Please Stav - I have a question for you

I saw some statements of UK and European media outlets about a major politial shift in the UK and Germany, According to the polls the following seem to indicate there are a shift of a major nature in those to coutries:-

UK

Reform = 33%

Labour = 18%

Con = 17%

GERMANY

AfD = 26%

CDA = 25%

SDP = 15%

In Germany the situation since WW2 resulted in the formation of the CDU (and their couterpart the CSU in Bavaria( and a few years later the SDU and in the 1990's.th Geens. The fact is that the CDU ruled in Germany for most of the time and when not the SDU were in charge, The older people are set vey much in their politrical viewpoints have no changed much over the years

However, my question to you is why do you believe are going on in politics in Europe? Why are people seeminly moving to the right politically? Secondly where does the voters comng from eg present political opinion and age categories etc.

What is going on is what is going on in any liberal country. Liberalism is a political system of government based on representation. Everyone must have a representative yet people are more or less represented and what matters the most, segments of population are not supposed to be represented for the rest to work. Everyone has a representative, different degrees in being represented going to down to zero (the woke movement and the hysteric reaction to it is based on it, woke people movement usually are people who are not supposed to be represented, sticking their head out and as by doing that, disturbing the system.)

It is improper to speak a political shift among voters (demand), there is a political shift in the political offer (representatives) When assessed in terms of actual representation, liberal societies work properly for 15 per cent to 35 per cent of the population. Liberalism does not govern through majority. Now liberalism is based on the consent of the governed so this larger minority must acquire the consent of other segments of population through bargains, bribing people by providing them with goodies.

Historically, liberalism has much affinity with anything fascist, Nazi which are the closest political government system to liberalism. As shown by prior events, liberal countries lean toward fascism in occurrences, which is the case today. A solution that matches the wants of the core minority that governs. Now it does not suit a larger segment of the population on the very contrary. So a strategy is to destroy any attempt to an alternate political offer. Additionally, the elements that were used to stay away from fascist solutions are no longer available to representatives. They do not know how to provide stuff that could bribe voters out of fascist solutions. They no longer have the resources. So representatives have shifted toward fascism, any voter who rejects fascism is going to be ostracized and remains to be seen what goodies representatives are going to find in order to bribe the large segment of population that has no core interest in fascism but is ready to turn the eyes away in exchange of a brown envelope.

Taiwan's latest elections have provided a very fine example of the liberal political system at work. This is what is happening in Europe, voters have not shifted, on the contrary, they cling to goodies they used to get in order to buy their docility, except it is no longer possible to provide them with the said goodies. So the political offer has changed, in order to restrict options and serve the core minority that governs in a liberal country.

This is down to 2 reasons:

1. Irregular Immigration
2. Economic stagnation, like slow wage growth.

People are sick of the status quo. This is not just about left/right - it is about being sick of the mainstream politicians. They are voting for alternatives (e.g. Reform UK or Alternative for Germany).

Immigration is why the Far-right are the flavour of the month. If they were to get into power, they would fix immigration, but probably be a disaster at everything else.

It is possible that a far-left wing party would arise that would not be the liberal woke versions that we have now, but more extreme populists.

I appreciate your imput. In essense I agree with you on aspects mentioned with a difference that there are other issues as well from reading in the media and opinion polls, etc I find that there is another issue that will influence future political trends so I would appreciate your commentsas well:-

Age Factor impact on future elections

For the past century the way of life - a type of class diference as well. So in the period since WW2 there were in the UK - Conservative and Labour Parties wih minor parties split votes and was frowned upon. So people coming from WW2 onwards basically sticking to their favourite parties their whole life long, But these people are dying and the younger generations knew very little about what actual impact the War. Wha t they now is what parents tell their children - but 80 years make these issues appear less important

In an opinion poll in Germany it was found that the 18 to 25 category the Party supported by substantial interviews. When asked why they support the AfD are destruion of German cutture and way of life - but another comment is also important. The issue was a general sentiment of younger people as to the issue abd blamed for actions of their great grandfathers. Another one tied into your comments - fear for safety where vehicle usage led to use a vehcle to kill the maximum number of people is an example.

Political Divide

You write about ultraleft and right political Parties But there is a problem and that is why the press is prodded by the main political parties to classify party orientation. What the media or existing political leadership want is a negative description of new parties - irrepective of reality, So you claim the Rpublican Party to be rightwing - while their real beliefs are centrist in nature. They cannot be otherwise since their support base is the middle and working class people.

In the case of the Reform Party their main support base is in areas where the Labour Party won the election, but got lost as to financial and political issues and the working class cannot get away from labour fast enough,

In Germany the situation is that the AfD is about equal to the Bavarian wing of the SDU at present in charge and both are equally oppossed to immigration. for the rest the party is center right in outlook, or the rest their main block of support is well-educated people who fear the present parties are not solving anything while things got worse by the day.

