Prigozhin

‘ On the tarmac of a Moscow airport in late August, Yevgeny Prigozhin waited on his Embraer Legacy 600 for a safety check to finish before it could take off. The mercenary army chief was headed home to St. Petersburg with nine others onboard. Through the delay, no one inside the cabin noticed the small explosive device slipped under the wing.

When the jet finally left, it climbed for about 30 minutes to 28,000 feet, before the wing blew apart, sending the aircraft spiraling to the ground. All 10 people were killed, including Prigozhin, the owner of the Wagner paramilitary group.

The assassination of the warlord was two months in the making and approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s oldest ally and confidant, an ex-spy named Nikolai Patrushev, according to Western intelligence officials and a former Russian intelligence officer. The role of Patrushev as the driver of the plan to kill Prigozhin hasn’t been previously reported.  

The Kremlin has denied involvement in Prigozhin’s death, and Putin offered the closest thing to an official explanation for the plane’s fiery crash, suggesting a hand grenade had detonated onboard.

None of that was true. 

Hours after the incident, a European involved in intelligence gathering who maintained a backchannel of communication with the Kremlin and saw news of the crash asked an official there what had happened.

“He had to be removed,” the Kremlin official responded without hesitation.’

truly bizarre chain of events...real life drama...what was he thinking marching on Moscow??? Vodka...

Where did  you, get that fom Mozart?     There wa an Internaqtional Airways investigation of the accident and that sh ould have determined wh at cxause the accident of the Brazili.an made aircxaft.   The company involved was also inv ov led in the investigation of the accident.

It would be interesting  tos ee the source of the above story.- so please provide it.         

Or he was already dead, and the aeroplane crash was staged to be open-ended (E.g. conspiracy or natural death).

If he had just disappeared, it would have been more closed-ended (e.g. the only option was murdered for treason). 

The West's media may be corrupt- but it at least it has some freedom of the press. So if the left, centre and right are saying something, it will be far more reliable than the Russian Times.
The RT is the Gospel for DumbMike and the Russian Mail order bride. (Who incidentally has also disappeared again). 

 Shit man - there were nine people killed and Prigoshan and hsi assistant was two of those.    If h was deaqd the oth er 9 eple would have noted it.     I th ink it is time you start reaqding  media reports in Russian mdia criticizing  the Government. before you came up with statements like that.   What you yelpd about now is wh at happened under th e USSR Communists and that propaganda is stil found in western media. I read up  on the issue and found that compared to what  is ha ppening  in for instance in the USA are freer than what propaganda gbive ouit in the west.   The  FBI, the CIA and the WH and the Department of Homeland Security meet weekly wth the media and internet plplatfrms to discuss issues they want banned in the media and the internet platforms and the emdia comply with their instructions.   

That represents the worst form of cnsoship in coutries an the fact is it is unconstitutional as well..    .   .    .   .   .   .     .           

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I read up  on the issue and found that compared to what  is ha ppening  in for instance in the USA are freer than what propaganda gbive ouit in the west.  

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And you are able to discern the quality of media sources?

Yes Mike can discern the quality of the media….if they support his right wing conspiracy view points they are credible. If they are balanced they are Western  propaganda. 

He honestly believes the Russian media is freer than Western media

What needs to be said about this incident is 9 other people died. So you can make case that Prighozin acted the traitor’s part and would be subject to a death sentence in many countries. You could argue other close supporters may have been culpable in the insurrection….but what of the pilots and the two hostesses. Are they animals to be killed?

The fact that these other lives counted for so little tells you everything you need to know about the difference with the West.

Mozart

I asked you a simple question - where did you gvet the article you obviously quoted from? 

Do you deny that th e FBI, CIA, the WCH and other agencies had weekly meetings to decide on which news items should be censored in the USA.   Musk exposed the BS since it is unconstitutional and lad toc ensorship of news by the Govenment.

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Wallstreet Journal is the source.
https://politicalwire.com/2023/12/22/how-putins-right-hand-man-took-out-prigozhin/

My advice to you is stay away from that BS Rag  - that paper is even worse liars than CNN are and that take some doing. .   .   

So DumbMike, can you tell us what actually happen to Prigozhin? And can you provide media sources for this, or were you actually on the plane at the time with a parachute?

