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Ramaphosa requested and granted a meeting with Trump next week

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
23 May 2025, 06:47
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23 May 2025, 06:47#41

Ramaphosa the great statesman ruling over the country with the highest murder rate in Africa and 5th highest in the world, even beating a shithole like Haiti. And he is not lifting a finger to do anything about it. He is a common criminal and a coward, his only credential being "there are worse that can take his place".

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
23 May 2025, 07:13
#42
23 May 2025, 07:13#42

Amazing how people are still talking about the "atrocities" of apartheid, but the dude ruling over 70 murders a day of mostly black people is called a great statesman.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
23 May 2025, 07:20
#43
23 May 2025, 07:20#43

Ja, well Blob is just as bad saying "ffs its not only farmers, the whole country needs refuge from this horror"

Whilst this is a correct statement from Blob, the absolute ignorance of not knowing the significant and very obvious difference between all the other murders, and farm murders in particular is profoundly naive and very stupid....


I stand by my comments, ffs I acknowledged that farm murders are a nightmare & succinctly reminded that murderous crime's rampant throughout the land.

To any critics ... go sit on your thumb, go for a spin but be careful, you're full of shit.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 May 2025, 07:36
#44
23 May 2025, 07:36#44

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 May 2025, 07:39
#45
23 May 2025, 07:39#45

...farmers are 1500% more likely to be murdered than any other portion of the population...and Malema are being allowed to spread his hatred...our government is not lifting a finger to do anything about it...amazing...

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
23 May 2025, 08:01
#46
23 May 2025, 08:01#46
Cape Town ranked 10th most dangerous city in the WORLD

Cape Town took the 10th spot in Statista’s most dangerous cities ranking for 2023.

By Marzanne Janse van Rensburg

08-01-24 08:40

in News

Aerial photography of boat terminal, Cape Town. Image by Pexels/Pixabay



The statistics are based on the murder rate per 100 000 inhabitants of each city.

CAPE TOWN NOT FAR BEHIND MEXICO

According to Statista, Cape Town’s murder rate in 2023 was 64 people per every 100 000 people in the city. Top of the list was Celaya in Mexico with 109,39 murders per 100 000 people. The other cities, not in South Africa or Mexico, on the top 10 ranking, are St. Louis in the USA, and Fiera de Santana in Brazil.

ALSO READ: WATCH: Bheki Cele released crime statistics in SA [VIDEO]

SA’S HIGH CRIME RATE

The current statistics from World Population Review show that South Africa has the third-highest crime rate in the world. There is a significantly high rate of assaults, rape, and other violent crimes. Contributing factors include poverty, inequality, and normalisation of violence.

According to Cape Town Today, 6 945 South Africans succumbed to homicide between July and September 2023. Genocide Watch reported that SA has the world’s third-highest murder rate, which is six times the US average.

ALSO READ: Here are five CAPE TOWN crime hot spots

ALSO READ: WATCH: Top five crime hot spots in Cape Town [VIDEO]

JOURNALIST UNCOVERS DARK SIDE OF CAPE TOWN

Donal MacIntyre, an investigative journalist, visited Cape Town to investigate what he refers to as “the grip of a violent crime wave” and published his findings in a YouTube video at the end of last year. He stated in his video that almost 3 000 people per year are murdered in Cape Town – this is more than triple the number in the whole of the UK.

Cape Town has been flooded with cheap firearms, drugs, and gang activity.

MacIntyre says that his “journey into Cape Town’s underbelly has been a shocking eyeopener” and that “there’s a feeling of constant anxiety”.

ALSO READ: Table Mountain attacks highlight crime threat to South Africa tourism

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
23 May 2025, 08:01
#47
23 May 2025, 08:01#47

"I stand by my comments, ffs I acknowledged that farm murders are a nightmare & succinctly reminded that murderous crime's rampant throughout the land."

Go and talk shit somewhere else .....

You compared farm murders to the average daily murders in South Africa, which means you know sweet fuck all about what is happening in this country, but you are a pretender making out like you do know what is happening...

There is a clear, obvious and very distinct difference between the daily public murders happening around this country.....and the farm murders, so don't try and explain that to us that live here, or even others that don't live here, because they are not the same at all... and never ever have been.

