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Ramaphosa requested and granted a meeting with Trump next week

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 May 2025, 09:15
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16 May 2025, 09:15#1

Trump apparently has a massive problem in granting meetig reuests fom a very large number of request from leaders worldwide and was granted a request with Ramaphosa next week/


So the media said Trump would treat Ramaphosa the same way as he did Zelenskyy - ater the latter was trying in front fhe nedia tell Trump what he may and may do and not do in his efforts to end the Ukraine War and the disgraceful conduct led to him be sent packing from the WH.


So now the media said the same could result from his meeting with Ramaphosa. I am not sure that Ramaphosa wuld show the same disgraceful conduct of Zelenskyy displayed in the WH . I don't think Ramaphosa is stupid enough to conduct himself like Zelenskyy did, If he does that SA will even go wose than the country is doing at present, In the meantime Trump does not like pettimess to undermine his effort to create a more peaceful world than at present - so Ramaphose will learn not to cause problems Zelenskyy's misbhavior caused,


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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
16 May 2025, 14:19
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16 May 2025, 14:19#2

This should be entertaining. If anything, Trump's reality show politics does provide that.

Trump is no doubt going to mention the Apartheid style politics that the ANC apply against White people.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 May 2025, 15:06
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16 May 2025, 15:06#3

Very entertaining...I'll pay money to witness the whole thing...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 May 2025, 17:00
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16 May 2025, 17:00#4

I can Ramaphosa on his knees begging for help., since if SA need loans from the IMF and World Bank Trump could ensure it is not granted based on abuse of human rights in SA, I think it would be very, very funny to be a fly on that wall in the WH,

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
16 May 2025, 18:33
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16 May 2025, 18:33#5

If we took away how bad the ANC are or that black farmers have failed, the black people in South Africa have some argument given the history of colonialism and later Apartheid.


  1. 72% of individually owned farmland/agricultural holdings in South Africa are owned by whites12.
  2. Less than 1% of white South Africans are the actual owners of this farmland 4.
  3. The vast majority of white South Africans do not own farmland; most white-owned land is concentrated among a small minority of individuals or families.


Landownership is controversial in every country, but even more so in SA because of history. I suppose most of the white people who work on farms are not very well paid, so it is never ideal to have only 1% of the population own nearly everything. (1% of white people own 72% of farm land).



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 May 2025, 19:04
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16 May 2025, 19:04#6

sb


As per nomal you have no idea what your are talking abou he fact that 50% of the farmlad is in the Karoo, Namakwalamd and 6he Kalihari area - all semi desert at best, To must make a living and farm productively and economically the farmers farmed with sheep and wildlife and in some cases with cattle and the farming area and about 30 000 of the remaining 72 000 famers are ownng that land. The Government owned huge areas of farming land and that is not counted as farmlamd. That accounts fo arfforestated areas in Mpumalanga and Limppo and the Kruger Park and Defense force areas - as well as the tribal areas especially in Zululand, the Transkei and Ciskei and in Limpopo province. None of those areas are included in farming lands and the Govenment story of the 72 % is basially BS If all owners are combined the White, Colored and Indan farmers own about 50% of agricultual land in SA.- the 72% is used by the Govnment as propaganda and justified for expropriation.


What the ANC has to do is to get famland owned by the Govemnent more productive - those farms they redistributed went to senior ANC cadres and production dropped to a minmal percentage - Orange farms in Tzaneen area are basically not producing oranges anymore. One of the major farms of bananas in Mpumalanga was redistribited to the tribe involved - no bananas are prduced. The farmer bought land i Mozambque and now SA has to import Bananas from Mozambique. The same applies to pineapple farming in the Eastern Cape - where there were pinapple farms their are now a few cattle and goats roaming on he farms. So they moved White and other farmers off the farms and the land became unproductive,


Tragic - but true. .


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 May 2025, 22:02
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16 May 2025, 22:02#7

Why is the % of land ownership an issue?...in a free market anyone can buy land...there are lots of rich black diamonds...they can buy land if they want it, they don't...farming is hard work...the problem is the poor horde, who wants land, but can't afford it...my problem too...I want a farm, but I can only afford a house...even the Apartheid government didn't give farms to any white folks...they had to buy it...

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 May 2025, 05:29
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18 May 2025, 05:29#8


  1. Good luck with that

xcfv

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 May 2025, 15:41
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18 May 2025, 15:41#9

ZAPIRO....seems to be losing it...white supremacy...what utter horse manure...he did a good job of calling out Zuma, yet he's quiet about the utter incompetence under Cyril...sies!!!

