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Obamagate - How Obama weaponized Intel Agency for Political attacks

Started by clevermike18 REPLIES569 VIEWS· 17 May 2020, 09:37
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 May 2020, 09:37
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17 May 2020, 09:37#1

What happened in the 2016 election that turned the situation in the worst political scandal in the history of the United States ever, will always be regarded from different angles, but remains a disgrace that will be remembered in history as an attack on democracy in a country where such an attack should never go unpunished.


For some reason or another Obama decided to use the FBI and the Justice Department to undermine the opposing Republican Party in the election and subsequently and that is not what is expected to ever happen in a democracy where such actions are more linked to police state scenario than to any form of democracy,   Perhaps he thought that what happened will never be exposed if Clifton became President, but unfortunately it did not happen and went far deeper than what was ever expected from a President.   


Ostensibly the problem started years before the election,   Obama had the strong support of most of the media and could count on them to cover up anything negative happening in his administration, but there was a problem and that was that since Reagan the ownership of large components if the media ownership changed and the social media was established practice was that the Government start to use the media to cover up wrongdoing by Government.  That was done in important cases where weapons of mass destruction - which never existed - to start a war in Iraq with ghastly consequences still effecting the world today,  


However, a partial media was not the total solution and something more was needed and that entails the usage of the policing and the judicial system to  undermine and discredit the Republican Party,   It started muck earlier and already in 2012 there were incidents like the usage of her private server by Clinton for official purposes,  That had potentially damaging consequences like hacking the service and exposing things that should never become public knowledge in the first place,   The fact is an investigation became necessary, because nasty information became available on a wide range of issues and not was politically necessary to cover it up,  The only way possible to do that was to ensure that the FBI and the Justice Department was not properly used to do any real investigation and to cover it up.   However, that did not prevent thousands of e-mails from emerging and painting a  very negative image of what happened under the Obama Administration.  The first thing was to ensure that the discovered e-mails would not be used for investigations pf potential crimes having being committed, but did not stop the circulation of the e-mails.  


Being as it may the start of the 2016 election campaign had severe problems for the Democratic Party,  The problems mainly centered around dissatisfaction with Government and a general feeling on the working class sector - making up about 70% of the voters  - that their interests were neglected by the Washington hierarchy under both Democratic and Republican presidencies and factually their standard of living went down rather drastically,  Their real income since 1988 declined by circa 10% and the majority of voters felt that Washington has no interest in what they encounter in their daily lives,  Major capitalists started closing down their industries in the USA and jobs were lost especially in States that became known as the Rust Belt States where workers in the past voted solidly for the Democratic Party,


The news media did their part, The "opinion polls" they published always showed a huge victory by Clinton, but internally with the Intelligence service and in the White House they ere worried by the fact that too many people were dissatisfied by the prevailing conditions and a voter rebellion could be in the offing,   Drastic measures were needed  and that was where the Presidency became involved in the process,   The question was how to counter voter dissatisfaction with a Government far removed from the actual voters,   The next step was easy - produce "evidence: that there were conniving between the Trump campaign and the Russians, but the problem was not easy - so the DNC and Clinton hired an ex-spy and the Steele Dossier was compiled to discredit Trump and allege that he was Putin's agent in the USA<  There was zero evidence that it ever happened.   However the media could be used to spread the "story" 0 but some assistance from the intelligence services was needed to make the allegations against Trump stick.  


In the process the FBI became the real organization needed to deal with the issue,  The first instance was to "spy" on the Trump campaign to substantiate what was in the Steele Dossier.   In the end the FBI wanted to give a cover-up to legitimize their action by using the FISA Act to legitimize their actions.  They had to get permission from the FISC - they submitted to that Court fraudulent applications  to spy on the opposing campaign.  There was initially 1 application that became generally known and that was the one on Carter Page - an agent who did work for the CIA an as a consequence met with people and report the discussions to the CIA,   He also met some Russians and promptly reported the issues discussed to the CIA.   Page was involved in the Trump campaign and the FBI in their application falsified the information provided to the FISC and used the Steele Dossier to justify their application.   When investigated by the Inspector General of Judicial Services years later he found 17 "mistakes" in the Page application and found 29 other applications where there was the same methods used,   Effectively the situation was that instead of the FISA being used to protect the interests if the USA by secret investigation of foreigners it became a mechanism to spy on American people based on their political beliefs,   