The level and scale of violence in farm murders pales in comparison to the rest of the murders around the country, and whilst all murders are horrific and should never happen, there is not one South African here that would disagree with that statement.... I absolutely guarantee you that.

You said nothing about farm murders being a nightmare, you just lumped those murders into the rest of the murders that happen around the country, yet there is a massive difference between how farm murders are carried out compared to the rest around the country.....

But keep being a pretender, trying to tell everybody here that you know what is happening in South Africa

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
23 May 2025, 08:09
#48
23 May 2025, 08:09#48

There's that & if you look at the crime stats, in 2023, 27,000 murders ... ffs its not only farmers, the whole country needs refuge from this horror


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
23 May 2025, 08:12
#49
23 May 2025, 08:12#49

I still don't see where you said that farm murders are a nightmare....

I repeat..... go and talk shit somewhere else

You know absolutely nothing at all about what is happening in this country, so stop pretending to

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
23 May 2025, 08:21
#50
23 May 2025, 08:21#50

...farmers are 1500% more likely to be murdered than any other portion of the population...and Malema are being allowed to spread his hatred...our government is not lifting a finger to do anything about it...amazing...

Yeah, and some very ignorant and stupid people here want to compare this to the average usual South African murder...

"There are only 44k farmers in South Africa...more than 3000 have been killed over the years....they are 15 times more likely to be murdered than the rest of the population...sick as fck."

Yeah, but idiots on here like Blob want to compare these farm murders to the usual ones that happen around the country every day

I mean, according to Blob, it's a common occurance for any member of the public to have their wife shot 3 times, and then have boiling water poured all over her whilst she dies on the floor, but then also have the father shot, strung up by his neck, and then have boiling water from the kettle poured down his throat whilst still alive..... and that lasted for 5 hours...and then he was killed..... of course it's the same.

Or... how about another farm attack where the husband and wife were stabbed..... then the wife had her breasts and chest completely burnt with a blowtorch, then she had plastic stuffed far down her throat.....before she was shot and killed.

Or.....how about another farm attack where the woman was tortured using an electric power drill...... she survived....

As I said, Blob knows absolutely sweet fuck all, and never will .... he's a complete and utter pretender, and if anyone should go and sit on their thumb because they are full of shit.... it's Blob.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
23 May 2025, 08:55
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23 May 2025, 08:55#51
This South African city has now been named one of the most violent places in the world

Buffalo City in the Eastern Cape has joined other major South African metros to be ranked among the most violent cities in the world.

The city has made its dishonourable debut on the annual ranking compiled by the Mexican Council for Public Security and Criminal Justice in association with the Mexican Commission on Human Rights.

The ranking has been compiled annually for over a decade and lists the 50 most violent cities in the world by the number of murders per 100,000 people.

Only cities with populations exceeding 300,000 where murder statistics are available are considered for the ranking, but at least three major South African metros have qualified since 2013.

In the 2024/25 ranking, five South African cities made the cut, again led by Gqeberha, with Buffalo City joining for the first time.

Cape Town, Gqeberha (listed as Nelson Mandela Bay) and Durban have been on the ranking since 2013. Johannesburg entered in 2015.

While Gqeberha leads as the most violent city in South Africa, its position in the global list has improved, falling out of the top 10 to 14th position.

The city’s murder rate—while extremely high—has also improved, dropping to 70.9 murders per 100,000 people.

Durban and Johannesburg have also improved their standings, each seeing murder rates decline compared to 2023—however, Cape Town has gone in the opposite direction, with its murder rate jumping to 70.2 per 100,000 people.

While none of South Africa’s cities feature in the top 10, it must be noted that outside of number one—Port-au-Prince (Port Principe) in Haiti—Cape Town and Johannesburg have an alarmingly high number of murders.

Looking at the sheer number of murders, South African cities occupy three of the top five places, with Cape Town and Joburg second and third overall.

  1. Port-au-Prince (Port Principe) in Haiti: 4,263
  2. Cape Town: 3,454
  3. Joburg: 3,117
  4. Guayaquil in Ecuador: 2,478
  5. Durban: 2,407

Tracking the data from 2013, it is also alarming to note how murder rates have worsened over the decade.