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
19 May 2025, 06:58
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19 May 2025, 06:58#10

Yeah Zapiro criticises the ANC generally, but he is very quiet on Ramaphosa. Only one of his last 30 cartoons, one where Ramaphosa is wearing a Putin cap in front of Zelensky, directly points a finger at him. He is fully strapped in on the fascist/supremacist/nazi bandwagon.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 May 2025, 07:28
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19 May 2025, 07:28#11

Visser, that 70% figure is about as bogus as bogus can be.



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 May 2025, 23:43
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19 May 2025, 23:43#12

Well nobody knows how the Trump-Ramaphosa meeting is going to work out, However, Ramaphosa will be accompanied by Steenhuisen to help him out of the shit he got himself into, Steenhuisen warned him not to sgn into law that land exproproation bill But Ramaphosa did sign it - and Trump would know about it - so what could happen about the issue and Trump confront Ramaphosa and Steenhuisen about it, I don't think Ramaphosa would dare to prescribe what policies shall apply like Zelenskyy tries to do in front of the media,


The oter people who soke at he meeting was Ernie Els, Retief Goosen and Johann Rupert - all regarded as friends by Trump. They said that peole in SA live in fear and that the USA should help SA in economic invetment and technixal assistance and i that way wants SA to become what Mandela was aspeaking about, There was also a Black woman who also arm on a bigger scale and said the same thing s about the situation and said Black farnmers are suject to the same fear experienced by Whites.


Musk was - as expected - also present and said that he wants to invest money in SA - but his application was rekjected because of the fact that he is a White,


After an intense media briefing - the meeting went further whre actual discussion on soltions of problems take place - followed by a lunch with Trump, Trump showed what was reported as being fim on issues - but unlike in the case of Zelenskyy there were two things different from what appened, namely -


  1. a follow-up meeting with Trump accmpanied by Vance, Rubio and Besssent as well as Musk; and
  2. attended by the Ramaphosa Delegation as well as the other people mentioned aboe,


They probably discuss security issues, law and order management. inciotement and more inmportantly a potential trade and investment agreement - but even more importantly golf and a likely viitation to Trump for a vist to SuthAfrica and him playing golf on the Leopard reek course


The above was followed by lunch in the WH,


So wile the situation was obviously tense - the SA delegation did not endeavour - like Zelenskyy - to prscribe what his policies and action to be taken by the US Government and he was romptly kick out of the WH.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 May 2025, 06:20
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20 May 2025, 06:20#13

Steenhuizen is a compromised weakling...Kortbroek 2...if he was a serious leader WC Exit would have been on a refferendum ballot already...not a complete exit, just more federal autonomy as allowed for in the constitution.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 May 2025, 19:45
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20 May 2025, 19:45#14

Trump and Elon have some great questions for Cyril to answer on camera.


Its gonna go something like this...


"Cyril, your government oversees the worst unemployment rates in the world. Your government is one of the most corrupt in the world. Your government took money from Iran to make a case in the ICJ against Israel. These are just some highlights...


Now explain to us why anybody should belive you about anything?"



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 May 2025, 22:41
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21 May 2025, 22:41#15

Darn, that was so satisfying to watch! Dankie Donald!!! Cyril the poephol unmasked...Steenhuizen too...Kortbroek II.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 May 2025, 23:27
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21 May 2025, 23:27#16

Analysis

Trump’s ‘white genocide’ claims ignore the reality of life and crime in South Africa

Rachel Savage in Komati, Mpumalanga, South Africa

US president intoned ‘death, death, death’ as he waved articles purporting to show violence against white minority


Wed 21 May 2025 21.44 BST



It was an ambush crafted straight from a reality-TV playbook. The Oval Office meeting with South Africa’s president, Cyril Ramaphosa, started with exchanges of pleasantries, before Donald Trump shouted “turn the lights down” and a video was played to support his false claims that white South African farmers are being murdered for their race.

Ramaphosa came prepared with champion white South African golfers Ernie Els and Retief Goosen, whom the golf-mad Trump referred to as “friends”, as well as South Africa’s richest person, Johann Rupert.


Ramaphosa, who led the African National Congress (ANC) party’s delegation in the talks that ended apartheid white-minority rule three decades ago, needed to play his strongest cards.

In February, Trump signed an executive order cutting aid to South Africa, accusing it of “unjust racial discrimination” against the white Afrikaner minority, which ruled the country during apartheid. The order criticised a South African law allowing land expropriation in limited circumstances and set up a program to bring Afrikaners to the US as refugees. The first group arrived earlier this month.


Trump ambushes South African president with video and false claims of anti-white racism


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South African media had speculated whether Ramaphosa was walking into a televised trap, like Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, had just a few months before.

The White House video was likely a surprise for the South Africans. It spliced together clips of Julius Malema, the leader of the far-left Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) opposition party, saying “We are going to occupy land” and “We must never be scared to kill”, before singing the controversial Kill the Boer song (“Boer” is another name for Afrikaners and means “farmer” in Afrikaans).

