NATO’S Chief Jens Stoltenberg on the Ukrainian War: ‘We Should Be Prepared for Bad News’

NATO’s chief is preparing the west for the inevitable.

Since the end of the much-hyped but ultimately failed Ukrainian counteroffensive, the MSM began the process of recalibrating the expectations of the western audiences.

The summer campaign, for which Western partners assembled an impressive – if mismatched – weapons and munitions arsenal, ended in minimal territorial gains, and as winter comes, Russian forces have retaken the initiative, and are making advances all over the long frontline.

Its astonishing to realize there were some dumbasses here who thought Ukraine would win the war. On every metric the war has been a disaster for the West just as it was planned to be.

Poor old mozzz, sharktwit, rooitwit, blobbrain and MOC will be very upset that their fantasy is imploding! The frot 5 disappear under a mountain of EGG. Talk about EGG magnets!

here is the article:

Bad news about Ukraine war

The fact that Stoltenberg said we must prepare ouselves "for bad news" indicates that the war is lost by Ukraine.    

The problem was that Biden asked for $86 billion and thus far got NOTHING since the Republicans are not going to give a green light to funding a country losing a proxy war for the USA.   Biden wants $86 billion - he would be lucky to ger $5 billion and that would casue the collapse of the Kiev proxy regime.   

The fact is the Rusians will not talk about peace until the Russian troops are in control of Khakov and Odessa.   The USA Government would be particulaly worried about their Odessa Biolab falling in the hands of the Russian Government   .   

On the contrary, it seemed to me a global military super power would finish this conflict in no time. Twenty one months later there has been no breakthrough, some attritional gains perhaps, but the Ukrainian flag is still flying.

An embarrassing performance by the Russian army. And perhaps the most heroic resistance by the Ukraine since the Spartans at Thermopylae. 

Made even more glorious by the fact that the Ukrainian population, according to the Russia bots, is 50% pro Russian. The other 50% must be super men.

The Kremlin is worried about the political impact of war disaffection leading up to the 2024 presidential election, according to a US think tank.

Support for the Ukraine war in Russia has hit rock bottom, according to a recent poll. 

The independent pollster Chronicle found that the number of Russians who fully support the invasion has almost halved since February 2023. 

Their survey revealed those who favour peace far outnumber pro-war voices, with more Russians supporting the departure of the country's troops from Ukraine than not. 

Discussing the findings, the Insitute for the Study of War (ISW) said on Friday the Kremlin was "likely concerned" about how changing attitudes towards the war could affect the 2024 Russian presidential election. 

The US-based think tank claimed Vladimir Putin will centre his re-election campaign on "Russia’s alleged domestic stability and increased criticism of the West instead of focusing on the war."

Conducting polls in authoritarian states, like Russia, is notoriously difficult. The Kremlin has criminalised criticism of the war and spends millions on pro-war propaganda, meaning they may not reflect the realities of the situation.

Chronicles, founded by Russian opposition politician Aleksei Miniailo, says its surveys offer an accurate snapshot of public opinion, however.

The Moscow-based research group asked 1,199 adults across Russia a series of questions in a phone poll between 17 and 22 October.

It found the number of core war supporters - those who express "consistent" approval of the war and want the invasion to continue until it has achieved its goals - fell from 22% in February 2023 to 12% in October. 

Chronicles' survey revealed that 40% of Russians support the withdrawal of troops from Ukraine without war aims being achieved. This number has remained consistent throughout 2023. 

Thirty-three per cent were against exiting Ukraine and wanted the war to continue, though this number has steadily fallen from 47% in February to 39% in July. 

One reason why support for the war is falling could be that Russians are increasingly feeling the pinch and seeing a more gloomy future due to the fallout from the invasion, as a separate survey has shown.

Polling by Chronicle echoed this, finding that 44% of respondents have experienced a decrease in family income.

Putin announced a significant increase in military spending this week, with about 30% of the country's budget directed toward the armed forces in 2024.

