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Nato member Turkey still bombing Kurd civilians.

Started by Moonrover9 REPLIES340 VIEWS· 08 Dec 2022, 16:00
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
08 Dec 2022, 16:00
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08 Dec 2022, 16:00#1

Turkey has been a member of Nato since 1952.They have killed tens of thousands of Kurd civilians since the conflict started in 1978.

How anyone can support Nato with this knowledge must hate innocent civilian lives. 


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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
08 Dec 2022, 16:23
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08 Dec 2022, 16:23#2

The Arab nations have their own show going on. 
Although it does beg the question, of why Turkey is even part of NATO. 
Turkey has an authoritarian dictator more like Russia than NATO countries (e.g. Japan etc)
After the Russian war, we say Turkey gets removed from NATO?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Dec 2022, 17:01
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08 Dec 2022, 17:01#3

Are you serious - no I guess not - just rank stupidity.   Turkey has after the USA the biggest army and defense force in NATO.    It is a real factor in European defense and if they are out - Europe will be in serious trouble.     

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
08 Dec 2022, 18:20
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08 Dec 2022, 18:20#4

Don't know who SB means by "we" since no Africa country is a part of Nato.

We are however closer to Russia since we are a part of the Brics alliance.
Turkey is also a Turkic country not an "Arabic " country either,it is situated at the crossroads of the Balkans,Caucasus,Middle East,ans eastern Mediterranean.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Dec 2022, 20:00
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08 Dec 2022, 20:00#5

The Ottoman Empire rivaled the Roman Empire at some stage in history...disrespect at your own peril...

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
08 Dec 2022, 20:54
#6
08 Dec 2022, 20:54#6

Turkey wiped out 1.5 million Armenians in a genocide beginning during the First World War.

 They have  a horrific history, and sided with the Germany in the 1st World War. They purchase weapons and are supplied by many NATO countries in their ethnic cleansing of the Kurds. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Dec 2022, 21:10
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08 Dec 2022, 21:10#7

The Promise is a decent movie about the Armenian Massacre, worth a watch on a winter’s day. If you believe the movies the Turks were exceptionally cruel…..they were also negatively depicted in Lawrence of Arabia.

On the other hand one of my best mates at college in the US was a Turkish fellow who subsequently succesfully went back home. A totally decent man.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Dec 2022, 21:17
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08 Dec 2022, 21:17#8

Draad is right - the Ottomans was a strictly Balkan  kingdom with Muslim beliefs and when they conquered Constantinople in 1452 they merely extended their kingdom eastwards,   They were in alliance with the Turks who never were Arabs.    The father of Suleman the Magnificent conquered the Amharic Empire  and brought to Istanbul some of the greatest treasures like the swords of Mohammed where it still is today.     Despite the wars the Ottoman Empire  was a thoroughly European empire - the only difference being they practiced the Muslim religion.   The Russians and the Turks were at war many times and in the 1770's the Russians conquered the Crimea that used to be a Sultanate - a subordinate of the Ottoman empire.   

Ukraine used to be part of the Polish and Lithuanian Federation  and after wars became part of Russia and western Ukraine became part of the Habsburg empire.    The nearest Ukraine came to be a country was  when  aftter the founder of the Rurik Dynasty  whose HQ were in Novgorod when Oleg succeeded him and moved to Kiev from Novgorod and formed the State of Kievan Rus.   However eventually the kingdom.  disintegrated  and Kiev became a Russian  Principality,   Kiev lost it importance in Russia when the leadership  of the Russian Orthodox Church moved from Kiev to Moscow as a result of the expansion of the Mongol Empire moved from Kiev to Moscow in the 13th century.   

Anyway - similar to the Poles, and Russians and Hungarians, Turkey effectively was more European country than an Arab country.        

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
08 Dec 2022, 23:25
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08 Dec 2022, 23:25#9
Well, NATO's Cold Turkey needs to decide whose side they are on. 
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
09 Dec 2022, 04:58
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09 Dec 2022, 04:58#10

"Well, NATO's Cold Turkey needs to decide whose side they are on." 

Wrong again, Turkey decides whether Finland and Sweden join NATO.

In June they requested the extradition of 33 Kurd fighters from those two countries. So Turkeys's ethnic cleansing of the Kurds is backed by NATO in more ways than one. No good saying NATO is a defence alliance, It's weapons wipe out millions of innocent civilians. 

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