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No difference between ancient and modern times when it came to religion and governance - updated version

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Feb 2023, 10:46
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20 Feb 2023, 10:46#1

Going back thousands of years starting after the Ice Age ending in circa 12 000 BC - the world was a dangerous place to live in and the family was the core around which life was built.   However, that was the start of evolution and Governance through thousands of years.   Families started to work together for protection purposes and gradually tribes and thereafter nations and empires develop.


In that period religion also started and developed.   There were thousands of gods discovered by mankind and graually gained power as a partner in Governance.   A more recent example was the prohibition of eating of pork by the islam and Jewish religion based on consequences of deterioration of pork in the hot mid-east climate - causing health and evend eath problems as a result.   The people won't accept such rulings from the actual Government and so they turned it into a religious rule - which at times had more clout than civic authorities.


With Governance becoming strengthened some formats of religion vanished virtually totally while others went into near to total decline.   Another aspect was the absorbing of elements of one religion being taken forward by the competing religion.  There are elements in the Northern and cnetral Europe old religions that was absorbed in the Christian religion - eg Yule became Christmas, the feast day after winter - namely the 1st of May - before laborers started out to plant for the new season - became labor day.   The Viking word for delinquents after death was Hel - the Christian word was hell.


Empires came and went - some lasted hundreds of years before their demise - mostly caused by moral decline and collapse - eg the Western Roman Empire - or through conquest like happened nearly a thousand years later.   Some were caused by conquest by competing empires.    As to religions it became part of the power used by political leaders in the Dark and Early Middle Ages.   After that religion gradually became less effective in governance and through centuries it was a key supporter to development of liberal and constitutional governance.  However - in essence  religion remains important to Billions of People throughout the world.  


Democracy was developed strongly after the American War of Independence and during the next two centuries became the best form of Governance ever - the ideal being the protection of the rights and privileges of all people.   However, Democracy is under attack at present and for that purpose -


*    new religions based on so-called science started to develop and be nurtured - eg Global Warming and Covid to anme a few;


*    family life is under attack with the aim of wiping it out as a factor in societal development; and


*    the destruction of Democracy through open borders and people trafficking to destroy nation states and cultural beliefs and freedom.


So the world is much the same - ancient kingdoms used religion as a means to solidify their rule - modern politicians seems to try and do the same with the new religions they u se for the purpose.                                   

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Feb 2023, 10:49
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20 Feb 2023, 10:49#2

Where is loadshedding when you need it?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
20 Feb 2023, 10:50
#3
20 Feb 2023, 10:50#3

Wait Covid is a religion now?


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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
20 Feb 2023, 17:14
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20 Feb 2023, 17:14#4

Ok lets do some fact-checking here and cross out the BS. 

Going back thousands of years starting after the Ice Age ending in circa 12 000 BC - the world was a dangerous place to live in and the family was the core around which life was built.   However, that was the start of evolution and Governance through thousands of years.   Families started to work together for protection purposes and gradually tribes and thereafter nations and empires develop.

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Corrections:

The start of civilisation happened when mankind invented farming using grain around 10-12 thousand years ago, not because of the start of families. 
Hunter Gather tribes existed before this but were nomadic- meaning they had to move around more often to find food. Family practice long predates the agricultural era, as do tribes. 
The agricultural era was the first time that mankind could establish a town where a vast amount of people could live in the same place indefinitely.  That allowed for more advanced societal structures. 

If we are to believe DumbMike, then family and religion were responsible for the development of civilization, not the invention of farming. 

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In that period religion also started and developed.   There were thousands of gods discovered by mankind and graually gained power as a partner in Governance.   

Archaeologists believe that religious practises go back 10's, if not hundreds of thousands of years ago. 

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With Governance becoming strengthened some formats of religion vanished virtually totally while others went into near to total decline.   
This has happened long before this, no one knows how many religions have existed, but it is expected religion has existed much longer than the agricultural age. 

 After that religion gradually became less effective in governance and through centuries it was a key supporter to development of liberal and constitutional governance.  However - in essence  religion remains important to Billions of People throughout the world.  


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The rest is just tripe that is so far gone, it can't even be fact-checked. Just meaningless drivel that does not make any points. 
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For reference, I did not check any sources before writing this, but this is one you can look at. 

The Development of Agriculture | National Geographic …

https://www.nationalgeographic.org/article/development-agriculture

Web8 de jul. de 2022 · Out of agriculture, cities and civilizations grew, and because crops and animals could now be farmed to meet demand, the global population rocketed—from some five million people 10,000 years ago, to more than seven billion today. There was no …

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    clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
    21 Feb 2023, 17:38
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    21 Feb 2023, 17:38#5

    I expected BS in response to a serious warning.   Covid served a gr5eaty chance to control everything people did and the USA is still involved in gain of function research with similar dire consequences to come.    Let me explain something the media lied about relating to control measures relating to Covid and politicians did the same.   You will be immune to Covid infection if you take vaccine - you will die if you do nt get vaccinated - people were restricted to their homes could not travel freely, etc.    It was a nice run in practicing dictatorship in the world.

    The same applied to Global Warming - it really is a religion by many basing on what the media and some scientists claim to be the case.   

    What I wrote is a warning as to what is coming - but I do not expect any indoctrinated person would take it seriously.    It is coming and people will find it too late to react against it.   I pity the next generation - they will be slaves in a world depending on the goodwill of the dictatorial elite.    If anybody is opposing the Government they will be wiped out - some of them wants a world population of 500 million as an ideal - the rest of the people are disposable.

                      

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