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Richard Attias says Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Oct 2025, 17:31
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09 Oct 2025, 17:31#1

Not just for the potential Palestinian resolution, but for what he describes as a Diplomatic movement to solve many international conflicts. He says likability isn’t the issue…pragmatism and courage….and results are. He is making history and deserves to be rewarded according to Attias.


This man is a heavyweight and co founder of the Nobel Laureates conference.


Richard Attias is a Moroccan events producer, founder and former chairman of PublicisLive and currently the executive chairman of Richard Attias and Associates. He is also the founder of The New York Forum and the co-founder of the Clinton Global Initiative and the Nobel Laureates Conference


Important to support hope he says. Interesting interview on CNBC.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
09 Oct 2025, 18:17
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09 Oct 2025, 18:17#2

Not going to happen.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
09 Oct 2025, 19:22
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09 Oct 2025, 19:22#3

World affairs are not great at the moment, and crazier things have happened.


Trump appears to have contributed to the Israel and Gaza/Hamas conflict, but it is hard to say he has made much of a contribution to the other wars.


Although earlier in the year, he said he did not rule out taking Alaska by force- and said America must have it. He saw it as a real estate deal.



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Oct 2025, 19:43
#4
09 Oct 2025, 19:43#4

"Not going to happen."


Why not?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
09 Oct 2025, 20:05
#5
09 Oct 2025, 20:05#5

Why not?


Numerous reasons.


Firstly the committee that decides on awarding the prize had already decided who the winner was on Monday before the developments over the last couple of days between Gaza and Israel.


The Noble Committee tends to award the prize to long term, multilateral peace efforts, over short term deals. The Committee frowns on people who campaign for the prize and prefer people who work in the background or quiet diplomacy.


Another reason is that some of the nominations for Trump by Pakistan and Netanyahu came after the February 1st deadline for the 2025 nominations.


Then their is the optics of awarding a man who was nominated by a man wanted for war crimes. The fact that the Trump administration supplied without restriction Israel the weapons it needed to conduct it's war in Gaza with virtually zero criticism of the Israel conducted of the war is another. Then there is the little fact Trump joined in on Israel's short lived war against Iran. Or the fact that Trump and his administration have overly exaggerated or outright lied about their roles ending various conflicts.




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Oct 2025, 20:44
#6
09 Oct 2025, 20:44#6

There’s a ‘Noble’ prize, perhaps for the producers of Downton Abbey?


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
09 Oct 2025, 21:19
#7
09 Oct 2025, 21:19#7

Need I list all the reasons why Trump shouldn’t get a Nobel peace prize?

Sidney Blumenthal

13–17 minutes

Donald Trump’s thuggish campaign to bully his way to the Nobel peace prize should not be the cause for the committee to reject him. There are many more substantial grounds that render him patently unqualified to receive the award.

Among the numerous reasons that make him one of the least deserving people in the world who should be honored, he has single-handedly destroyed the United States Agency for International Development, which has saved hundreds of millions of people from hunger and disease, and promoted democracy and the rule of law around the world. In an executive order issued on his inauguration day, 20 January, Trump slandered USAID as “not aligned with American interests and in many cases antithetical to American values” and claimed that its workers “serve to destabilize world peace”.

That act of malice by itself should be sufficient to erase Trump from the longest long list.

Clearly, the worthiest candidate for the Nobel peace prize, whether its name was submitted before the deadline or not, is USAID. Since its founding under John F Kennedy in 1961, USAID has supported extensive programs on global health, food security, education and democratic development that, by addressing the root causes of instability and poverty, had promoted a more free, peaceful and prosperous world for 64 years until Trump destroyed it.

As a general rule, there should be no shame attached to an organized effort to win the prize by Trump or others. Trump’s lobbying, though, is stained, as is much else about him, by perverse statecraft that has fostered conflict where none previously existed and his unquenchable need for cult-like worship.