  1. Cape Town’s murder rate increased from 51.0 in 2013 to 70.2 in 2024 (an increase of 37.6%).
  2. Durban’s murder rate increased from 32.4 in 2013 to 58.4 in 2024 (an increase of 80.2%).
  3. Gqeberha’s murder rate increased from 35.7 in 2013 to 70.9 in 2024 (an increase of 98.6%).
  4. Joburg’s murder rate increased from 33.3 in 2015 to 49.0 in 2024 (an increase of 47.1%).
YearCCTDBNNMBJHBBUF201351.032.435.7––201460.034.734.9––201565.535.935.833.3–201660.834.439.2––201762.338.137.5––201866.438.539.2––201968.340.545.836.2–202064.043.451.237.2–202162.240.052.330.8–202263.059.457.041.4–202363.965.078.349.5–202470.258.470.949.060.2

The data aligns with local crime stats reported by the South African Police Service.

The SAPS’s latest data shows that South Africa recorded 26,232 murders between January and December 2024, averaging 72 murders every day.

This gives the country an alarming murder rate of 42 per 100,000 people—one of the highest murder rates in the world.

Looking at provincial data, the Eastern Cape (Gqeberha and Buffalo City) has the highest murder rate, followed by the Western Cape (Cape Town), KwaZulu Natal (Durban) and Gauteng (Johannesburg).

Global Ranking South Africa

YearCCTDBNNMBJHBBUF201320th48th41st––201414th38th35th––20159th41st42nd47th–201613th50th43rd––201715th44th46th––201815th47th45th––20198th35th24th41st–202010th31st22nd40th–202111th35th23rd48th–202212th15th18th34th–202317th16th9th24th–202416th20th14th23rd18th

South African cities featuring on a South American-centric ranking is an anomaly, but shouldn’t be surprising.

The ranking is dominated by South American cities, which are known to be extremely violent places on the global stage.

The only non-South American cities are the five from South Africa and five from the United States.

20 of the 50 most violent cities in the world are Mexican, followed by Brazil with 8; Colombia with 6; South Africa with 5; United States with 5; Ecuador with 3; and Haiti, Jamaica, and Trinidad and Tobago which each have one.

The average murder rate of the 50 cities is 56.8 homicides per 100,000 people, and 21 cities are above that average rate—including every South African city except Joburg.

The Mexican Council for Public Security and Criminal Justice noted that the violence caused by the Russia-Ukraine war and the Middle East conflict is not included in the ranking, as it focuses on criminal violence.





The links you posted were about overall crime stats in SA, something you still know absolutely nothing about, without having to Google it first ...

You lump farm murders into the same category as the rest of the murders in SA, and still continue to do so.... you think every day murderers in South Africa spend 1 - 3 days torturing people in the suburbs, that's just how stupid you really are ......you continue to know sweet fuck all.

In depth reporting over many years has shown far too many times already that farm murders in particular are far more brutal, barbaric, heinous and disturbing......compared to other crimes of the same nature in this country...

You are a pretender.... you always have been, and always will be..........

Maybe actually take the time to learn about something first before commenting on it and making yourself look like the complete and utter dick that you are.

The benefits of Trump calling out Ramaphosa in front of the worldwide media is by far, much more benefical for South Africa and it's citizens, than doing it behind closed doors away from the media and the public eye.

We need as many spotlights as possible on what is going wrong with this country, to force the current president and his thugery government staff to wake the fuck up and start working for it's citizens....

Closed door conversations won't get that done, it gets you nowhere...and if it did, it would take decades....

Getting absolutely and thoroughly embarrased in front of the entire world's media, from the most iconic building in the world and becoming a new viral sensation.... will do far more good than bad.

Donald Trump is terribly wrong about white genocide, but he is right, things need to change in South Africa | Sihle Mlambo

Over 20,000 people were murdered in South Africa during the 2024/25 financial year. One of those 20,000 people murdered and killed in cold blood, was my 22-year-old brother, Ntokozo.

In just over a fortnight, it will be a year since those deadly bullets were fired at the back of his head on the evening of June 7, 2024, killing him along with two others - Kyle Abrahams and Jayden van der Byl - on the flat’s passageway of our Mayville home.

I remember where I was when I received a frantic call from my niece through an unknown number that evening, telling me “uNtokozo, bamdubulile ushonile (Ntokozo has been shot, he has died)”.

As the phone slammed shut in my ear I was stunned into silence, I did not say a single word, I was shell shocked and my body went cold, seconds later, I broke down, comforted by a stranger.

