries has a long history of co-operation with the USA - why has the Biden Administration abandoned them and why did the trust they had in the USA caused them to look for different partners in the World?   

The BRICS constitution is clear. Differe nces between members shall be subject to negotiation and BRICS members shall not attack each other.   If they are attacked by anybody BRICS will help to defend them - but only if real proof of failure of negotiations being provided.     Take for instance the Iran case as to Hamas and Hezbollah.    They would be unable to start a war against Israel - so their subsidiaries active in Lebanon and Syria - but not openly support them and they will not get agreement to start a war against Israel,   

Lastly why has the previous close allies of he USA - now have no believe in the USA?            

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2023, 02:54
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13 Oct 2023, 02:54#2

 Clever I understand this is all very confusing, but I can’t  help you….perhaps one of the Russia bots could.  They could explain how the fear of invasion by the Ukraine had forced Russia to invade. How Hamas was justified in beheading prisoners and killing children. How the Brics is a league of honorable nations and not a collection of corrupt governments.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
13 Oct 2023, 07:54
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13 Oct 2023, 07:54#3

The Israelis apparently have billboards with Biden thanking him for his support. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2023, 08:14
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13 Oct 2023, 08:14#4

Mozart

I am not in favor of BRICS at all - I would much rather have seen America leading the democratic countries in the world.   However, it seems to me that the Biden Administration has lost the plot with too many things and amongst them honesty in Government.

There is also another question that needs answers.   Who is in fact really governing the USA - it is nt the Biden Presidency - it is who controls the DNC and hence the Presidency.    What Trump did Biden signed off and destroyed.    We had a stable world environment - now we have wars and total instability.    That is why I believe the countries are trying desperately to find protection in for instance BRICS.            

I am old and will not live another decade - so for me the world is not important - but what about the fate of younger people and children in future.

What Hamas did in Israel is horrible but is the same as ISIS did in Iraq.    Obama did virtually nothing while ISIS took over massive areas in Iraq and Syria.   That is what is wrong in the world today.    If the USA had a strong  and principled Government there would have been no war in Ukraine - but instead of helping France and Germany to stop the rot and implement the  agreed peaceful settlement in Ukraine, evidence is the USA undermined the Minsk agreement and caused the fall of democracy in Ukraine - replacing it with an undemocratic and unconstitutional Government in Ukraine in 2014.   There is effectively virtually a Government fully funded by the USA in operation in Ukraine at present..    

If Trump was President -

*    there would have been no war in Ukraine; and

*    Iran would have been severely punished for the actions of the proxy elements that caused the horrible deeds we saw over the last few days.

It would have been fear of punishment that would have stopped the rot in the first instance - but with a weak and unstable Government in the USA the world is floundering around without leaders.   In Europe the political situation is unstable as well.   The Governments in Europe have either fallen in elections or destruction of weak coalition Governments.   Italy, Sweden and Slovakia are examples of election losses and the Netherlands  is having an election in November.   The fall of the Dutch Government came because the Government decided to undermine farming and especially the major Dutch cheesemaking industry by a dubious war against cows on instruction of the EU.   In the regional and local election opposition to the government was strengthened and with the majority in the Dutch Senate being against what the Dutch Government in many fields could not be sustained hence the collapse.   The German coalition Government has lost the plot as well.   They are still floundering along - but for how long.   I personally think the next major fall-out will be the EU - which ultra leftist liberal policies are being destroying the EU as well.    Italy has said no more illegal migrants and sent some to France and Germany who do not want them either.    What is happening in the UK is just as chaotic.    The Conservative Party - only in name conservative - is a joke in bad taste.

In the meantime economies worldwide are destroyed by inflation largely the result of uncontrolled spending.and floundering politics in the Western countries.     The Global Warming  policies based on fake science is another destructive element in the Western countries.   Canada is in chaos as well and election of Biden or another Democrat as President next year is going to have catastrophic results for the world in general.    I would not be surprised if  Europe form its own BRICS equivalent with Russia as part of that one as well.   

In any event the European Governments supporting Ukraine in the present War are collapsing.   The first one to go was Italy followed by Sweden, Slovakia and Poland,      .                  

All in all the Western Governments are all weak and going along with the so-called liberal and socialist tendencies and the ordinary people are losing faith in their Governments.   The Western Media call the new Governments Fascist, but they are not really fascist - they are only interested in protecting the various culture and national beliefs of countries hey live in.     

