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Not sure how true this is......

Started by Denny12 REPLIES492 VIEWS· 01 Jun 2022, 09:16
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
01 Jun 2022, 09:16
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01 Jun 2022, 09:16#1

The rifles were briefly banned

In 1994, President Bill Clinton banned the AR-15 and other similar semiautomatic rifles. After its ban, mass shootings were down in the decade that followed, in comparison to the decade before (1984-94) and the one after (2004-14), NPR reported in 2018. But once the ban expired in 2004, gun manufacturers quickly began production and sales rose.

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But if it is true then it's s trange that a successful experience was stopped.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Jun 2022, 10:47
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01 Jun 2022, 10:47#2

Denny

You are right - Clinton banned the ownership of assault rifles in 1994 for ten years and the ban was renewed under Bush in 2004.   However, another ten year renewal was due in 2014 and Obama did squat about it - so the ban lapsed.    

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
06 Jun 2022, 12:18
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06 Jun 2022, 12:18#3

"However, another ten year renewal was due in 2014 and Obama did squat about it - so the ban lapsed."  

Another pathological lie, it was Bush who scrapped the ban not Obama.

"A 10-year ban on certain semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns defined as assault weapons was signed into law by president Bill Clinton in 1994 but expired and was not renewed under president George W Bush in 2004."

"Mr Biden was a senator in 1994 and was instrumental in that year's assault-weapons ban passing Congress."

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jun 2022, 19:25
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06 Jun 2022, 19:25#4

Quisling, Quisling, Quisling…..it’s not proof finding claims on the internet. You have to consider the source. Your source is bent, you can see that right from the part where they try to give Jumping Joe credit.

This from ABC News a left leaning but a credible source:

‘ One of the most-cited studies on the effectiveness of the ban was done in 2004. That federally funded report by the National Institute of Justice at the Department of Justice found that the number of gun crimes involving automatic weapons dropped by 17% in the six cities involved in the study during the ban.

The report pointed to a reduction in the use of assault pistols, but noted that there had not been a clear decline in the use of assault rifles.


Ultimately, the report claimed that it was "premature" to make any decisive conclusions.


"Because the ban has not yet reduced the use of LCMs [large capacity magazines] in crime, we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence. However, the ban’s exemption of millions of pre-ban AWs [assault weapons] and LCMs ensured that the effects of the law would occur only gradually. Those effects are still unfolding and may not be fully felt for several years into the future, particularly if foreign, pre-ban LCMs continue to be imported into the U.S. in large numbers," the report stated.

"Although the ban has been successful in reducing crimes with AWs, any benefits from this reduction are likely to have been outweighed by steady or rising use of non-banned semiautomatics with LCMs, which are used in crime much more frequently than AWs. Therefore, we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence," the study’s summary said.

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Do you really think if there was a weapons ban which had conclusively improved violent crime, it wouldn’t be shouted from the hilltops? You really are an incredibly naive fellow.

For the record….banning one type of concealable weapon will simply shift the emphasis to another type. We need a comprehensive ban and I’d be all for that. 


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Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
06 Jun 2022, 20:01
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06 Jun 2022, 20:01#5

No, weapons arent the problem. How can you expect people to valie life when you teach its really just not important??? These fucking idiots cant get their story straight. 

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
07 Jun 2022, 05:48
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07 Jun 2022, 05:48#6

Pompous Piles, Pompous Piles.....Hear me, Hear me....

The only thing that's naive is your belief in a "comprehensive ban".......sure it's the solution but we all know that it ain't gonna happen....not until Hell freezes over. America is stuck in an archaic amendment just as extremist are stuck in primitive scripture. 

Houston has a problem and America is a Deer staring into Houston. Stop with your nonsense of posting Nyaaah Nyaaah dated and inconclusive reports. The time for gasbagging is done.,  it's a time for action.

Get this into your pompous head, the choice of weapon for the vast majority of mass killings is automatic and military style guns. Those weapons do not belong in the public domain......it's just commonsense that it doesn't. Banning the manufacture and sale of those weapons to the public ain't going to stop mass shootings but chances are that potentially it will save a life or more. Mine is not a holistic solution but it's a start and BTW it's one that Congress is going to vote on this week....and another BTW it's an idea I floated over a year ago.

And oh, your hate of anything and everything Democrat and Biden is palpable. 

Grow up and focus on the issue not petty and political drivel.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2022, 01:59
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08 Jun 2022, 01:59#7

But as one of the ‘most cited’ studies outlines your solution doesn’t work Quisling. Banning those weapons was tried and simply transfers the problem:

‘Although the ban has been successful in reducing crimes with AWs, any benefits from this reduction are likely to have been outweighed by steady or rising use of non-banned semiautomatics with LCMs, which are used in crime much more frequently than AWs.’