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I would be more worried about the AFD. Meloni of Italy hardly seems far-right, other than on irregular immigration.

Farage is more concerned with getting rich than with social issues.

AFD looks like the closest thing to the Nazi's, since the Nazi's. The best since Gerber.

Where did you get that story from about the AfD. Dio you think the reason is t fact that the last to Govenments have added to the vows of the German voters, So is the Bavarian wing of the Ger,m Gvernin g paty not to blame for the disaster Germany in at present, There is n difference between the policies of the Baavarian Party wing and the AfD at all - so much so that the AfD does not nominate candidates in Bavaria and spport the CSU wing of the Govnng Party, Without that support the CDU would be tickets and the Germn Governing parties realizes it.

In fact 90% of the AfD policies aimed at democratic government not facist, solcialist and communist policies, Tghe only issue they dife from the CSU is the ssue of memebrship of the EU

Another issue s that after the least election Volkswagen fired 20 000 workers in Bavaria and if an eelction was held toda Merx;z party would eb dead as well. Worse than the Socialists are fairing at present and the Greens will also be in shit because the crazy ideas of the EU 'little men in suits" Mozart calls them are soon going to be jobless,

Apparently, she is a lesbian who lives with a Sri Lankan woman. She spends most of her time in Switzerland.

So noow you se hes ex angle as a appon to fight issues poitically. You will be banned by really comin g th that issue, It is just anoher case that I read about in the media as well, Yor comments on that one will drive you out o f the Woke Culture used by the elftists to promote there causes.

It is a at hat the elader of he Paty has dual S iss and German stuationship and that s not he issue at all, Wahta ae the ssues is a rapidly declinig standard of living by German people and the destruction of Geman culture by especially the ultra-left Greens. That is why Germany has been in a recession for three years running and at least 17% of the German voters are sck and tired of Wokist policies that contribute to economic decline. They destroyed he vehicle industry - the backbone of the German vehicle industry.

The fact is decline in licving standards has a close link to the Ukraine War and why Merx is now in line with the idea of Trump about trying to stop the War through negotiation. He was a hardline supporter of the War in Ukraine - but suddenly found out the Germans do not want a war against Russia. Incidentally the only real supporters of a War against Russia in Germany are the Green Wokists,

As to the case in the UK I do not know enouh about Farage to say he is similar to the actions of the Biden crime family, The only thing I know is that the UK banking sector were an effot to close his bank account closing for politcal reasons and it was clear it was done by the Conservatives at the time. I did not gt the impression hat he was rich at all. At least the Banks did reported the Biden money-laundering scheme to the FBI - but the FBI refised to investigate it w hen Wray was Director. Has any money-laundeing or corruption byFarage been reported to the Police? B he way I ca nnot think of any politician who is not in politics oth through money o egalom,ania.

Trump does not need money from politics and hate the wole culture of the Democrats and wants peace in the world for th e ebnfit of the people - who make his drive to change the ssituation in the USA.and that cause him to try and settle the Ukraine Wr through negotiation. His whole apprach is A merica First and that is why he was electd as President and that accounts for the leftist media hatred of him.

Personally I do not think Trump is a likeable person at all - but his effort to get an operaional economy in place ultimately will benefit the ordinary people in the USA. By the way he has commissioned a review of Etension of the WH pad for by his salary he gets from the Government and .ultamtely undertook the cosntruction of the building to be paid for by him personally. What make it more expensive is the design must fit in with the present design - which will make it a very expensive conmstruction project.

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DumbMIke, I am merely pointing out that she is not the standard far-right.

1. She is a woman
2. She is a lesbian
3. She has a relationship with a non-white (indian).

It is usually the far right that criticise this, so it's just a bit of a surprise if anything else

...because having common sense these days is considered being far right-wing Nazi...

...because having common sense these days is considered being far right-wing Nazi...

Yeah, it's been that way for quite a while now....

SB

It started off in Austria when a new Government called far-right was elected six years ago consisting of center ri gh t parties and evey meda outlet screamed he NAZI's has taken over the Govenment in Austria but no Nazism showed up. They started governing Austria on a common-sense basis, and the country's economy a booming. No more ultr-left green shit etc. The media also hates the Hungarian PM for refusing to allow in more migrants into the ountry and follow a center -right path in Government. So imaginary BS is dished up in the media anyway The latest case was Italy.

Any person who puts the interest of the country and its people first and refuse to accept the rules of leftist BS to hate your own country is unacceptabe to the media. That is why the leftist media hate Trump so much - he is a man of his word and honesty about policies is not acceptable to the leftist media.

That is where you get your info from - since the media kept quiet about anything positive done by Trump and you believe the BS.

...because having common sense these days is considered being far right-wing Nazi...

If liberals had use for common sense, it would be known by now...

If liberals had use for common sense, it would be known by now...

Same can be said about your intelligence

ouTrad, is an awake a woke a liberali ?

Commie scum and racist bigot to boot.