NATO finally offers to help

Mr Trump said the waterway was “fully open and ready for full passage” and Iran, with the help of the US “has removed, or is removing, all sea mines”

But the US blockade of Iranian ports would remain “in full force and effect” until “such time as our transaction with Iran is 100 per cent complete”, he said.

The price of oil fell sharply and stock markets globally rallied higher after the announcement.

Reacting to the news, Sir Keir said: “We welcome the announcement that was made during our meeting, but we need to make sure that that is both lasting and a workable proposal and, if anything, it reinforces the need for the work that we’ve been doing this afternoon, because we’re very clear that the mission that we’re putting together is a defensive mission, and that comes after a ceasefire.”

Mr Macron said: “Recent events are encouraging, even if we have to remain prudent.”

The conflict in the Middle East has strained transatlantic relations, with Mr Trump repeatedly condemning Nato allies for refusing to support his military operations against Iran.

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A cautious Sir Keir and a prudent Macron….what baloney. And Ser Donald, perhaps less prudent and less cautious told them to take a hike. Increased taxes are coming to Europe, enough funding of these disloyal allies. How about if the US had told Margaret the Falklands isn’t our war…no sidewinder missiles, naval intelligence, or fuel. Shameful allies.

Other NATO countries were considering clearing the mines and getting involved, but not as part of Trumps' piracy. It was independent countries working in union and independent from the US- to clear the Straight because it was going to do massive damage to the global economy if the blockade went on for ages.

We still do not support bombing schools.

Trump lost his tariff super power, so not sure how you plan to increase taxes. Although I expect Trump is going to have another shot at Greenland. America wants to expand - albeit California is getting close to a 50% majority of leaving the US.

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Trumpianesque .................

The fake grifter allies has been exposed...NATO won't collapse now, too many never Trumpers around for that...but this was the 1st nail in the coffin.

Another funny thread. The collapse of any structured thought under the pressure of liberalisation.

NATO is a defensive alliance with a limited geographical reach.

The UK did not get NATO support during the Falkland war because NATO was not legitimate.

In the current case, it is very likely that European countries have planned to help in their name and not as NATO.

See how the collapse has got fast. Liberals can not respect their own treaties. Falkland war:not part of NATO treaty, no NATO support.

Aggression against Iran, out of the NATO perimeter, liberals insist it must be a NATO operation.

Looks like a premature ejaculation from our resident Trumpanzees again.

Iran have closed the Straits again because Bozo can't keep his word. Who is surprised?

Iran is working on a nuke right now underground. If they use it, America will be the target.

Not surprised at all….great joy for Ayatollah and regime supporters….but another justification for finishing the job.

Say Trad are you ready to tell us about the great success of the non liberals in South Africa. I asked a while ago…please give us your views.

"Iran have closed the Straits again because Bozo can't keep his word. Who is surprised?"

The have threats, not that much else ...they can obviously cause damage by an odd terrorist attack in the Strait but they really are not in this mighty position you TDS tards seem to think they are ... Keep on exposing yourselves for the twisted haters you've become....GRRRR!!!!

Say Trad are you ready to tell us about the great success of the non liberals in South Africa. I asked a while ago…please give us your views.

It is very funny. No time but if any, there will be a lot in the related thread. A lot. Because in fact, a lot has already been written on South Africa. Most of it will be just a repeat.

But the most important thing: liberals are unable of universality. Unable. Which is funny since liberalism is based on human beings' human rights, which are supposed to be universal. That is how this leads to dehumanisation. Liberals can not do otherwise.

Here an answer is demanded. But liberals do not feel urged to provide reciprocity.

Any comment about this:

https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/mikes-gripes/liberal-israel-and-human-shields/58840/

Peeps, lo and behold. It is like magic. Liberals can not do it.

It does not end here, peeps. Did a bit of research about civilian population crowding at civilian infrastructures to protect themselves. Iranians did not invent the trick. For example Ukrainians did it.

So any comment about that? No, can do.

Any comment about NATO as a defensive alliance with a legal perimeter of validity? No, can do.

Peeps, again the great speculation: liberals are en route to kill hundreds of millions people. And this requires a framework And the absence of universality is one of the features. Liberals are unable of universality.

It is very funny.

So nothing….the mess your team made of South Africa can’t be defended,

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Not surprised at all….great joy for Ayatollah and regime supporters….but another justification for finishing the job.

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What does finishing the job entail?

No one can stop Iran from developing a nuke, other than by nuking Iran first and wiping out their whole civilisation.

While Iran did appear to be honouring the Obama deal, it will eventually have a nuke.

Trump's actions have hastened this, first by ending the nuclear deal and then by invading Iran.

The current Ayatollah of Iran must really like America. You killed his father, his mother, his wife, one son, sister, niece and nephew.- along with destroying a lot of their military. Also, civilian targets like a school did not concern America. You have also threatened war crimes such as destroying civil energy and water, as well as threatening to end their whole civilisation in 48 hours...

So, unless the plan is to nuke Iran, there is no way to prevent Iran from developing its own nukes.

This is what the Trump acolytes could not see - but everyone else could. The Obama plan was to delay Iran getting nukes for as long as possible - the best outcome.

America respects nukes, but will bully countries that do not have nukes. The rest of the world sees this. When the playing field is level, America is the playground bully who runs away crying.

Putin has also offered to give Iran a nuke during the war with Ukraine to discourage America from supporting Ukraine.

So nothing….the mess your team made of South Africa can’t be defended,

It is very funny. Liberals come under various archetypes and this board concentrates a high number of very strong archetypes. The list could be made, no time though.

The absence of universality is strong as strong.

Liberals think they are owed answers while they do not owe answers. They can not do otherwise and the magic is that makes them predictable.

It is very funny.

It is like pressing a button and gets a result.

Example here: it is blatantly false to claim that nothing was written about South Africa, a lot has already been written.

Writing what was written already will serve no goal. Liberals can not receive answers. They must ignore them.

They know only submission.

See how liberals are forced to think that lines of thought are the result of belonging to a group. Liberals can not accept that people may make their own opinion.

Putting to demonstration:

But what team? And see how liberals can not answer that simple question. They are the ones who suggest one must belong to a 'team' to make basic observations about liberalism.

And watch it how they evaporate as soon as a simple question is asked.

So what team?

Nobody's home.

Very funny, no accountability...ever...your team was always gonna drop the ball....oh, sorry...steal the ball...and burn the stadium and sh!t on the pitch...always.

What does finishing the job entail?

Regime change.

Not having a military or any way of creating a nuclear weapon satisfies the West’s needs. Regime change would be the best assurance, but that’s up to the Iranian people.

Threatening to destroy all civil energy and water, bombing schools, and then threatening to wipe out their whole civilisation in 48 hours and blocking the Straight after Iran opened it - is a very unique approach to Regime change.

Ha, Ha. As if a country is going to agree to having no military. Even if they "agree" to not developing a nuke, that does not mean they are not already doing this right now before and after the paper is signed.

At this stage even Trump knows this is a disaster, but he is trying to manage the situation as the mid-terms are getting close, and the Iran war is not popular. Trump wanted their oil, just like he wants the oil of Venezuela and wants it to be traded in dollars.

These are not Western Demands, it is MAGA. Non-MAGA Americas do not agree with threatening to end a civilisation. (What if Iran actually already had a nuke hidden underground?)

MAGA are bullies- it is not just Iran, it is reoccurring pattern. America are the only country that has ever used a nuke. Ain't Karma a btich, if they become the 2nd country to get hit by a nuke.

The MAGA movement are Christian nationalist fundamentals that think they are God's people- but actually worship the same God as Iran.