Rather than repeat this failed experiment, there are many better ideas to try. Better tracking of aberrant  players. Directly tackling non banned semi automatics. Focusing on Left Wing Hollywood’s glorification of the gun.

Only a fool would repeat a failure. But my guess Quisling is this is just a mistake. You saw an anti conservative headline and rushed to post  it without even checking your facts. And so you put me through the tedious process of schooling you once again.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jun 2022, 16:17
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08 Jun 2022, 16:17#8

The WSJ had an article today that provides another slant. Gun sales to urban blacks are up 58% in 2022 over last year. Mostly for protection in the ‘defund the police’ environment.

These people are in a dangerous environment. As one man admitted he bought a gun for personal protection, in his own four walls, after a 7ft drug dealer came by banging on his door. In those circumstances buying a gun is totally understandable.

All these ‘woke’ social ideas……break down society and contribute to the very things the Left deplores.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
09 Jun 2022, 02:53
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09 Jun 2022, 02:53#9

Look, just like millions of dumb Americans you just don't get it, I'm not opposed to legally owning a gun, I'm opposed to the public owning military style automatic weapons. I'm saying those weapons do not belong in the public domain......start there. Is that clear enough?

Again, you and millions of dumb Americans don't get that there is a correlation between mass killings and automatic military type weapons.......kill the connection. And perhaps I'm over the top but a severed connection could possibly sever the psyche of a mass killer....who knows.

I agree it won't entirely stop mass killings and I understand that the killers will choose a different type of weapon but an alternative weapon would minimize death and injury.

One last thing, the solutions proposed by the GOP is nothing but cosmetic.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jun 2022, 04:14
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09 Jun 2022, 04:14#10

Actually I’m sure ‘millions of dumb Americans’ have no idea that you are not opposed to owning a gun….or give a damn. The fact is you made a big case of  the ban on assault weapons reducing the death rate. The most cited  study says that’s a false conclusion,  

And blacks in America,  are buying guns at unequalled rates because your heroes defunded the police. Those guns would not be legal in Australia:


A person must have a firearm licence to possess or use a firearm. Licence holders must demonstrate a "genuine reason" (which does not include self-defence) for holding a firearm licence[2] and must not be a "prohibited person". All firearms must be registered by serial number to the owner, who must also hold a firearms licence.

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So the man barricaded in his apartment while a 7 foot drug dealer is pounding on his door, wouldn’t have a legitimate reason for owning a gun

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It appears laws that might be appropriate for Australia’s curated society might not be appropriate for America’s much more complex brew of people and laws. 

Only truly stupid people believe one size fits all.



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Jun 2022, 07:15
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09 Jun 2022, 07:15#11

AR15 s aren't automatic or asault riffles... the public can't own automatic rifles in the USA...they are semi automatic...which should also be looked at.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Jun 2022, 07:49
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09 Jun 2022, 07:49#12

"An AR-15-style rifle is any lightweight semi-automatic rifle based on the Colt AR-15 design. The original ArmaLite AR-15 is a scaled-down derivative of Eugene Stoner's ArmaLite AR-10 design. The then Fairchild Engine and Airplane Corporation division ArmaLite sold the patent and trademarks to Colt's Manufacturing Company in 1959. After most of Colt's patents for the Colt AR-15 expired in 1977, many firearm manufacturers began to produce copies of the Colt AR-15 under various names. Despite the patents expiring, Colt retained the trademark of the AR-15 and is the sole manufacturer able to label their firearms as AR-15.[1] Although Colt owns the AR-15 trademark, the "AR" in Colt AR-15 stands for "ArmaLite Rifle", not "assault rifle".[2][3]"

The weapon of choice for the bulk of mass shooters.

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AJHPro3,183 posts
09 Jun 2022, 19:48
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09 Jun 2022, 19:48#13

All laws are made for honest people....the criminals and mentally deranged don't follow laws and all sorts of weapons are freely available if you wish to buy such.

For instance in RSA during the Nats rule the regiment I served in was often called to support or carry out raids on various locations to confiscate illegal arms that had found their way into the country (or just over the borders) you would not believe the amount of arms and ammunition that we confiscated and destroyed.

The truth is no situation requires military weapons to be owned by regular citizens.

In the USA the right to bear arms is completely out of control and unfortunately once citizens have these type of military weapons which are not illegal they refuse to surrender them and that is a major issue be you a Democrat or a Republican.



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