The pain my little brother's death caused and the nature of his death has caused to my family is truly unsettling, and I would not even wish it on my worst enemy.

I have watched my mother, my stepfather, my sisters, aunts struggle to come to terms with the reality of losing a son, a brother, a friend.

To this day, we still search for answers, healing and closure. The triple murder investigation docket into Ntokozo and his friends’ death was immediately reassigned to the Provincial Organized Crime Unit, which to my understanding, is located inside the office of Lieutenant General Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi.

The assigned investigating officer on the case, has never once reached out and spoken to my mother, or my stepfather, almost a year later.

Ntokozo was a young black man with his whole life ahead of him, but like the pain my family feels, so do the families of the white farmers, the black farm workers, the Indian house robbery victims and all the victims of violent crimes, regardless of race.

Why am I telling you all of this? I suppose in some way because death is painful for all those who are involved and directly affected by it, including the 225 deadly farm attacks that have besieged the country in the past four years, never mind that over 100,000 have been killed in the same period.

From those 225, 55 killed farm owners (majority white), while the rest were farm labourers, International Relations Minister Ronald Lamola told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour on Thursday night.

“That does not represent genocide,” he asserted.

And the minister is correct, but, but once you start to look at death and murder as a human catastrophe and not as numbers, you start to feel the pain and suffering of those lives lost.

In some small way, we have become too accustomed at dismissing the white genocide narrative, but in so doing, we almost forget that there are still real lives lost, albeit at a far lesser scale than the AfriForum lobby and US President Donald Trump would have the world believe. It is important to be compassionate to those families, but of course there is no white genocide in South Africa, Trump knows that, Elon Musk knows that, and the rest of the PayPal Mafia gang too.

Deadly farm attacks have been happening in South Africa for years, because the farmers are isolated, it takes an awfully long time for help to arrive - they are essentially easier targets because of the vast acres of land they live in, isolating them.

This often gives the attackers more time to execute their devilish acts, in some instances, leading to rape and murder.

It is cruel and ghastly what happens to farmers and farmworkers during these farm attacks, and what Trump is perhaps correct about, is to ask the South African government what is to be done?

President Cyril Ramaphosa and his powerful delegation including Johann Rupert rightfully pointed out that there is a crime problem in South Africa, which is “across the board” and affects all races, Black African, Coloured, White and Indian, everyone.

The biggest victims of violent crime and murder in South Africa are Black African and Coloured men like my little brother, who don't have lobby groups and US dollar donations to spotlight their plight.

In some way, South Africa must shift the spotlight away from the fallacy of a white genocide, but it must really project manage and implement a viable and immediate turnkey strategy to combat crime and violent crime killing all people in South Africa, not just white farmers.

It is unacceptable that 25,000 young men, women and children of all races are murdered every year, something’s got to give.

Accepting this narrative of South Africa’s violent scourge does not mean that South Africa does not have a gender-based violence problem, we do, just as we have a problem with farm attacks.

South Africa has a crime problem period, and right now, what is needed, are urgent and tangible interventions that will directly begin to address the crime problem.

We heard Rupert speak and bid for Starlink technology at every police station, to which we were told billionaire Elon Musk - who has been driving the false white genocide narrative - was seen in the Oval Office nodding his head emphatically at every turn his company was mentioned as a solution.

But beyond Starlink, beyond the technological preventative measures that will be put in place, South Africa has an army of millions of unemployed youth who need to be economically active, before they too join the gangs and become a bigger problem for our communities in urban and rural settings.

The consequences of our growing unemployment and general youth despondency is why we are here. South Africa and its leaders have acknowledged the crime problem, now it is time to do something about it, open the factory floors, the warehouses, the assembly plants and tech spaces, get young people working!






"We heard Rupert speak and bid for Starlink technology at every police station, to which we were told billionaire Elon Musk - who has been driving the false white genocide narrative - was seen in the Oval Office nodding his head emphatically at every turn his company was mentioned as a solution"


The way the author tries to make it seem like Elon is desperate for South Africa's business.


The absolutely pathetic shit you post, Denise.


Let me make it simply for you.


Incitement to violence is a crime for a reason.


...what do you think that reason is?


Why do you think that people in most countries in the world would get locked up immediately if partaking in incitement!!!???


