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Omicron pushes UK back into lockdown until enough boosters distributed

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
09 Dec 2021, 00:00
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09 Dec 2021, 00:00#1

I didn't think another lockdown would happen. It has been around 6 months since the last restriction was removed. 

Hospitals had enough beds during Delta given the number of people vaccinated.
Prior to vaccines, it was bed space that forced most countries into lockdowns, to avoid people dying in the street. 

Delta was just running rife through the population, but deaths were low compared to the start of the pandemic. Now here we are, going back into lockdown. 

The early infection data in the UK looks the same as South Africa- this is by far the most infectious variant yet. Even if Omicron is less severe than Delta, the number of people getting it could fill up all the hospital beds.

My turbo-booster is scheduled in 2 weeks. Apparently, the antibody response from a third jab will help with Omicron. 
The best medical advice at this stage is to get boosted. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Dec 2021, 00:47
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09 Dec 2021, 00:47#2

 SB

So far the new variant showed only mild conditions far below the level  of the Delta variant - so why the fuss? .   

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
09 Dec 2021, 00:52
#3
09 Dec 2021, 00:52#3

Because South Africa has just doubled hospitalizations...
It is clearly still strong enough to put people in hospitals and take up bed space. 


Bloomberg.comSouth Africa's Covid Hospital Admissions More Than DoubleThe daily number of people admitted to hospital in South Africa with Covid-19 more than doubled on Tuesday from a day earlier..

1 day ago

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Dec 2021, 06:57
#4
09 Dec 2021, 06:57#4

And you believe the BS on a platter...

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
09 Dec 2021, 09:52
#5
09 Dec 2021, 09:52#5

It is not BS. Scientists from the UK and US have been in constant communication with their counterparts in South Africa

The last thing that Boris Johnston wanted to do was go back into lockdown. In South Africa, it may be an opportunity for the ANC to steal more, but that is not the case in most countries.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Dec 2021, 12:12
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09 Dec 2021, 12:12#6

SA doubled the number of patients - but they do not use oxygen treatment and hospital stays went down from an average of 8 days previously to an average of 2 days.as a result of the new variant.   Doubling the number of hospital patients from circa 8 000 to 16 000 is not justifying  screaming idiocy in the media.     Many of the people was discovered to be infected after admission to hospitals for other treatments - even for maternity purposes.    Talking about stealing more - concentrate on the USA.

By the way the number of active cases in the Hessequa Municipality went up from 3 active cases a week ago to 19 cases this week in an area with a populaion of 65 000 - huge panic measures obviously needed.    That is according to the media.  rank disastr.       In July the number of active cases in the said Municipality was 74.                    

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
09 Dec 2021, 15:02
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09 Dec 2021, 15:02#7

Provide sources CleverWanker, otherwise, it can only be assumed that you are creating the facts yourself. Pulling the data from your arse as usual. 


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Dec 2021, 22:16
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09 Dec 2021, 22:16#8

Snarkhole, Uncle Clever has at least 30 IQ points on you...minimum...he can do basic arithmetic...try to learn something from him for a change...he actually thinks and contextualize the data...you lap up all the BS they feed you...and there's good surf close to his neck of the woods. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
09 Dec 2021, 22:37
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09 Dec 2021, 22:37#9
The problem is Draad is that your herd lacks brains. So their BS is going to be even more BS. 

As much as you hate liberals, it does produce most of the smartest people. 
BTW, Jesus was a liberal. God (aka Alla h) is a far-right winger. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Dec 2021, 09:13
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10 Dec 2021, 09:13#10

Where did  Omicron originate - it has now been found in 57 countries after identified by real SA scientists?      In your brain dead seizures you should  apologize for that BS posting.    In the meantime scientific evidence indicates that you are talking BS 99% of the time. 

In other words scientific evaluation in SA is ignored by the political idiots in the USA and UK.  The effect of infection in this case indicates  a minor flu-like situation and is abused to represent something more serious than it really is.       

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Dec 2021, 09:28
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10 Dec 2021, 09:28#11

"As much as you hate liberals, it does produce most of the smartest people."

I don't hate anybody...and define liberal...I'm libertarian, probably much more liberal than you...you come across as an authoritarian socialist... that's not really liberal at all...and you're the last one to point fingers about the lack of brains. My herd is just fine...we've been surviving in a harsh environment for centuries, improving things for everyone in the process.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
10 Dec 2021, 09:56
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10 Dec 2021, 09:56#12

It's 2021 and Viskop is still unable to distinguish between liberalism, liberals and postmodern liberals.

I mean...30 points in generous, Draad.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Dec 2021, 10:33
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10 Dec 2021, 10:33#13

He figured out how to sell pop-ups

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SebPro2,680 posts
10 Dec 2021, 11:28
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10 Dec 2021, 11:28#14

LOL...Draad, Sharkie's life revolves around pop-ups...he eats, sleeps and breathes pop-ups so much so that he has become a Pop Up himself and it's infectious as there are a few of human pop ups here that have caught this disease. Whenever certain, words and topics are mentioned they predictabily "pop-up"...ie Christianity and God, Covid and vaccinations...poor ol'Sader also has it as did Redneck 

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
10 Dec 2021, 11:48
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10 Dec 2021, 11:48#15

Draad, religions all think they are God's master race, and only they go to heaven. Each religion has a picture of God that is their own race. 