The survey also showed how the situation was impacting peoples' lives. 

More than half of the Russian population (52%) recently faced anxiety or depression, u from around a third (32%) in March 2022.

Those on lower incomes were more likely to report negative mental effects.

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Pedobeeno still thinks you should back the side he thinks will win, not who is right.

Go on Pedobeeno see if you can find a post where I claimed Ukraine will win, dumb Mike failed, let see if you can do any better.

You have made many claims that the war would have been finished well before now and then even going to say Russia where strategically holding back as they can walk into Kyiv any time they want.

Care to list the reasons that putin would do this when he desperately need a victory. I can think of plenty of reasons why putin wants the war to end immediately (or even better 5 days after the war started as you beelieved) and sweetFA reasons why a long war helps him or Russia in anyway.

The sanctions against Russia must remain in place indefinitely.
This war has created a new power alliance in the world, with North Korea and Iran joining Putins Axis of Evil.

The Ukrainians did attack certain pockets but the Russians absorbed the attack instead. 

As with Russian attacks they encircle an area and squeeze the supply lines. 

In warfare one of the best tactics is to cut off the enemies supply. This is what I've maintained throughout... even if the Ukrainians made a breakthrough could they sustain a supply line. 

Been following the war and have come to the decision that both sides are lying through their teeth regarding loses and ground gained.

Reality I think is somewhere in the middle, pedobeenos claims as as far from the truth as the radical nut bars on Ukraines side.

Mindless mass murder, people are just cunts, just on different levels of cuteness.

SB

You are suffering  from delusion and that makes you write silly things on site.   First of all the sanctions are not working  and the Russian eeconomy is not negatively effected by BS .   Example they still exporting gas to Germany through a pipeline running through Ukraine and even Ukraine is getting gas from that pipeline as well.  So the USA Government are providing dollars to their puppet Government in Ukraine and they are paying dollars they got from Washington to buy gas from Russia.

The USA caused and promoted their proxy war in Ukraine and the majority of countries think the USA has become a threat to peace worldwide.    What they tried to do to Ukraine was what they tried to do in Iraq - they preached democracy in those counries installed puppet Goverment and 20 years later the country is still in chaos.   The USA does not support democracy they support destruction of Demcracy by violent meaans as they did in Ukraine in 2014..    

The people in Europe are getting sick and tired of the USA love for war and did what they are doing in Ukraine.   In Berlin over the weekend there was a protest meeting of more than 50 000 people demanding the end of the War in Ukraine.   Governments in favor of the war are falling fast and more Government collapses in Western Europe and in fact world wide is falling - eg Argentina.

Incidentally the people in Europe are upset by the suffering they endure as a result of USA Power Hunger.    Ukraine is just an example - and the rest of the World is rushing to enter BRICS  to protec t them from American lust for power and imperialist ruling ideas.

The greatest danger to Democracy in the US A and in the world is that pestilent and corrupt regime in Washington.   

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Been following the war and have come to the decision that both sides are lying through their teeth regarding loses and ground gained.

Both sides are deliberately concealing the extent of their losses both to keep the morale up on the homefront both also for tactical and security reasons. Can't say I've seen Ukraine lie much about loosing or gaining territory, I've seen them them not acknowledge losing ground for a day or two but nothing significant. Russia tends to lie a lot more about.  

Reality I think is somewhere in the middle, pedobeenos claims as as far from the truth as the radical nut bars on Ukraines side.

Radical nutbars on the Ukraine side?

Mindless mass murder, people are just cunts, just on different levels of cuteness.

There is no comparison between Ukraine and Russia, one side is bravely defending its right to exist as a free and sovereign nation, the other is conducting a campaign under the banner of an imperial conquest and the eradication of a national identity.

Russia Bot Mike sees no problem with Russia invading Ukraine….but the US is a warmonger for helping them defend themselves. The ideal country for this Bot would have been the old East Germany, they also cloaked their nefarious schemes in fake cultural arguments.