Do you think it's because incitement doesn't lead to anything?


...or do you think it's because incitement causes violence against the group that is its target?


There is mass incitement against whites in SA. Nothing is done about it. A few months ago is the very first time that the ANC...THE RULING FUCKING PARTY...distanced itself from blatant incitement against whites. And they only did so because Trump took notice.


So you can post all the articles that you like, but we see you...we see what and who you are.



I am not particularly worried about what happened in the publicly-viewed part of the meeting. What is imortant is what happened in the subequent meeting and what is going to be done as to relationship between the USA and the RSA. Trump is a difficult person to negotiate with on anyting he wants to see appening worldwide or the USA. He put such negotiators under pressure and then make them offers they cannot refuse, He has done it in all tricky negotiations and also in Ukraine and with Russia,


What normally happen is that after his own inititial involvement he leave further negotiations to his cabinet members based on principles his cabinet have accepted and promoted. If things ran into obstacles on lower level - he would step in and force other leaders to become reasoable and that technique in the end always works.


So what will be discussed on lower level are things like how the USA could contribute to SA like -

  1. improvement in protection of the Cape Sea route (Hegseth);
  2. how law and order can be strenghened (Bondi and Patel); and
  3. .investments and trade being handled to improve the situation (Bessent)


I would not be srprized if Trump visit SA during this year and sign agreements with the SA Government at that time for meetings with the Southern Afican heads of Governments.


Another example is what is happeing in the Mid-East where he is isolating the terorist regimes and isolate Iran leading to direct talks with Iran, In the first year he wants Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon being isolated by his visits to the ME last week and talks with Turkey the strongest military power in NATO after the USA and in the ME and that puts him in a position where the new regime in Syria will agree to condtions acceptable to the USA and end instability in Syria and n the ME in general with Trump's norm be no war - get wealthy through trade and tourism and protecting of human rights as well, .


The above system works in positives for all countries worldwide and is shown by the present scenario between the EU Countries and the USA. In the end the Trump system worked well in the cases of China, Canada, the UK and all the NATO countries and will work out in the case of the Ukraine War as well.



"Cyril has it right by asking Trump to provide modern day equipment for better security."

What a completely and utterly stupid, dumb and naive thing to say and believe.

This is a clear and concise example of just how utterly pathetic you really are Denise

Let's see .......

How about Cyril sort out Julius Malema and all the other many black people constantly calling for "Killing The Boer" all over social media

How about Cyril sort out the SAPS who are a national embarrasment and disgrace, because of their corruption, bribery, ineptitude and downright lazy attitude..

How about Cyril sort out his regional and provincial ministers who drive around in expensive cars and live in mansions and get fuck all done most days

How about Cyril sort out the criminal justice system where rapists and murderers get away literally with murder, every single day.

How about Cyril clamp down on the gang activity that increases the crime in all the provinces around SA

How about Cyril target the mass imigration of illegal people from our surrounding neighbours

How about Cyril holding his cabinet responsible for the failures of so many state funded corporations

How about Cyril stopping the most corupt party in the history of this country from stealing billions every single day, and using that money to purchase modern day equipment and better security.

How about Cyril stopping the affirmative action process which is preventing the correct people from implementing the necessary policies and processes around the country to ensure better safety and security for all

How about Cyril making sure that the right people are put into the goverment positions, who have actually earned their way up the ranks, and not just some cadre who has just been put there through some common cause that they were both involved in from the 80's

You see Denise, most respectful and hard working and effective people and governments around the world, would much rather get their own house in order first, or at least try to....... before travelling half way around the world, begging for assistance in front of the rest of the world's media.

You think Cyril was right to go to the USA and beg for assistance or aid, when Cyril has the capability right now to do it, even to purchase and implement new modern day equipment for better safety and security for everyone.....just bring in the world's specialists from around the world......just look at the best countries around the world with the least crime.... simple really....he has everything at his disposal right now, in South Africa, to get this done....yet he doesn't do it .... but Cyril wants the White man to do it....

Cyril ran to the USA for assistance when he could have done something here himself.

You ran away to Australia when you could have done something here yourself

You both relied on the White man to solve your problems, when you both clearly had the ability and capability to make a difference yourselves....