All in all Democracy as we knew it in the last 70 years since WW2 is in serious trouble and self-destructing under new regimes that preach different d angerous policies  to ensure total control of Government over the ordinary people in  a borderless world.

I am writing this to get it off my chess for once.   I see destruction of morals and integrity as a new development in the world supported by brainwashed idiots who will find in their lifetime total collapse of morals, honesty and integrity - hence of democracy - and cry about it when it is too late to remedy.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2023, 08:47
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13 Oct 2023, 08:47#5

SB

What real support is Biden giving the Israeli's - if you look at it objectively it is fuck-all and deliver anything to them to help them,.   H cannot even help in evacuating own citizens of the USA from Israel.    There are basicaly constant attacks by the Democratic Party subsidiaries BLM and Antifa on Jewish people in the USA,   

Above all - the real problem in this case - Iran - is helped along  by the Biden Administartion.  The unfreezing of money ($6,7 billion) is more than double the amount of aid Biden promised the Israeli's.   Will that aid be delivered while the USA is in short supply of  armaments themselves (as a result of the Ukraine War) and oil (as a result of  the Global Warming Religion based on fake  science that is totally detrimental to oil extraction in the USA coupled to sale of oil from the US strategic Oil reserve to the Chinese) by the ultra-corrupt Biden and his son.   Chances of delivery possible at a snail pace or no delivery at all.

Can the Biden Administration be trusted at all?   Taiwan - under threat from China - ordered and paid for arms to the tune of $17 billion and he orders can be fulfilled - but the Biden Administration refuses to give permission for export of it to Taiwan.

Who is controlling the USA at present - sounds to me very much like it is Iran and China having Biden by the shorts because he was corrupt in his relationship with the Chinese and Iranians.      

             

   

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Oct 2023, 12:13
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13 Oct 2023, 12:13#6

Unless you are a half baked loon it is very clear that everything possible is being done to destroy Western Civilization. It's planned and totally deliberate. 

Mozzz is such a traitor to the US he espouses open borders. He thinks millions of unvetted pouring in is great for America. Well everyone is now wondering how many terroris/Jihadist/Cartel gang members etc are now in the country. 

Mike Congrats on two superb posts. 

I would just note that Trump in 2016 got 8 percent of the Black vote, in 2020 he got13%. He is now polling at 50 percent. He is also at a similar number amongst Hispanics. 

So the Only way DEMONRATS can win is by cheating, or somehow by stopping Trump via Assassination or Lawfare. 

Mozzzz big pick for President is DeSantis who is now around 50 points being Trump. 

Mozzz lives in a little elitist bubble in the US. He has no idea what ordinary people think or want. 

But for a massively rigged election America and the World would be in a much, much better way . 

With the war in Ukraine having lost the support of the American people, a second proxy war is being opened in Israel. Where will this one lead to. US backs Israel. Russia and China back Hamas. It's round 2.

All designed to cause, chaos, economic collapse, death and destruction till at last the people cry out give us a World Government.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2023, 13:51
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13 Oct 2023, 13:51#7

If America intervenes it’s a warmonger… if it doesn’t intervene it’s castigated for not taking down Isis. The fact is America has been a restrained world leader. No country ever had more power than the US did after WW2 with the Atomic bomb…they never even threatened to use it. Every genuine world crisis draws selfless American support.

But some want Russia or China, countries that don’t have the institutions to even guarantee a semblance of Justice for their own people.

And I have never been for open borders. But I’m certainly not for calling immigrants ‘scum’ as some on here have done. The vast majority are decent people. That said the US can’t solve all the issues of Latin America by allowing unrestricted flows across the border.

We are all safer in a period of American leadership.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2023, 18:42
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13 Oct 2023, 18:42#8

Mozart

 I also prefer the USA as leader of the Free world - bu then most people expect some honesty  from the USA - you  may feel safer - but with Biden as President most people in the USA and around the world feel less safe.   Face facts  you have a corrupt shit as president.

I have clearly said that I refer to the people illegally crossing the open Mexican border and released into the  USA.           \\




  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2023, 19:22
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13 Oct 2023, 19:22#9

Biden has made some foolish  mistakes…..but the country will survive his presidency as basically the same  enterprise.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Oct 2023, 19:52
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13 Oct 2023, 19:52#10

Hope the USA does survive  - but at present it is hopelessly divided and that goes back to hate campaigns of the media.and the conduct of both politicians and bureaucrats in promoting such hate campaigns.    As I see the situation the Democratic Party has moved to the far left leaving huge gap politicially in the center, while the Republicans have moved to the right,  If a solution to the present divides can be found the U SA will survive, but they need stronger politicians than they have at present to unite the people.    .   .      