The Wall Street Journal ranks 4th in trust in the States, behind the Weather Channel, the Public Broadcasting Channel and the BBC and  Clever’s  preferred source, Fox News ranks 35th just behind CNN.

But he calls this last bastion of balanced reporting a ‘rag’. This old fool’s arrogance is only surpassed by his ignorance….which in turn is best highlighted by his complete inability  to comprehend reading material. This is just another example.

Mozart

The two stories of the Wall  Street Journal you quoted as coming  froma History Professor  aws total BS.   He came that the area making up the rpesent day Ukraine became part of  Russia whe Peter the Great ruled in Russia,    It wsa total historic BS.   Peter the great became joint Tsar with his half-brother became Tsar in 1085 and ruled together unil 1696 when hsi fhalfbrother died and h became sole ruler.

from the time when the Golden Hoard was defeated and disintegraed in 1472 the present area of Ukraine was truled by  the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth and by the Ciaea Sultinate.   Most of the area was pde-populated because of enslaving of people.   In 1667 18 years before Peter thr Great became joint Tsar with his half-borther.   His half-brothr died in 1696 and Peter th gReat became sole emperor of Russia in 1696,and ruled Russia until 1725 when eh died.        

 Cosacks under theii own hetmen atatcked and occupied Kievin 1667  and a small area aound Kiev and Chernogov became Part of Russia - the presnet Western Ukraine reained as part of the Polish -Lithuanian Commenwealth that eatern Ukraine remained part of the Crimea Sultinate,      In 1669 it was agred to take over control of that area occupied by the Cossaks.

The situation remained unchanged  until 1772 after the what is today Eatern Ukraine  became part of Russia aftr the Russian army conwuired the area and the Crimea.  In 1774 the Holy Roman Empre , Rusia and Priussia signed agreement to dissvolve the Polish-Lithuania Cmon wand to allocatedterritories to Russia. The Holy Roman Empire and Priussia divided Poland amongst themkselves with Russia getting part of the area becoming of those aea ging to th e Holy Roman Empire and the rest to Russia.  What is today Eastern Ukraine was never part of ukraine - it was never part of Uklraine before was Russian.   any country othe than the Criman Sultnate .    Did you see anything involving Peter the Great in the above?   Maybe the only Empress invovled was C athine the Great.   Once that is understood any history Profesor who write BS tturns the Wall Street Journal a rag publishing  BS.  

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Mozart

The two stories of the Wall  Street Journal you quoted as coming  froma History Professor  aws total BS.   He came that the area making up the rpesent day Ukraine became part of  Russia whe Peter the Great ruled in Russia,    It wsa total historic BS.   Peter the great became joint Tsar with his half-brother became Tsar in 1085 and ruled together unil 1696 when hsi fhalfbrother died and h became sole ruler.

from the time when the Golden Hoard was defeated and disintegraed in 1472 the present area of Ukraine was truled by  the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth and by the Crimea Sultinate.   Most of the area was de-populated because of enslaving of people.   In 1667 18 years before Peter thr Great became joint Tsar with his half-borther.   His half-brothr died in 1696 and Peter the Great became sole emperor of Russia in 1696,and ruled Russia until 1725 when he died.        

 Cosacks under their own hetmans attacked and occupied Kiev in 1667  and a small area aound Kiev and Chernogov became Part of Russia - the presnet Western Ukraine reained as part of the Polish -Lithuanian Commenwealth that eatern Ukraine remained part of the Crimea Sultinate,      In 1669 it was agred to take over control of that area occupied by the Cossaks.

The situation remained unchanged  until 1772 after the what is today Eatern Ukraine  became part of Russia after the Russian army conquered the area and the Crimea.  In 1774 the Holy Roman Empre , Rusia and Priussia signed agreement to dissvolve the Polish-Lithuania Commonwealth and to allocate territories to Russia. The Holy Roman Empire and Priussia divided Poland amongst themkselves with Russia getting part of the area becoming of those aea ging to the Holy Roman Empire and the rest to Russia.  What is today Eastern Ukraine was never part of ukraine - it was never part of Ukraine beforew.   Any country of the than the Crimea Sultnate .   Did you see anything involving Peter the Great in the above?   Maybe the only Empress invovled was Catherine the Great 50 years after the dxeath of Peter the Great.    Once that is understood any history Profesor who write BS turns the Wall Street Journal a rag publishing  BS spreadcing false anti- Russian propaganda.

