Putin's Propaganda Problems

I feel for these soldiers, I genuinely do.... on both sides, because it is just such a total waste of lives.

So many of these Russian soldiers especially, many, just young teenagers, were deliberately tricked or fooled into fighting this war for Putin, not the majority of Russia.... and the exact same comments and statements are getting made by so many of these captured Russian soldiers, almost every day now.... directly blaming Putin for what is happening, and calling their senior military officials cowards.

These soldiers here are telling the truth..... and Putin should be shot for it.

Sorry Soldiers

Such men are cowards, if you have been in battle, which , I surmise none of you have. When you fight or join a cause and run, you are shot at dawn, a cruel law but that's the way of the military. It happens in every war.

I'm guessing Tit is applying his "grate interlect" when he talks of fighting or joining a cause and he hasn't got the cranial capacity to absorb what these soldiers are saying . . . that they were lied to and led to believe it was a "training exercise".

Ceradyne was fighting in Angola against the Cuban/and MPLA , soldiers and terrorists. Urinal had the audacity to call him Ceradunce , or worse Cowardunce,which as it appears to me, he was not.

This one-eyed trouser snake,Urinal, or maybe he's Bedpan better known as Taipan a venemous snake in both SS forum and Ossie., was waving placards at Wits.

Notice the similarities, LOL...Moz hit it on the head when he called Taipan, Bedpan and you Urinal, you cannot take the piss although we all piss over you scum of Gauteng.

Mozart, Urinal and Bedpan have identical similarities but your rude words for them are quite apt.

Such men are cowards, if you have been in battle, which , I surmise none of you have. When you fight or join a cause and run, you are shot at dawn, a cruel law but that's the way of the military. It happens in every war.

Judging by your comments on these forums and this particular disgusting comment I'd put far more value on those cowards lives than yours. You're just another internet warrior sitting in safety armed with a keyboard name calling young men who where lied and deceived into being sent to a country to kill and be killed in a brutal and pointless war, all to satisfy the whims of a man who has delusions that he still lives in the 1900's.

Its a shame your not on the ground in Ukraine yourself, not because I wish you put in harms way but because its probably the only thing that could possible change your mind and get you to see you have been just as duped as those poor Russian soldiers.  

If the site of an old man shuffling along with meagre belongings or the site of a pregnant lady being wheeled out of a blown apart hospital or the site of a dead toddler in the arms of a mother doesn't tear you enough to say war is wrong then you need help. I struggle with someone declaring his faith in Christianity and yet by the same token justifies war and all of its misery.

The world doesn't spin on what is said on a neutral forum......this forum serves to uncork unashamed Bullshitters. It's only a fool drowning in bias who cannot see that war and Christianity are diametrically opposed to each other. 

Lot's of things odd...and tragic in this war...Odd that soldiers would be lied to when they could just be ordered to do whatever "command" wants them to do. It's not like you get a choice in which commands you obey in the military. 

Surely a bit of propaganda on both sides, but Russia is clearly the aggressor here...this has been going on for 8 years...they could have found a better way than war to solve things in the two "Russian" provinces...everything still doesn't ad up...some facts still unknown here...Putin isn't that stupid.

Ja ja ja ja but how is it possible to embrace what the bible preaches which is love and peace whilst embracing the death and destruction of innocents?

There's simply nothing unknown about that fact........the unashamed Bullshitters have exposed themselves.

I have long expressed the fact that propaganda will always happen on both sides, to seek favour from anyone who could help any one side in a war.

If you signed up for a war, to fight for your country, and you end up running away at the first sight of battle, then I agree, you would and should be called an outright coward.

However, if you unknowingly entered a war that you never wanted any part of to begin with, and you were lied to, on why that war was happening, and you were killing totally innocent civilians every day......then how the hell can you call anyone a coward, that opts to get out of a war like that, as soon as possible.

The Ukranian people ha ve shown numerous different videos of how they have treated captured Russian soldiers that were there to kill them and their families.......... offering clothes, food and even phone calls home, to their own families to let them know that they are fine..........

So propaganda or not...... why have we not seen one single video of Russian soldiers doing the same to the Ukranian people?

Interesting how this "Propaganda" from the very front line of this war, is only coming from one side..... the Ukranians....

The Ukranians must have more and better actors, with a lot more spare time on their hands during this war, to make all these videos...... compared to the Russians

a ja ja ja but how is it possible to embrace what the bible preaches which is love and peace whilst embracing the death and destruction of innocents? It's not this war is wrong and 100% Putin's doing....and I'm 100% against it.

There's simply nothing unknown about that fact...the unashamed Bullshitters have exposed themselves...I merely pointed to the fact that soldiers don't get to choose for themselves which wars the participate in or not..do as you're told or get shot, especially in the Russian Army I suppose.

SebstantialFool is what is known as a false Christian. Just like Beeno, CleanCutt and many other religious hypocrites. Most of them actually support Putin. They like authoritarian leaders, because they are not Democratic people. They are the West's Taliban. We saw them at the Capitol being animals, and we have also seen how pathetic they have been during Covid injecting themselves with anything under the sun that is not a medically approved treatment. 

Christianity was supposed to be about moving past the old testament of A rabs sacrificing each other. They dont understand the teachings of Jesus, they call this woke. If "their" God existed, he would call them fools. 

SubstantialFool would be singing from a different hymn book if the ANC did what Putin is doing.......not that I'm saying he's wrong for sticking the boot into the ANC, its just that his bias boggles the mind. 

But hell no, he's no Christian.......he is fake and yes so is Clean Cut and the raving lunatic Beeno.