Watch some of the pro Ukraine posters on YouTube,  as biased as any Russian  supporter.

Don't get me wrong I support Ukraine all the way but the blatant BS posted by both sides defies logic.

Pedobeeno is so stupid he will swallow any load of crap as long as its what he wants to accept. He can live in his fantasy land (something he has done all his life, as the saying goes being stupid only hurts other people as morons like him do not realise they are stupid)is there anyone else on this site that accepts the Russian claims of 50k Russian losses to 500k Ukrainians like pedobeeno claims, that 71 personal a day roughly since the war started yet he willingly accepts it. 

How the fuck can anyone take anything the idiot claims when he posts shit like that.

This Sad Sack is just another clone from one of our brilliant atheist analyzers.

Biden provided the Coup(thanks Mike) to turn Ukraine into one of their in 2014... all about power and money. They decided this way back in 2008 in the Budapest manifesto. Putin called their bluff... now they need to keep pumping money into a bottomless pit. 

About time you realised us Atheists as brilliant,  there is some hope for you yet pedobendover.

Mozart

Most ridiculou statement  ever on a superpower in a war situation.   The shit goes on in Iraq after the USA attacked Iraq in 2003 that is 20 years after the war started. and the country is still under attack.   The USA  were in Afghanistan and then in the middle of the night fled from th country leaving arms costing billions of dollars behind in the chaos.    Then there was Vietnam from where the US fled in disgrace as well.

But there is a difference - Russia did not want the war, the USA wanted it.   Russia tried peaceful negotiations to settle the issue of Ukraine - the USA sabotaged it.   FACT.   The USA wanted a proxy war in Ukraine - Putin did not.   The USA killed millions in the two wars I refered to - Russia wanted to limt caualties in the war - they even want to prevent deaths by fellow chiurch  members of the Orthodox church - ie 8o% of the Ukraine population - but Zelenskyy banned the functioning of the Church.

However, it serve no purpose to discuss issue with a liar like you.   I am not a Russian bot.  I believe in peace and realized that the  background to the war was ugly - wih the USA responsible directly for 99% of the ugliness.     The USA is not helping  to defend the Ukraine .    There is no independent Government in Ukraine there is a proxy Government totally controlled from Washington.    What the USA is supporting  is their proxy Government in Kiev.   The US Government does not give 2 figs for the people of Ukraine or how many people died in the war and how much corruption is invovled n the war.   .   .   .      .            

Stav

Your contributions abov is what is called a "word salad".    It is spreading of popaganda you have no poof of.   BB make ridiculous statements and ramble on about a Russian opinion poll.    How was such a poll done and who paticipaed in it?   Accoding to  you R ussia is a Putin dictatorship that would not allow a poll like that?    

You carry on about lazy journalists - yet all you do is speading of Ukraine and USA propaganda on site and that so-called myth of you is always the same.    

You obviously believe anyhing not in line with your thinking must be suffering from dementia, 

By he way there were repors of a mob burning down a hotel in Dublin  providing housing to illgal migrants entering Ireland?   The Dutch Government collapsed as a result of that issue and the war on cows of he EU.   Government collapse due to thinsg like the EU war on cows and open border polciy of the EU.   Is the Irish Government going to go the same way???  .     

No here’s the difference. The US was attacked by a group nurtured in Afghanistan….they took down two magnificent buildings and attacked the Pentagon. They killed 2996 people. A response was just as justified as the Israeli response to Hamas.

Ukraine attacked no one in 2022 when Russia invaded. Their invasion was unjustified and a contravention of the UN charter they signed….and it’s killed many more people. 

You are not unique in your views, many of your tribe have the view that the US is their worst enemy, so anybody who is against them….even Russia, hell even Iran, is your friend.

Watch some of the pro Ukraine posters on YouTube,  as biased as any Russian  supporter.