Malema, whose populism is designed to shock – and whose EFF won just 9.5% of the vote in South Africa’s 2024 election – will probably be thrilled with the attention, after being buoyed up by South African courts ruling that Kill the Boer is not meant to be taken literally.

Former South African president Jacob Zuma, now leading his own opposition party, uMkhonto weSizwe (MK), also featured in the video, singing in Zulu: “We are going to shoot them. They are going to run.”

The video ended with a drone shot of white crosses lining a road where vehicles were queued. Trump said they were paying respects to more than 1,000 murdered white farmers. Ramaphosa said he had never seen the video, which South African-born billionaire and Trump adviser Elon Musk reshared after it was posted on X in March.

Trump then whipped out a sheaf of printed-out news articles, intoning, “Death … death … death,” before handing it over to Ramaphosa.

It was not immediately clear where the white crosses were filmed or even if the footage is real. The Whitkruis Monument is a memorial to dead South African farmers, but the crosses are clustered on a hillside on private land.

While there have been farm murders involving horrific violence, killers interviewed in jail told Rudolph Zinn, a University of Limpopo professor, that they targeted victims of all races for cash and valuables. In the last quarter of 2024, South African police recorded 12 murders on farms, including Black-owned smallholder plots, out of almost 7,000 murders across the country.



South Africa’s agriculture minister, John Steenhuisen, the Afrikaner leader of the ANC’s main rival, the Democratic Alliance – which gets the bulk of its support from white South Africans – said most farmers wanted to stay in South Africa. He also defended the DA’s coalition with the ANC to keep out the “rabble” EFF and MK parties.

The two golfers’ words were perhaps less helpful. Els was cryptic: “Two wrongs don’t make a right.” Goosen spoke of his brother’s “constant battle” with people trying to burn down and take away his farm.

However, their presence could snap Trump out of attack mode. “I respect champions,” he said. “I think the country is very lucky. They really wanted to be here, these two, they could have been on a beautiful fairway.”

South Africa’s most potent defender was Rupert, whose luxury goods conglomerate Richemont owns Cartier. Referring to Malema and Zuma, he said: “I’m their No 1 target.”

Rupert pointed out that all South Africans are targets of crime. He said how much his wife loved JD Vance’s autobiography and begged for Elon Musk’s Starlink satellite internet service at police stations.

It remains to be seen, though, whether a fellow billionaire and a few rounds with South Africa’s finest golfers will be enough to mollify Trump and persuade him to attend the G20 summit in Johannesburg in November.



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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 May 2025, 23:32
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21 May 2025, 23:32#17


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/30/a-godsend-the-white-afrikaners-lining-up-to-accept-trumps-offer-of-asylum

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 May 2025, 00:12
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22 May 2025, 00:12#18

Watch the following video on the meeting: -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krfaj4IRUXc


Somebody was clever - they tok amogst others Johann Rupert to make a case for SA and for close economic alliace between the USA and claimed there were problems inhibiting economic development that he h opes Trump would help in solving it and encoraged USA cmpanes to invest in SA.,


However, after the video ended - the real meeting started and one wwould have to see what came out of the subsequent ngotiations and he was not like the idiotic Zelenskyy kicked out of the WH. In effect Ramaphosa said he hopes that a peace agreement in Ukraine materialize, When a delegation of African leaders tried to inititiate peace talks to stop the War - Zelnskyy send a mesage to them that African leades have no right to intervene in intenal European Afairs and eve since than Zelenskyy is dsliked by most of them. That was why the Bden could nt get support from African countries so Biden despatched idiot 2 in hiis administration - Secetay of State Blinken to convince Foreign Minister Pandor tosaide wij te USA in the Ukraine War, She gave Blinken a lecture on negotitiations to pevent srs is essential and that was where the Biden Administration failed. In return started to vomvinmce her that the Wa was necessart - she fgot up and said you ae wasting my time and walked out of the meeting, Blinken and he same happened to him in Rwanda, So wit h one thing I dsagree from Zelenskyy nd his conduct it is not fr him to prescribe to other countries what they should and should not do. Like in teh ase of most countries worldwide the USA became a joke under Biden. -

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
22 May 2025, 00:23
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22 May 2025, 00:23#19

XCVBN

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 May 2025, 05:38
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22 May 2025, 05:38#20

Steenhuizen an Afrikaner leader? What nonsense.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 May 2025, 08:43
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22 May 2025, 08:43#21

TX BB....thought Cyril handled things well as a leading stateman should.

I've always thought that the Farmers were vulnerable being isolated and make for a soft target. But genocide?......that's just a nonsense. I have never hesitated to condemn the ANC but on this issue they stand correct.....it's a level playing field meaning an even spread of security.