However, the elements in the management of the FBI and Justice Department involved in the FISC court applications and it became a free for all case and used totally illegitimate means to spy on others where FISC applications were not involved, like in the Flynn case.  They has no reason to investigate Flynn and even their own reports indicate that they found nothing to pursue further investigations, but Obama had a real problem with Flynn insofar as his actions were concerned when he was the Director of National Intelligence under Obama.  He differed from him on two issues, Flynn warned him that the real threat posed by Muslim fanatics persisted despite of the killing of Osama Bin Laden  and will be a bigger threat to the USA than ever before and that China became the major threat to the USA, while the potential threat from Russia declined.  Obama consequently fired Flynn, but when it became clear that Flynn was going to become part of the Trump Administration Obama ordered that something should be done to incriminate Flynn and a meeting in the White House on 4 January 2017 set in motion a series of actions to be followed after the inauguration of Trump as President,   An interview with Flynn followed as a first step and the way it was handled was totally irregular and obviously unlawful,  That resulted in criminal charges against Flynn that was false to start off with.   When Attorney General Barr decided to have a lawyer investigating the whole saga - it became known that the whole saga stemmed from the January meeting mentioned and that it was a plot involving Obama, Biden and all the seniors in the FBI and the CIA as well as an Assistant Secretary General in the Justice Department.  The attack on Flynn continued unabated for years afterwards in a Court Case against Flynn and in the end Barr dropped the charges like a hot potato because of the issue of Obama politics being involved and there were clear evidence that the report on an interview 2 FBI agents had with Flynn was illegally falsified to implicate him in criminal activities.  


The Russian Collusion issue ended up being investigated by the House and Senate Intelligence Committees and found no evidence that any of the many officials and politicians under oath declared that they have no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians.  This was confirmed when the statements made by people involved were released.   However, the campaign was not ended in the two investigations mentioned.   The same people whom under oath had no evidence of collusion, turned around and told  the media  they had evidence of collusion.  The question is - were they lying under oath or were they lying to the media.


Being as it may the same elements involved in the previous illegal activities were involved in the setting up of the appointment of the Mueller Special Council.   What it ended up in was to confirm the fact that Trump conspired with the Russians to win the election.  Mueller was given a free hand to conduct the interviews and was given 1,2 million documents, conducted over 500 search warrants investigations and 2 500 witnesses and found nothing.  The whoee exercise cost more than $32 million,   Even though they submitted a lengthy report they could find no evidence - so they had to claim something else.   They claimed that Trump somehow obstructed Justice, but when questioned in the House Mueller and his team could not provide a single example of where it happened.


At present there are still investigations in progress on the issue and indications are that many senior former officials will be charged with crimes resulting from the investigations.  The end is not in sight yet and the implications are not looking good for Obama and his administration.  It will no doubt cause damage to his administration and action would have to be taken to prevent even worse scandals in future,                                     

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 May 2020, 14:30
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17 May 2020, 14:30#2

There will obviously disputed by some – but here is why Obama will soon be facing problems .

1     There are serious policy differences between Obama and Trump,   Obama is a Democrat Socialist – Trump is moderate Republican with view based on America First,    Obama use the socialist approach, give them money or foodstamps to survive, but barely so – Trump wants to get people into work situations and allow them to improve their situation in life. 

2     Obama adore Globalism – Trump is more interested in the  wellbeing of the people of  America

3     The other major problem is the history of corruption in the Obama Admniostratio and the potential that people may be prosecuted  for that,


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 May 2020, 14:43
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17 May 2020, 14:43#3

Great effort Mike. 

As long as your post was it would need to be much longer to cover the Obamagate/Spygate/Russian HOAX etc.

Personally I think by November there will be indictments but not of Obummer and Biden. That will come in Trump's second term. 

In terms of law both these two COUP PLOTTERS should be tried and hung but you don't energize your opposition. It will be enough to expose their Treason and indict their underlings like Comey Brennan, Clapper etc.

Again I say the reason for the unpresidented hatred of Trump is he is destroying the Globalist agenda. He is putting an end to the destruction of the nation state that is the USA and encouraging those nation states in the EU to free themselves from Globalist rule. 