The second cnspiracy theory story about somebodxy had a friend who knows a Russian working  in the Kremlin - but thn the Russians are sub-humans who will not monitor calls of workers in the Kremlin.  By the way th e Kremlin has no operating  staff other than a few guards at the entrance and some museums and  palaces and international conference centers.   There are no administrative or other staff  in the Kremlin - it is purely a park areas with palaces and museunms visited by millions of tourists and not used for other purposes at all.   Was this a story coming from a museum tour guide or what.    The main administatie building  where Putin and other leaders operate is a high rise building  called he White House at least 5 kilom,eters from the Kremlin.    That is the building where secuity measues are applicable - but the Russiansd are sub-humans who knows fuck all about montoiring  of coversations of that nature.  that stroy was BS  as well.  Looking  at the following  to get you over your dumbness:-

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_(Moscow)#:~:text=Dom%20pravitelstva%20Rossiyskoi%20Federatsii)%2C%20also,of%20the%20Russian%20Prime%20Minister.

Lets look at the WH in Washington staff  whena packet of coacaine is found in the WH - First it as found in the public area, then - where publicx accss is possible - no that is not the case - it was found it was fund in the WH libary (a secured area  - then it was found in the White House meeting  room on the floor - then in a cupboard in he aea before the meeting room.    It was in a pachkage with fingerprint on - o no there was no fingerprints on the encvlpe  containing the cocaine.   Wo can one eblieve - not a single prson invovled.    That is similar to the Wall Street Journal propaganda BS .

Now lets get back to the ratiing  of news agencies.   Who dies the rating anyway?    With modern technology and satellite services it is accurate.   But that is siuddenly a media service.   Theya re nothing they can lie about li.ke the Russian Hoax stories that dominate the news stories for five years.   Thre can be no dount that the Russian Hoax stories are a concoction of lies and the Wall S treet Journal ws an activ articipant in it.   

You amy believe the pr opaganda BS - but I leave that to brainwashed idiots like you.

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Hahahahahahahahaha yet again Mike trounces the hostorically illiterate drivel merchant mozzzie.

The Wall Street Journal is a Globalist rag spewing out mozzzie much loved Globalist narrative. 

The censorship of news in America has been terrible. Goebel's would have been proud. Yes Government, Intelligence agencies, Globalist media and Big Tech all colluded to suppress the truth. They are now paying the price and the People dessert them in droves.

Who will ever forget how they lied about Trump and Russia. For 4 years they brazenly lied. Then we have the lies about man made climate change. We had all the many lies about Covid and the deadly jab. We have had the lies about the Ukraine war.

People who went against the Globalist narratives were silenced and persecuted, their businesses had to shut down and they were fired from their jobs if they didn't take the deadly jabs.

The curtailment of freedoms was severe. unless of course you were BLM rioters or Antifa thugs or part of the invasion on the Southern border.

But the wonderful thing is the new alternate media now has great clout than the Globalist media. Twitter has been largely freed. Even politicians to day are realizing that you can give the middle finger to the corrupt people in the media.

So now they are going after political opponents using lawfare. Saw a video where Dershowitz slammed the persecution of Trump.

So despite poor deluded mozzie, the hardcore globalist deceiver, pretending to be be morally superior to Putin, the opposite is the case. Indeed Mozzie is all for supporting the Nazis riddled, corrupt and tyrannical Zelensky Regime. Mozzzie has lost any moral sense. He is today just a funnel for Globalist lies and deception.

NO as people around the world are saying they are not going to be lectured by the USA as it is today. They wont be lectured on rigged election either.

The blatant corruption, the tyrannical nature of the illegitimate Biden Regime have left the USA bereft of moral standing. USA embassies fly the LGBT flag on the embassies must to the disgust of countries around the world. Putin mocks the woke culture allowed to operate in the USA.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha is so easy to debunk poor mozzies pretensions!  What a monumental LIAR this loon is.