So what have we deducted from this here, with your various comments and responses to this topic..... because it's easy and clear as mud

You and Cyril are exactly the same

AJH and others


I will give you an example of what really happened. I lived for 20 years in a flat in Belmont on the Durban breachfront A very nice neighbourhood indeed and close to the beaches and to the Dolphin pool. I thight it is just the right place to live. but from middle 1990's things took a terrible route. I remained living in Belmont towers and travel to work in Ballito and back until 2 000 and then could not get away fast enough, There were robberies and the final nail was one day coming home found the area and lifts was a stares cordoned off by the Police. The body of a murdered woman were lying on the stairs .


Suddenly I said to myself I must get away from the place and sold my flat at a loss and bought a House in Tinley Manor Beach - very few people would know about, Halfway between Ballito and KwaDukuza (Stanger) was a hamlet with about 180 homes many of the holiday homes, It was peaceful and safe for a few years then havoc set in. Three break-ins and an attempted one where the criminals was clear - they were dangerous, In any event theye decided to rather go for anouther house and they left, So good bye Tinley Manor Beach and off to the town where I grew up - Riversdale.


I was lie moving fron be country to another - moving from chaos, where roads were nelected and falling apart, where bribery and corruption became a stronghold to a place where decent and maintained services and where safety is not a problem and many other benefts like lower price for food and other luxuries. I can remember seeing a very active police station doing regular patrols with the police travel through whole town regularly, Then a young man was murdered. And then a murder happened, The murdered man was an agent selling drugs to people for a Cape Town Gang , He did not pay the money he received to the gang boss - so he sent an agent to 86 the local seller. Well - the Police found the killer in Cape Town - arrested him and send him back to Riversdale for a court hearing. Outside were thousands of people around the Magistrates court and demanding that the murderer must be handed to them. The Police had a handful with the crowd who would have killed the murderer,


Riversdale is where the magisterial and muncipal services are provided from to 9 towns in the area, The town is one of 36 muicipalites who got clean audits from Audit SA. There are many Riversdale like areas in the Western Cape so lets state clearly - the Western Cape is totally different from Kwazulu-Natal it is like the difference between days and nights. In the 10 yeas I lived in Riversdale there was not a single farm murder reported in the whole muncipal area.


The Western Cape is the best-administered province in SA - fact and if th other provinces follow th same route the country can be saved from self-destruction. That means cutting out racism and appointing of manages without regard to skin color on a merit basis, Where people are protected and can live safely - the retoration of the econmy will follow, There is another issue - corruption - that is bankruptig provinces and provincial councils must be ended,


What I want to say is we all want the same thing - but can .the Government back to the basic principles - namely that they are there to serve the people not enrich themselves there are hope for SA and if Trump can help us to get to his vision of thngs - there is hope for SA. . . .



The fact is, Cyril could so easily sort so much of this country's shit out, in no time at all....... just get the right people involved.... Black, White and Brown...

The question is why hasn't he

Does the party have too much on him

Do his cadre's have inside information that could destroy him if it ever came out

Why does he allow this country to be torn to pieces every day, and it just gets worse, never better

It makes no sense that he has not done enough for his own country, and then portrays himself in such an embarrassing way in front of the world's media, begging for assistance on issues that he himself could so easily resolve... we have some of the best minds in the world, in so many different sectors.

Cyril looked like the complete and utter failure that he is, in front of the world media.......

I still cannot believe that he actually asked Trump "where is this" and Trump had to tell him "That is South Africa"

Piss poor...... just piss poor

Then Again, Mbeki, Zuma did nothing either..... they also just took what they could.....

It's also interesting to see how it's the people who don't live here in South Africa who will try and convince you that the farm murders here are the same as all the other murders in the country......... piss off, you know nothing.

"There's no point in beating around the bush, the country is in a rotten mess without a glimmer of hope at the end of the tunnel. One has to feel for its people regardless of colour or creed"

Yet.... you still fully endorsed and supported the fact that the South African president goes to another country and begs for assistance in front of the world's media.... when he does not have the knowledge or cannot even answer the most basic questions about his own country's failings....and that very same president could solve a lot of his own problems at home, in his own country, by himself, by just correcting or amending the current status quo.

Says so much about you Denise ...... you can't and don't get the job done yourself, that's too much work...... so just go and beg someone else to do it for you..... that's your mindset .....that's your go to.

As I said earlier.... you and Cyril... two peas in a pod

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