Secondly, the free lunch doled out by previous globalists like Clinton, the Bushes and Obummer are over.

Looking forward to the Deep State and demonrat crimes being exposed week by week and watching poor halfwits Rooitwit and sharktwit tying themselves into k notts trying explain matters. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 May 2020, 13:02
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18 May 2020, 13:02#4


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 May 2020, 13:13
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18 May 2020, 13:13#5

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 May 2020, 13:39
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18 May 2020, 13:39#6


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 May 2020, 13:40
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 May 2020, 13:42
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 May 2020, 14:03
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18 May 2020, 14:03#9
Here's a quote from the hypocrite Cowardunce a few weeks ago . . .
"Hmmmm. Memes have not quite been proven as reliable sources of facts.
Yes, the same stinking hypocrite who gets all red-faced and tearful when people post memes . . . he's made 4 contributions on this thread and all 4 have been meme's . . . not very funny or clever ones mind you, but memes nonetheless.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 May 2020, 14:24
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18 May 2020, 14:24#10

They weren’t meant to be seen as facts. Unlike you, I don’t use memes to state facts. They were meant to be funny. I use them to poke fun. But don’t worry if you yourself don’t find them funny. We understand. 

If I really wanted to take you apart with facts I would have done that. There are plenty of material available. Although, I have learnt that, by now, how you operate. Exactly the same as all the luvies. Pulling some cowardice stunt and then turn around and accuse me of doing exactly that. Standard Operational Procedure for you. 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 May 2020, 15:05
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18 May 2020, 15:05#11
I see . . . so when Brycy, Sharkbok and I post memes on here we're being very naughty because we're trying to present them as facts . . . but when you do the same thing then it's because they're hilarious and we should all be laughing our heads off.
Got it now.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 May 2020, 16:23
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18 May 2020, 16:23#12
‘When me and Bricy and Sharkbok post memes on here’.......shocking English.  But at least you you have moved from ‘LMAO‘ to laughing ‘your head off‘. I’m assuming your fat arse is finally off. Wehe!
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 May 2020, 16:58
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18 May 2020, 16:58#13
"Bricy" (sic)
For the unpteenth time, if you're a dull-witted moron and you want to quote someone, use the copy and paste function rather than trying to transcribe what the other person said . . . because you're clearly incapable of performing such a basic and simple task as transcription.
Other than that. thanks as ever for taking the time to be my secretary, Mistake edited.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 May 2020, 17:15
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18 May 2020, 17:15#14

Waaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha after botching a sentence about as badly as it can be botched, you latch onto the spelling of a name which can be  spelled both ways.


It’s “I” not “me” you  ignorant Welsh lush. That was the point which was being made and obviously completely escaped you. And it’s also customary to put yourself last, not first in the sentence, much as you would obviously like to do that.


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 May 2020, 17:53
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18 May 2020, 17:53#15

I have presented memes as fact? 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 May 2020, 18:58
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18 May 2020, 18:58#16
Man oh man, just how stupid is Moffie? 
Not picking up on the edit of I vs me (the pompous and deceitful twat will claim I edited it subsequently) and now claiming "Brycy" can be spelt two ways when it's the name of one of our posters who has only ever spelt it one way.
LMAO!
What a tit! Bet he'll pretend he hasn't got egg all over his fat smug face!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 May 2020, 20:24
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18 May 2020, 20:24#17

Oh you corrected your mistake after I pointed it out to you?  Jolly good, but try to do better in future Fat Man, I can’t always be there to  help.


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 May 2020, 22:15
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18 May 2020, 22:15#18
Posted by: Rooinek (10245 posts)

May 18, 2020, 15:05

I see . . . so when Brycy, Sharkbok and I post memes on here we're being very naughty because we're trying to present them as facts . . . but when you do the same thing then it's because they're hilarious and we should all be laughing our heads off.

Now, once again. Help me remember of an incident where I posted a meme suggesting that it is presented as fact, when it wasn’t a fact. 

Here is your meme containing “facts” which proved to be dodgy, at best.  


Posted by: Koos Kombuis (409 posts)

Sep 15, 2018, 19:17

There we go again . . .


"buh . . . buh . . . but what about Hillary?"
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 May 2020, 16:15
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22 May 2020, 16:15#19

Back to topic. 

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