I cannot confirm the ve racity of this video, but this has just hit the international headlines, and it is shocking... it was captured by a drone being operated by a soldier in Ukraine.

A innocent Ukranian man is apparently gunned down in cold blood by a group of Russian soldiers, whilst surrendering with his arms raised.... in front of a woman and child.

The soldiers then drag his body into the bushes to hide it

Video shows the before and after, not the killing itself

Cold Blooded

Sickening

There are always propaganda in situations like happened in Ukraine and even though Russia broke all reasonable rules by attacking there are circumstances hidden from the rest of the world that is problematic for Russia.

*   Due to the fact that the Russian Communist leadership did not trust the Ukrainians after what happened in World War 2  they redrew the border of the then Soviet Republic of Ukraine to have a majority Russian population.   This artificial "state" remained in place until 2014 - when a revolution sponsored by the USA and EU countries caused he collapse of the pro-Russian regime in the Ukraine.   The result was a civil war between the Russian majority  population in certain Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea  where Ukrainians made up only about 5% of the total population took over parts of the country and Crimea after a referendum in which 82%  of the population voted to be incorporated in Russia.

*    A ceasefire followed in 2015 and a major part of Eastern Ukraine and that include the Crimea was no longer administered by the Government of Ukraine.    When elections were held the Eastern Ukraine never voter for the Kjif Parliament and the result was that the majority Parliament was controlled by the now Ukraine majority population.

*    The Ukraine Government was encouraged by the USA and EU to get control of the whole country back and in recent months there were breaches by both side of the Minsk ceasefire agreement.    There were still Russian speaking members of the Parliament and their leader of the Opposition was arrested weeks before the actual invasion - but never charged with any offense.

*    The arrest was apparently the result of an attempt by the Ukraine Parliament to ban teaching Russian in Ukraine schools.   There were other minority languages in Ukraine that was also on the banned list.

*     Another problem that was headlined in the past week was the fact that the US Defense Department was funding biolabs in Ukraine and that for the Russians were a  red line  for the Russian Government.   There was an apparent effort by the western media to cover up this problem.

There should have been a where a wide range of options could be negotiated that could have solved the problems for both sides.   Re one option would have been to reform Ukraine into a federal for of Government - where the majority Russian speaking area would form a Federal State as part of a Ukraine Federal State, with the Central Government has limited powers when it come to State Governing.   Another option would have been to undo the foolish Communist 1953 border change and give the people of the majority Russian speaking population areas to vote under Independent International Control whether they want to remain part of Ukraine or become part of Russia.

The other demands of Russia was that Ukraine should be a neutral State and not part of the NATO set-up, as well as the closing of the biolabs in Ukraine.    

There were no real negotiation on the Part of especially the USA to deal with the issues at all and the BRICS countries knows that as well - these countries represent about 42% of the present world population and when various allies of individual BRICS countries are taken into account that figure represents more than  50% of the world population.     The majority BRICS countries allow for democratic Governance and opposition parties are allowed to operate - only China is a one party dictatorship.   

The story the media spread is that Russia is a communist dictatorship - it is not so.   In recent elections the All Russia Party  won about 60% of the vote and the rest went to opposition parties.   So although the vast area of the country making up one-sixth of the world landed area makes it difficult for opposition parties to operate nationally and most depends on local areas of influence.  

As to Ukraine attack the Russian forces has not moved outside of the majority Russian speaking areas and long distance rocket and air attacks target a wider target area.

I think the present problems in Ukraine will only be solved by negotiation  and that should be taking into account the problems of both sides.                               

The one thing with new technology..... and social media.....is that nobody on both sides of this war, can really get away with anything these days... there are cameras literally everywhere

These sick Russian soldiers decided to gun down 10 innocent people who were just waiting in line to buy bread

Russian Rubbish

Totally fucked up...the world is going to chaos because of what's looking like a p!$$ing contest.

Social media is totally biased on both sides.

So with that said why link a video that is so insane and unverified other than to illustrate your bias.

Ya, pissing contest is not the ideal term, but why the hell did he invade Ukraine? There is no other explanation than some twisted ego trip, trying to make a point...obviously the rest of the sane world don't see any glory in it...just horror....it makes no sense...it's just wrong...even if Ukraine was guilty of all the things Russia accuse them of, this invasion is a complete overreaction...it's like shooting the kindergarten bully with a rocket launcher for being nasty to the other kids. WTAF? It simply doesn't make sense.

"So with that said why link a video that is so insane and unverified other than to illustrate your bias"

Are referring to me, if so which video?

It's not only Snarkhole...

"It's interesting that all the self-proclaimed bible-bashing christians on this forum are not just the most despicable, but also the dumbest."

Rudehole is trying very hard too...better at confusing the issue though.

Ya BB...your house, with your family in it...total mindfuck...makes no sense at all.

I really thought the modern first world was past these juvenile squabbles...NOT...dark days ahead...and the fools in Washington and London are making it even worse.

"even if Ukraine was guilty of all the things Russia accuse them of, this invasion is a complete overreaction...it's like shooting the kindergarten bully with a rocket launcher for being nasty to the other kids. WTAF? It simply doesn't make sense."

Exactly how I feel

I listened because it was Lara Logan...didn't know she moved so much to the right since her CBS days...she knows her stuff, but now sounds like a conspiracy nutter...what can be believed these days.

Wonder if she realises  her tin foil hat has fallen off.

Sader...sounds like it, but do you know who she is? She is a legit war correspondent...she's not supposed to be a nutter.