Any in particular, I've watched a few and haven't come across any that come across any really egregious cases, or even remotely close to t he nonsense Beeno and Mike post.

Stav

Since the start ocf the Ukraine War all you ever quote on site was Ukraine, UK and USA propaganda against Russia.  I do not agree with Biden ion many issues he raised - esecially religion - but I do not take BS as facts and and look at docyumented evidence  only when I make comments on site.

Any factual information in western media - like the time mamazine factual article on the Ukraine army is "lazy journalism".    You never ever use factual info on anything.- when Stoltenbrg said NATO should prepare themselves for bad news from Ukraine - you refer to the Avdivka battle where  there is a smallish hold out surrounding by Russian troops in asmall area in Avdivka held by Ukraine troops that like in Mariopol will surender surrender soon.

Your cklaims of victory of Ukraine is absed on three information sources you always used on site, namely -

*   statements of the Ukraine Government propganda arm;

*    propganda in UK and USA publications nly when it favor Ukraine winning the war to ensure the war continues; and 

*    and propaganda firm the Study of War arm of the US Armaments comapnies.

It would really be comical - but it is a real human tragedy caused by the USA.    

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Mozart

Once again you distort everything I said.   I did not cmment on the war causes and issues I merely commented on your standard attack on how weak the Russian army is as a suprpowr,   

You could not counter my statement and refer to the 9/11 disaster.   as the reason for the starting of the war in Afghanistan .   We all were horrified by what ahppened on 9/11 done by Al Qaeda linked terrorists Clinton allowed to enter the USA and cause havoc.   There were about 32 of them.  

What happened on 9/11 will be small fry compared to what is bound to happen in the USA soon.   The Biden Open Border policy allowed at least ten thousand Muslim linked terrorists into the USA and then there are also the more than 11 000 young Chinese men allowed into the USA comng in from Mexico.

Nobody knows what happened to the potential terrorists that the Biden Government flew into th USA fom Afghaniustan.   But then we also have internal terorist grups like BLM and Antifa started as initiaties of Obama and used and funded by the Democrats in the "peacefull protests" in USA inner cities that caused the murder of 46 people -  wounding of over 1200 police officers by the BLM and Antifa criminals and billions of damages through looting and arson in USA inner cities.   Those two Democratic Party terrorist subsuidiaries are now organizing the pro-Hamas protests  in the USA.

Tha t entails a whole witches brew  cooked up by the Biden Administartion.   Internal  Terrorism in the USA are coming and it will hit everybody badly - but when I refcerred to the southhern border issue - you attacked me about my criticism of the situation.

By the way dimness - what will the USA do after Mexico joined  BRICS and they allowed China to place ballstic missiles there,   Surely the USA will attack Mexico - or will they even try?   The USA wants to do that in Ukraine threatening Russia - but in the Ukraine case it is justified by the US Government.   Will that be the case if it happens in Mexico?   

Keep on writing BS on site - it is your speciality and in a way enjoyable since despite your success in the comercial field you achieved extreme idiocy iro everything else.    .       

Why are you not anwering the questions I post on site about the Ukraine issue and keep on pushing BS spreading on site?   

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Poor ou Mozz ie getting squashed by Mike again.

Putin has taken his time. He has limited Russian casualties and decimated the Ukranian army. 

Now Putin has close to 1.2 million troops. Russia is producing all the arms they need and their economy is doing well. 

The Russian population is virtually 100 % behind Putin. 

Putin could strike now or just wait for the funding to dry up and force negotiations from a position of great strength. 

I don't think the USA could beat Rusdia in a land war so far away. They will of course not even try. 

The appetite for the war is over. Russia has won and it's on to the negotiations. Of course to save face Biden may try to keep the war going somehow. However thst will sink him lower in the polls. 

Russia is in the driving seat. The Globalist instigated war has been a great success in thst it has weakened the West and strengthened the China led block just as it was intended. 

Meanwhile America under the illigitimate Biden Regime is destroying America. Europe is struggling under Globalist  rule. 