What to do about Malemna....simple...put a bullet through his head.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
22 May 2025, 09:35
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22 May 2025, 09:35#22

Farmers were vulnerable being isolated and make for a soft target


There's that & if you look at the crime stats, in 2023, 27,000 murders ... ffs its not only farmers, the whole country needs refuge from this horror


Crime stats LATEST: 75 people murdered per day in South Africa


  1. May 30, 2023 · However, across all four quarters (April 2022 to March 2023), the SAPS recorded 27 272 murders for the full year – equating to 75 murders per day in South Africa. Based on the 2022 population estimate of 60.6 million people, this gives South Africa a murder rate of 45 murders per 100 000 – one of the highest in the world.

www.thesouthafrican.com › news › deep-dive-all-the-key-crimeDEEP DIVE: All the KEY crime statistics figures - The South...


  1. Feb 24, 2025 · Police recorded 12 farm murders between October and December 2024. Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal were the highest contributors to the national murder figures, accounting for 25% and 21.4%...

data.worldbank.org › indicator › VCIntentional homicides (per 100,000 people) - South Africa | Data


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And here we have the BLM supporting scumbag Denise talking about the great statesman Ramaphosa.


...no doubt that if Donald instituted similar policies against black kids in the USA we'd never hear the end of what a racist he is.


We've had these retarded tossers on here telling us about how bad Donald is for saying "Grab them by the pussy" meanwhile they want to shine a positive light on a president that oversees the most racist government in the modern world.


This is the absolute hypocrisy of this scumbag called Denise and her pal Blo.







The worst part of that entire interaction... was the absolute embarrassment of Ramaphosa when this happend..... Trump was busy discussing the one video showing the thousands of white crosses lining the road, which has been a viral video that has circulated in South Afrivca for the last few years...on social media and the mainstream media.

Ramaphosa says this, whilst busy watching that video of the White crosses:

"Mr president, has anybody told you where this is, because I have not seen this before....

Trump:

That is South Africa

So now we need a president, from another country 10 000kms away, having to tell our own president, what is happening in his own country..... shameful and disgusting.... and some of Ramaphosa's entourage have a smirks on their faces and refuse to turn around to view the video that is busy playing behind them because they know exactly what it is.

Anybody who thinks that Trump was wrong to point this out with Ramaphosa sitting right next to him on the world stage, needs to stop commenting on this specific issue .....because they clearly know absolutely nothing about it, nor just how serious an issue it is, that has been brought up for many years already.

Farmers are specifically targeted because they are seen as easy targets, because they are naturally isolated on their farms, far away from the police or armed response services..... hence why they now have farm patrols all over the country.

Yes, thousands of people are killed every year in SA, but it is the disgusting way that the farmers are killed which highlights this issue so much more......because the very fact that they are so isolated on their farms means that when they are eventually killed, they are tortured, beaten and sickeningly played with.... sometimes for days .... and let's not even discuss the raping, beating, and torturing of the young children and wife which often happens right in front of the farmer ...before they finally kill him.

Good on Trump for doing this and highlighting this issue for the entire world to see....

I guarantee you right now, that it has already got more attention from the government on this specific issue, than ever before, because SA hugely rely on the US for assistance, so they will do anything they can to ensure they stay in the good books with Trump, and I 100% believe that what Trump just did will assist in that regard.


"TX BB....thought Cyril handled things well as a leading stateman should."


This tells us all we need to know about, Denise.


"I have never hesitated to condemn the ANC but on this issue they stand correct.....it's a level playing field meaning an even spread of security."


Note how the squirming coward tries to say tis a level playing field while blacks aren't tortutred during these killings. NAZI or anti black slogans aren't painted on the walls of crime scenes with the blood of black victims.


When last was a black child boiled in hot water?


Need I go on? We all know there is a never ending list of violent hate fuelled torture and murder stories that I could insert here.


Denise is a racist little twerp with big chip on her shoulder. The vast majority of farm murders are hate crimes against soft targets. It's not crime for the sake of stealing/robbing.


And here we have Denise telling us that Ramaphosa is stately and correct in saying that "Oh it's just crime. Crime that everybody suffers from."


Thanks for exposing yourself for who you really are Denise, not that most of us didn't already know.



Ja, well Blob is just as bad saying "ffs its not only farmers, the whole country needs refuge from this horror"

Whilst this is a correct statement from Blob, the absolute ignorance of not knowing the significant and very obvious difference between all the other murders, and farm murders in particular is profoundly naive and very stupid.... but these statements are made by people who have SFA idea as to what is happening on the ground.

The abhorrent level of brutality in these farm murders, especially against the wives and children is just nothing short of barbaric...

But as usual, let's just make it about Trump being the bad guy again

Bloody well done Donald Trump....bloody well done ....that is what a proper leader does, he holds people to account, in the public eye, not behind closed doors....especially those people that are desperate for that same leader to send them buckets loads of food aid and millions in financial aid.

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