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Pink Floyd founder speaks on western media control of propaganda.

Started by Seb13 REPLIES682 VIEWS· 03 Feb 2022, 08:29
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SebPro2,680 posts
03 Feb 2022, 08:29
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03 Feb 2022, 08:29#1

Interesting fellow, Roger Waters, something you don't expect from a rock group founder...amazing insights which are true and fully agree...no question.


https://youtu.be/-U2S3t0a63U


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Feb 2022, 10:11
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03 Feb 2022, 10:11#2

The problem is the media is an enemy of freedom of speech.    They believe that anybody who dare to oppose their viewpoints should be banned and should be boycotted.   We are living in a dangerous world with  key cornerstones of Democracy under attack by the so-called liberals.   

Nobody dare to differ from their points of view  and even when Democ rats oppose Biden they go on a hate campaign.   Gone are the days when people could criticize the Government - if you dare to do so now you are called a domestic terrorist, a racist or traitor.

 Media outlets have been bought out by a few ultrarich owners and those owners prescribe what is news - while  turning media outlets to become propaganda tools.          

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
03 Feb 2022, 15:04
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03 Feb 2022, 15:04#3
A mainstream reality and mainstream media will always exist.
However it will change, just like how the values of left and right-wing will change.

Have you ever considered that Western Media control of propaganda has always existed? That the only difference now, is that it is less Christian?

Therefore Christians no longer had the advantage like they did when it was more mainstream? Suddenly they are the declining minority, and they are slipping out of mainstream relevance. 

It is a tough time for a faith-based reality, as we have seen during Covid where they lack the trust in man to take the vaccine. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Feb 2022, 18:39
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03 Feb 2022, 18:39#4

Media propaganda always existed but then it was not causing mayhem like it does now.   The difference always came from political or warmongering perspective.   

The story of the Cold War was vastly different from what it is now.   From WW2 to 1991 - when Communists were in charge in the USSR the propaganda entails much about religious oppression and it still is iro North Korea.    At present it has an anti-religion flavor insofar as Russia is concerned and the main anti Russian propaganda stemmed from lies dreamed up by the Democratic Party.    So for the last 6 years propaganda started based on lies and distortions.  

In the main propaganda is at present based on  conspiracy theories - but at present it goes further it is totally obsessed with the ideas the media are paid to propagate.   In fact 92%   of the US population distrust the media and not everything they come up with can influence only a minority of people.

Unlike in the past in democratic countries there always were some political point-scoring  amongst media outlets - but the present scenario is at present more like people find in dictatorial states than in democracies. - so that is the difference.   Previously it was not aimed at brainwashing - it was not that refined - at present the Goebbels method is used - ie if a lie is repeated often enough people may just believe it.

The only other issue that is found nowadays is suppression of real news in a desperate effort to please their owners and funders.    They have some success with it - their conspiracy theories are never banned - why Hightech  ban everything that sound remotely like criticism of the communist regime in China for instance - eg the origins of the Covid virus.     

Christianity  has zero to do with the issue - so try to think objectively about issues.        

   

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Feb 2022, 11:32
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04 Feb 2022, 11:32#5
Careful now VisKop You might have two half-pints of Stella, incur a moment of clarity…and run to Jesus. You know that happens when your blood alcohol level is 99 000 000%(I worked this out via your previously memorable example). No stress, far as I can tell, you can become a Christian while being horrible at math. They’re cool like that. Doesn’t matter if you’re ugly either. Now when last did you have a double win like that?
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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
04 Feb 2022, 12:49
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04 Feb 2022, 12:49#6

ButtPlug, how are conservative values doing on planet Meton? 

The reality is that if someone is too far right, or too far left they are not going to be happy in the world. Change is often good, but the extreme far-right cant appreciate the good stuff, and only focus on the negatives. 


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SebPro2,680 posts
04 Feb 2022, 16:05
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04 Feb 2022, 16:05#7

Some people have the desire for truth and fairness, others lying is par for the course and don't care in the slightest as long as it's fits in with the way that they want it. 

Lying is something that never worries them. CNN is just one of the many...Roger Waters includes all media in USA, UK... right wing, left wing and middle road and from I can see he's spot on.

They are bent in fabricating stories, never LISTEN to their adversary's side and start a fake and unwinnable war yet again...Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and still it never ceases. But the gullible still believe in Hollywood, Disneyland and what USA government misrepresents.

Russia is NOT going to invade Ukraine...period. All they asking for is the halting of security threats on their borders...they are justified just in the same way USA would not like missile bases built in close promixity to their boundaries...that's all. Nato since Minsk agreement has NOT kept their word and has increasingly wooed ex Eastern Block countries to join west ,south and north sides to encroach on Russian boundaries. Russia has repeatedly wanted peace and friendship with America but with the understanding they respect each others way of life and boundaries. Live and let live. It's that simple.

Now we have all this total nonsense.

Washington gets grilled over Russia ‘false flag’ claims (VIDEO) — RT Russia & Former Soviet Un ion


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Feb 2022, 16:33
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04 Feb 2022, 16:33#8

SB

In the USA the good things are inflation, Shortages of merchandise, open borders, law and order undermining and virtual daily  attacks on the US Constitution.    I think that the present scenario is driving the leftist media crazy - everything they come up with is weird,   But the fake media that you believe in is trying to paint a false picture and you are a big enopugh sucker to fall for it.         