As Jesus explained in the parable of the good Samaritan, it would be absurd to use someone's "loose" association with a particular religion as the basis of an afterlife, or moral superiority. 

Christianity - only Christians go to heaven.

Judaism - Jesus was not the real son of God, only a prophet. When the true son of God arrives, he will make Jews the rightful Kings of the world.

Muslim - All people should be converted to Muslims on earth, or they should be killed. They will not go to heaven, but they should also not be allowed to live if they do not convert to Muslim. 

Anyone that believes this type of stuff lacks emotional intelligence, let alone logical thinking ability- and are more akin to a Nazi. 

Religious people can see the hypocrisy of other religions, except their own. Yet they want people to tolerate their intolerance. Democratic people don't have to tolerate intolerance to be tolerant. 

You don't understand Jesus because like most religious people you are trapped in the values of the Old Testament which is basically Arabs and Jews sacrificing each other, thinking that "their" God controls everything. 
The Middle East has been arguing over the promised land since the original lie. 

Religious people are not Democratic people. It is a moral and value system that is beyond their capability, and instead, they use religion as a crutch.
As religion fades out of the 21st century in Western society, most religious people make up the below-average IQ. (Like Trump's base). This is particularly true with younger generations who embrace logic and science, instead of blind faith. 



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Dec 2021, 12:35
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10 Dec 2021, 12:35#16

"Draad, religions all think they are God's master race, and only they go to heaven. Each religion has a picture of God that is their own race."

That's particularly true of yourself and your religious like belief in Science. You don't have a clue about science...you just believe the "priests"...you have faith in science. You haven't got a clue about Christianity either...many Christians too...They don't understand everything, but they have faith...as for below-average IQ...you should rather close your trap on that...


PS...I'ts not about Heaven or the afterlife, rather about how you live...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Dec 2021, 15:43
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10 Dec 2021, 15:43#17

This started because SB is a fake media addict,   He believe all the lies and BS they spout and then gave as factual/    How many times has he been totally wrong and then slightly change the  on site topic to religion.    Religion on fact has nothing to do  with the issue.   It is political and things like Covid and climate change are driving the move to a One-World government and destruction of democracy.

If we look at the people who have refused vaccination - the wild claim you made are based on junk and not proven fact at all.   When confronted by facts you jump tp religion as the evil tht is destroying everything,   . 70% have already been vaccinated - but two important political classification  supporting the  D emocrats - the Blacks have not reached the 50& level abd the Hispanics are stuck under 60%.    That been the case are those two groups "rednecks" too?

 

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
10 Dec 2021, 15:47
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10 Dec 2021, 15:47#18

@CleverWanker,
A redneck is a white person. However any other people from other races that are too stupid to be vaccinated, are the equivalent of a red neck. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Dec 2021, 17:56
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10 Dec 2021, 17:56#19

Idiot Supreme dimness of massive scale on display.     No wonder it comes from a "Soutpiel",   The fact is that since none of Boden's mandates are legal  and constitutional the idiot continues with his saga.   I think there are more people who refuse vaccination since nothing China Joe Biden claim is scientifically-based is in fact based on  science and came directly from Wuhan Faucci.              

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
10 Dec 2021, 19:53
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10 Dec 2021, 19:53#20
Fishnuts I remember when I was 16 and it was fashionable to talk about the impossibility of the existence of a God. I remember how special, unique and rebellious I thought myself to be as I poked holes in religious dogma. I didn’t yet know what passé was…nor that I was the living embodiment of it, while believing I was the exact opposite. Then I became an adult and the more I learned about the world, the more I realised how little I knew. That graph just keeps heading in one direction. The older I get the more potential I see. How foolish to place limitations on a universe when my mind holds within it only the finest of tiny fractions of the information that exists. Then I grew up more and gained some emotional intelligence, understanding that religion offers people more than I ever could. Some get comfort in believing that they’ll see children that they lost in heaven again one day. Some read a bible and have a moment of clarity, after which they lean heavily on religious teachings to continue on a better, healthier and safer path through life. On and on, there are countless answers, comforts, direction and meaning that religion offers to people. What an absolute twat I would be in judging someone for wanting to feel better about their origin, existence and future. My guess is that none of these thoughts have ever crossed your mind, VisKop. You, like a 16 year-old, probably don’t think things through in a way that most civil and decent adults would. Tell me, do you know what religion means to the religious people on this board and why, in each individual case it means so much to them? You don’t know, neither do I. I guess that once you fully grow up, you understand that it is never your place to question someone else’s spirituality because it is their own personal and unique experience, as valuable to them as what you consider your own experiences and beliefs to be. One day you’ll grow up too, VisKop.
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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
10 Dec 2021, 20:22
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10 Dec 2021, 20:22#21

Many people find "purpose" in their lives, but each day less find this through religion. 
It is being phased out of mainstream culture and forming an alternative conspiratorial reality. 