However the Great Awakening is gathering momentum like never before. It really is a race against time to kick out the Globalist scumbags before they take total control and enslave and destroy humanity. 

Beeno as usual getting things right. 

That’s the fantasy. The reality is China is the struggling country and all their stocks reflect it. Let’s look at a year of performance at two similar bell weather stocks in the US and China. Both reliable measures of internet commerce in their countries.

Amazon stock price since Dec 7 2022…up 64%

Alibaba stock price since Dec 7 2022….down 23%

If you had bought an option straddle with the buy on Amazon and the sell on Alibaba you could have made a nice a killing. I missed that one! Always bet on the USA!

Yep almost 100% are behind putin otherwise you are behind bars. Great choice that.

Why don't you visit red Square and hold up a blank piece of paper pedobeeno. Bet you don't have the balls to do even that.

Ole Mozzie doesn't even know The US borrows money from China to fund the Ukraine war. 

Their Democrats won't even talk to the Republicans about their own Southern border issues,but want to push instead for a 103bn aid to Ukraine. What a shambles... they funded they coup, war and now jump ship. 

Mozart

You may  feel smug at present - but if prsent conditions comntinue  the grim believes expressed by voters in opinion polls that the USA is going down will be realizedc/   

China owns about 2.6% of US debt, and it’s falling. That’s the lowest percentage since 2009. It’s falling because selling dollar denominated debt and buying back yuan supports the wobbling Chinese exchange rate.

Japan owns more US debt than China. So your statement that the US borrows from China to fund Ukraine is balls…as usual. You need better conspiracy sources, your’s are too easy to discredit….Ole Moonie!

You shd speak to Dr Paul one of your Senators 

He said your deficit exceeds 1.5 trillion this year.It's him that said you're borrowing money from China,s top listening to your buddy Biden. 

You shd also know that in a CNN poll most Americans oppose funding the Ukraine war any longer. You're in the minority according to CNN. 

Nothing  will stop Mozart - he believes that the USA is doing  very well while 44 million citizens suffers from food insecurity and even starvation.  At least 14 to 17% of the 44 million are children often  going to bed hungry.

So rather cover the full Ukraine Government budget plus another $55 billion in war costs than to help ordinary people in the USA to have sufficient food.    Every family earning $60 000 a year is now $10 to 12 000 worse off than they were in 2020.  A nd then Biden imported through their Open Boder policy7 million illegal migrants into the country who gets accommodation and food provided by the Government  as well as hospital/medical and education costs - for the US citizens it means hunger and even starvation.     As a wealthy person Mozart can afford to spending say $15 000 a year more on food. - for everybody eazrning less money it is what I already stated - it is a disaster.  

It is totally crazy  and against the ordinary people of the USA. Why is that happening?.  It happens because the US Government do not caee a hell about people - it is all about ideology of the ultra-left and their billionaire funders.   They talk about having the people own nothing and be happy about it.    It means vrtually enslaving of people and decide on what they are allowed to do from birth to death.   Opposition to it is regard ed as internal terrorism and the FBI and Justice Department are playing a major role in that craziness - it is not a dictaorship yet - but another 4 years under a Democrat presidency and by 2028 it will be one.

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The democrats probably got the vote thru these immigrants etv... not really interested in their internal policies. 

Moonrover

In the USA it is easy - you register non-citizens as voters and even if they do not vote themselves the Party use the mail-i n vote system to ensure they do. 

It is time the Republicans get the voters role and the names of the deaths as well as names of non-citizens and people who died over the last 5 years and run it through a comnputer program and check who are the dead and non-citizen voters on the voters role and take it to court to get it cleared up before the election next year or the dead and migrants will vote through mail-in unidentified votes and the Democrats will win in the election.

There is another angel to - if people are caught stuffing drop down ballot boxes the DP DA's refuse to press charges and cases are not followed up.   Connecticut is one example of that.