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Feb 2022, 17:07
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04 Feb 2022, 17:07#9

Seb

This sounds more and more like the "weapons of mass destruction" lies of the  Bush administration  in which they used an expert liar Mueller to convince Senate to approve the war with Iraq.   

The story sounds weird too - Russia is a vast country covering about one sixth of the worlds total land area.   They obviously has a large army as well.   So where would under normal circumstances the army be stationed?   Obviously along their border areas - especially in the case of Ukraine - which is and has been a hotbed of political extremism for the past 80 years.   For instance in WW2 the Ukraine extremists supported Hitler in his attack on Russia.   The 2014 civil war has not really ended and here is a tense situation on temporary border that has been established  after the said Civil War.

There is a major problem in the unsettled world at present.   The Biden Administration in the USA is unpopular and incompetent.- a dangerous combination at best.   In Germany there is a coalition of unstable nature in Government  with one centrist  Party and two ultra-leftwing parties and they fear they may be ousted sooner rather than later.

France is facing a presidential  election in April and nobody knows what the outcome would be.  

A false war or propaganda about coming wars may just scare people into fear and voting to present a united front against perceived enemies stemming from endless propaganda.  The real danger in the world of today is China - but they have the US leadership in a vice grip due to corruption - so the media says nothing about that threat,   .           . .    .


    

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Feb 2022, 21:20
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04 Feb 2022, 21:20#10
Lol, the only “extreme” here is your extreme inability to understand the word extreme. Think about what extreme means. It’s a polar end…like you cannot go further. The people that you are referring to as extreme are not anywhere near the end of their side of the spectrum. Well done numpty, we now need a word to denote groups that are actually extreme. Aah, wait that’s the point, isn’t it? Giving people a label that is a complete exaggeration of their political leaning…because then you create tribes. And tribes need leaders…and tribes are much better for business algorithms because when you’re pissed off you click a lot more and engage for longer…REVENUE. I’m seriously at a loss with you sometimes. How is it possible that you can’t see this stuff for what it is? Especially since it’s your industry. I dunno, perhaps you’re a method marketer.
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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
04 Feb 2022, 22:45
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04 Feb 2022, 22:45#11

I am not sure how to respond to that gibberish ButtPlug

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SebPro2,680 posts
05 Feb 2022, 00:47
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05 Feb 2022, 00:47#12

Yes Mike the weapons of mass destruction was a lying fabrication, which most believed at the time...just a sad reminder what lengths of dishonesty Washington will go to to achieve their clandestine and evil objectives. 

There is a pic of Bush with his generals in I raq peering through his field glasses with the protection caps still in place...looking for, I surmise for the these fictional inventions. Ofcourse it did not matter, they were hell bent in fooling the gullible world with this bullshit.

The same with the Ukraine saga...imaginary.

Probably more than half the world believes them but ironically the Ukrainians don't. The two nations are intermingled in similar cultures...it's a case of better the devil we know than the other devil we don't.

Some call it a stalemate but I think it's more of a checkmate.

Russia is very serious about it's fair demand (exactly what any other world power would demand too especially Washington). Why it thinks such terms are unreasonable...pure hypocrisy.

I believe this is very clear...what is the problem?

What Washington does not seem to get is that Putin's contingency plan (we know he always has one) might well strengthen ties with China...something I believe is not good but leaves no alternative.

Russians, really don't like the Chinese because of many cultural differences.

What America needs to do is to make closer ties with Russia and build respect and trust...don't lie to them.  Starting propaganda, makes bridges which could be built virtually impossible and start another Cold War. USA must stop poking their ugly snout into other countries affairs...get their own house in order...shit what the hell are they doing in Europe. It's none of their business.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
05 Feb 2022, 02:04
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05 Feb 2022, 02:04#13
Here, I’ll simplify Big business creates the idea that normal people are “extremists/racists/sexists/homophobes”. They do this because AI and algorithms have helped determine that when you are pissed off you will stay engaged on their sites for longer and watch more of their media. It’s more likely that you’ll be more pissed off, both in severity and duration, at extremists than normal people that simply have a different political view to yours. So there is an incentive to label average people as extremists, etc. This is well documented and a phenomenon for which legislation is currently being drafted in order to stem the negative outcomes. It came about because AI doesn’t give a shyte about social cohesion. It’s job is to keep you engaged and in front of your screen because that’s what generates revenue. It’s the same for the shit about how all of the world is racist, homophobic, sexist…on and on. Because if you believe it then you’re pissed off and engage with content and for longer. If you don’t believe it then you’re pissed off at the accusation and you engage with opposing content…for longer. And so both tribes keep clicking away. Perhaps watch some interviews with the creators of The Social Dilemma. Here is a short snippet. You might find it interesting. It addresses exactly what I mentioned here… https://youtube.com/watch?v=eq_gaazINkA
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SebPro2,680 posts
18 Feb 2022, 06:52
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18 Feb 2022, 06:52#14

Musk :

While reiterating his fears, Musk included that he believes that artificial intelligence can elicit the next world war and would come out to dominate the world. He also warns that those intelligent AI would become everlasting authoritarians from which the world could never escape.22 Apr 2021

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