The Middle East find purpose through religion, and they have been at war for the last 5,000 years or however long the Moses promised land story existed.

Christians are free to criticize other religions, even those that are other Christian sects. 
Christians reject Muslim faiths (although who can blame them in that instance). 

Being religious means not accepting other religions.   (As the example I provided above shows)
It is having a belief system that there is one God and one religion and therefore all others must be wrong. Baal worshippers... (There is only one true God etc, Good vs Evil, etc). 
Believing in something does not make it true, even if there is the gratification from fooling oneself. 

So, to paint religious people as open-minded and tolerant is far-fetched. They have actually become increasingly militant as they see their ideology faze out of society. 

What do most anti-vaxxers have in common? They are religious...
They can't see that the vaccine is safer than Covid- even though the data shows the chances of death are much lower if vaccinated. 

So, the purpose they find from religion is deceiving them. It is not improving them, so it cant be the word of "a" God because it is wrong. 
Covid is one example that proves religion is not giving a sensible purpose. 

Evolution happened, which proves the Garden of Eden story is just a childish tale, not based on facts- and therefore not written by "a" God. 
Antitheists also have their own belief system, which Christians of course rejected. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Dec 2021, 20:23
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10 Dec 2021, 20:23#22

"One day you’ll grow up too, VisKop"

I don't think so. He's too far up his own arse to stand back and see the bigger picture...always focusing on the perceived negatives of things he don't grasp in the first place...he is willingly ignorant because he refuse to think for himself.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Dec 2021, 20:41
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10 Dec 2021, 20:41#23

"South Africa records fewer severe Covid cases in Omicron wave

Health minister urges caution after data suggest the new variant is causing milder disease

People queue to be vaccinated against Covid in South Africa

People queue to be vaccinated against Covid. Relatively high rates of older South Africans have received jabs in recent months even though only just over a third of all adults in the country are double vaccinated © Shiraaz Mohamed/AP

   

December 10, 2021 3:58 pm by Joseph Cotterill in Johannesburg, and John-Burn Murdoch and Oliver Barnes in London

South Africa has recorded fewer severe cases in the Omicron wave of coronavirus infections sweeping the country’s economic hub compared to earlier in the pandemic, according to the latest data, although the health minister said it remained early days for assessing the variant’s severity.


Just under a third of Covid patients in hospital in Tshwane, the centre of the country’s Omicron outbreak, needed specialist care or spent time in an intensive care unit in the past 25 days, compared with two-thirds in two previous waves this year, South Africa’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases said on Friday.


Four per cent of patients died, compared with a fifth in the other waves of infection, according to the data.


South Africa has a large number of prior infections from the past waves, and relatively high rates of older South Africans have been jabbed in recent months, even though only just over a third of all adults are double vaccinated.


South African scientists believe that both have been factors in limiting Omicron’s impact so far. Although initial studies suggest Omicron reduces antibody protection from vaccination or prior infection, experts are optimistic that immune defences against severe illness will be maintained.


But they have also cautioned that it will still take time to gauge the full impact of Omicron on hospitalisations because it has spread much faster than the other two variant-driven waves.


Chart showing the share of Covid patients requiring acute or intensive care

South Africa’s seven-day average of new daily cases has risen about forty-fold since the middle of November, to about 13,000 a day.


“It must be noted that severity data has several limitations at the early phase of a wave, where the numbers are small”, and because many Covid-19 patients were only found with the virus after being admitted for something else, health minister Joe Phaahla said in a briefing on Friday.


It’s early days, but there are promising signs that largely patients, even those who are in hospital, are mild and many of them are incidental,” he added.


In recent weeks the over-60s have risen to more than 16 per cent of total admissions, from under 14 per cent, while admissions of children under five have fallen from 14 per cent to 7 per cent, according to data released on Friday.


Chart showing that Gauteng’s Omicron wave has lower rates of hospitalisation and death than past waves

Dr Harsha Somaroo, president of the Public Health Association of South Africa, said the emerging hospital data from the country was “reassuring”.


“The early findings suggest that [Omicron] might be milder,” said Somaroo. “In Gauteng, there is a higher level of existing immunity because we had a very intense third wave. That, coupled with immunity from vaccination, could account for some of that positive picture.”


But Somaroo stressed that “we can’t be complacent” despite reports from hospital wards indicating that length of stays are shorter, ICU admissions are less common and fewer patients are on supplementary oxygen.


Those who have had a prior infection or vaccination are not likely to have severe disease,” said Dr Fareed Abdullah, director of Aids and TB research at the South African Medical Research Council.


But for the unvaccinated without prior infection, “the health service needs to prepare for another deluge of sick patients some of whom will be Sars-Cov-2 incidental, some of whom will have moderate disease and some of whom will have severe disease”, he said.



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