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Oct 2023, 21:39
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13 Oct 2023, 21:39#11

I agree with that……I’m  liking  Nikki Haley more as a candidate…..she’s been a governor and a UN ambassador, and is a confident debater. A woman of Indian heritage  would undercut a lot of the Democratic arguments,

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Oct 2023, 08:35
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14 Oct 2023, 08:35#12

Mozart

Is Kennedy running as an independent?   That could  be a real problem for the Democrats though..That would mean they will be forced to move to the center politically since  he would get the support of at least 20% of the Democrats and perhaps another 10% of the Republicans and Independent voters.   In the end I think the voters were convinced  to vote for Biden as a so-called centrist - but he was so weak that the leftists lorded it out over him.     

Personally I do not think that Trump really is  an extremist himself - his policies have driven away the Blacks and Hispanics from the present Democratic Party and has promoted the present deficiency of the Democrats in an approach I do not think is supported by the majority of the voters in the country.    The Democratic Party used to be a centrist Party - but became reactionary under Obama  and more so under Biden.   The Open Border issue and Law and order leftist approach is driving away support from the Blacks and Hispanics as well  from the Democratic Party.     Unless the Democratic Party get rid of the extreme leftists in the Party I think the Party as such is doomed to split up politically in the end.   In the latter regard I think that voters according to opinion polls in the USA do not support 70% of the policies of the Party that is causing  the Party massive losses in support.

From the recent Governor elections in New York and New Jersey it is clear that voters in those two states indicated that they are sick and tired of policies that promote migrant influx and law and order deficiencies.    The same tends is noticeable in the EU countries as well.    Voters are sick and tired of illegal migrants and the leftist approach as to the Global Warming BS.   The present Government in Italy is an example.   They have moved away from for instance supporting of  the War in Ukraine.   

In Germany the same is applicable where the AfD is already the second biggest party in the country according  to opinion polls and actual elections.    .The CDU and essentially their Bavarian wing is center right in their approach.   They had a pledge not to work with the AfD in a coalition - but how long is that pledge going to remain with their Bavarian wing be really politically more in common with the AfD than with the Socialists and Greens - while support for the present coalition Government Parties are dropping like a lead ball.   

Every election in Europe  thus far this year has shown growth in support for conservativce parties and left-leaning Governments.supporting  the war in Ukraine are suffering major losses in support,    The main body losing support is the EU and it looks very much that unless the body becomes more centrist it will disintegrate.    In France the country is near to a civil war between the migrants and the French voters.   Every election in Europe this year has shown the same tendency - and the main sufferers in elections are the Socialist leftist parties.    

There is an election in the Netherlands - traditionally a country with a left-center approach - the recent regional and local elections has made it impossible for the left-center coalition to govern - since they lost control of the Dutch Senate so they are unable to govern the country.    What is happening in Europe will inevitably be duplicated in the USA next year. - the voters shifiting support to the center and moderate right wing.   That in fact means support for the EU and the war in Ukraine evaporating.               

In the end I think the EU will be changed to a sort of European BRICS with Russia being involved in it as well.   We are near the position where despite the media propaganda the voters are moving in a direction that would be detrimental to NATO.,the EU and the present Democratic Party government in the USA.    That is why support for the Ukraine in the present War is evaporising.in a growing list of countries starting off with Italy, Slovakia, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Poland. and Spain.    The EU is grossly unpopular in those countries and Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia are moving in the same direction.    It is a question of nationalism gaining the upper hand and if that happens international organizations like the EU and NATO will be in for a rough ride in future.   The Green war on cows and open border policy of the EU and similar policies on law and order are costing them support in all countries.   

So what will happen in the USA - nobody knows - but my suspicion is the end over time the Democrats will split into two distinct Parties - an ultra-left party and a centrist party.   What they are at present will not be able to sustain in future.       .    .

    

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
17 Oct 2023, 11:52
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17 Oct 2023, 11:52#13

Brics dumped 39m US Treasures in last month. 

In 3 years totally seperate from the dollar. Yippee

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2023, 14:01
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17 Oct 2023, 14:01#14

Now the U SA is arranging  for evacuation from Israel of American citizens by private airlines companies - but whomsoever is evacuated must sign an undertaking  to repay to the US  Government  the cost of such evacuation.

That like the promised payment of $700 to residents of that Hawai island - who lost everything they possess.   U S Citizens always came second when it comes to Biden Government priorities.    

   

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