I doubt HasBeen or Clever have ever read an edition of the Wall Street Journal. But they are experts on it…a rag, a globalist apologist. Actually I not only read it, I have been interviewed for it many times. Same is true for the FT and The NY Times. And my own experience is the WSJ was by far the most accurate, taking great care to get the facts right.

Ignorant loudmouths, with a village perspective and with no experience of the world. Embarrassing.

Mozart

I look at the wbsite andx am not peepared to pay for thi aricles.   Th e two articles you postedc on site are both  BS  and there was no fact checking theyw ould ahve fcound out tgh at the one was fcacytual B S and the second one was a junk report.

As a fact I went to the Kremlin 3 times and I ws suprised by the laxity displayed by the gate guards at the time.     They did not even search anybody nor asking  fro mym passport.   the reason were that there was no iffices or any security areas.   in fact it could cause dxamage to uswe it for modern office facilities because it would danmge the hitoric and cultural  exhibitions in the Kemlin..

The Kremli construcxted as from 1340 wa initially a fortres  to rotect the residxens from aidxs bmy a cvaiy of other countries like the G olden Hoard , the Crimea sultinate,  Poland and S Sweden - the aea was big enough to accommodate all the residents of Moscow.   Over tghe centuries a major adjustment was made to the walls and lookout towers and s moscow grew bigger it lost its cvalue as a fortress and became the palaces fc the .Tzars were built.    After Na[poln occupied and was about to leave the Kremlin he mind it and blew part of he building s extensively.    Those epairs were substantial.    Under the Communeist a building of similar design was added to cater for the Duma - but is rarely used as present.   

There are in reality no Govenment offices inside the Kremlin - those were relocated to the White House and other office buildings even fuirthr away from the Kemlin./   The amous Lubjanka headquartes of the F BI are sill in use by the F BI.   The building was originally builta offices of the a ll Ruassia INsurance Company. S ems its continued use after the Communists took ov er - they had to ensure the Regime stays in place.    The only diffenc was the statue o the .first head of the KG B?MVD ws emoveds andx destroyed.

Speaking  of statues - there was a stainless steel .statue of a sitting person in the Kremlin gardens adn I asked a Russian whos staturte isas Lenin's.   I wa rather suppriesd it was not remo ved - but was told it was retained ebayuse if t was part of history.   

A nother thing  the name of th e RBed S quae name and I ased about that too.   They told me it is the base colour of the buildings around th square and the paving  of the square - it has nothing to do with the Communist rgime.   The only ch ange there was the removal of Stalin's body from the mausoleam where only Lnin remained.  

But back to fact there are no offics fo public ervants not attached to maintenace  and ptection - as well as tourist tour guide in he complex   If the WSJ maxde a fact check they would have found the article was BS.      .    .      .       

And if you understood journalism you would know newspapers don’t guarantee the veracity of every opinion article written by an outside commentator. They are far more scrupulous about articles written by staff and the editorial pages. Opinion articles are exactly that, an attempt to expose readers to points of view that exist in society.

Mozart

I like differnt prespectives on news Imedia.   That is why I was extra critical of the two reports.   

D uring  the Communist Era the actual offices of the communist leadeship cadre. was in th e Kremlin and that for a very prctical reason - the damage caused to historical works in the Kremlin was the main cnsideration.     The secnd reason was that  Yeltsin was the President of the Russian fededration .   When Communism fell Yetsin conitnue the usage of the Moscow White House for all major Administration Departments and a large number of Deparmssts moved to other buildings in the city.   So many people say the Kremlin w hen they refer to the Russian Government  as the "Kremlin" - so it is frewuently used and I would have  left it there.    However, the mentioning  a friend in the Kremlin was BS and so was the real stroy.    As a result the story waqs total BS.   

By th e way I do not watch or follow Foxnews,   There are two likeable programs and that is the Jesse Watters one and Gutfield.   For most purposes I study ot the domentat avail;able on the internet.     Watters is funny - his actual proof of what happened and then critical analysis was very good.   Gutfield is just a political  farce and extra funny.   I was not a flan of Tucker as well.    Sometimes listen to him ad I think he would regard  Goebbels is a l earner in that field,