Several world leaders, such as Benjamin Netanyahu, have written in support of Trump’s nomination at his behest, cynically calculating that it would curry favor for their own often nefarious and warlike purposes. Trump personally pressured India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, to write a letter based on the lie that it was Trump who had “solved” a recent military conflict with Pakistan. Modi was alienated by the improper request. After his refusal to submit a false statement, Trump imposed a 50% tariff on India, which sent Modi flying into the arms of China. There is no existing international prize for this sort of willfully destructive behavior.

The encomiums from Trump’s closest aides hailing him as the best candidate are symptoms of the sycophancy that is the eternal mark of authoritarian regimes. Fitting the historical pattern, obsequiousness within a cult of personality substitutes for honesty, fact and evidence. Trump punishes and purges forthright counsel, suppresses factual intelligence and expert information that is not falsified or distorted to achieve predetermined results, and dismisses evidence regarding medicine, the environment and energy derived from the scientific method.

The tenor of unctuous servility was perfectly voiced by Steven Witkoff, Trump’s all-purpose international representative, speaking at an August cabinet meeting. “There’s only one thing I wish for,” he said, “that the Nobel committee finally gets its act together and realizes that you are the single finest candidate since this Nobel award was ever talked about.”

The phrasing of Witkoff’s praise is eerily reminiscent of the words uttered in the 1962 film The Manchurian Candidate by the character of Major Ben Marco, played by Frank Sinatra, who has been brainwashed as a prisoner of war held by the North Koreans. He repeats over and over again his admiration for an army sergeant from his unit who has been programmed to be a political assassin on behalf of both the communists and the American far right. “Raymond Shaw,” says Major Marco, “is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.” In the movie, Shaw is awarded a prize – the Congressional Medal of Honor – based on the brainwashed testimony of his fellow soldiers.

“No matter what I do, they won’t give it up and I’m not politicking for it,” Trump said. He suggested the efforts to grant him the prize were spontaneous: “I have a lot of people that are.” When he was handed a nomination letter that Netanyahu had submitted, Trump said: “They will never give me a Nobel peace prize. I deserve it.”

But Trump’s ludicrous hypocrisy about not pulling levers behind the curtain to solicit nomination also is not a conclusive reason to deny him the prize.

Trump’s rancor about not receiving the prize that has not yet been awarded is exactly the same as his resentment that he did not get an Emmy for his reality TV show The Apprentice. For years he ranted: “Should have gotten it.” “I got screwed out of an Emmy.” “The Emmys are all politics.” “Con game.” “Irrelevant.” Then, like the Emmy, he claimed the 2020 presidential election was “rigged” and organized an insurrection to overthrow the democratic result. In his paranoid chain of things wrongly denied him, now it’s the Nobel. Fill in the blank.

Trump’s longing for the prize also reflects his anger that Barack Obama received it. Trump’s animus against Obama about the Nobel followed his viciously contrived birther campaign. “Affirmative action,” said Trump. “Rigged.” “He had no idea why he got it.” “If I were named Obama, I would have had the Nobel prize given to me in 10 seconds.”

The diplomatic and political friction that Trump has gratuitously produced between the US and Norway with his offensive remarks should also not be the decisive issue that affects the judgment of the committee. In 2018, Trump said: “Why do we want all these people from Africa here? They’re shithole countries … We should have more people from Norway.” His comment evoked nationwide disgust in Norway. “On behalf of Norway: thanks, but no thanks,” tweeted a politician representing Norway’s Conservative party.

Trump’s recent 15% tariff levied on Norway, despite its insignificant trade deficit, has damaged its fishing industry. His antipathy toward renewable forms of energy, throwing the entire wind power industry into chaos, has cost the Norwegian state-owned energy company Equinor, which had an ongoing wind project off New York, about $1bn. In July, Trump called the Norwegian finance minister, Jens Stoltenberg, the former head of Nato, “out of the blue”. “He wanted the Nobel prize – and to discuss tariffs,” a Norwegian newspaper reported. But none of these offensive, obnoxious and even malign actions should be dispositive in whether Trump receives the prize.

The reasons for denying him the award are much more fundamental and salient. His disqualification for the Nobel is not that he an inveterate liar, transparent faker and bungling schemer. It is that he meets other much more germane and dangerous criteria that were engraved for humankind epochs before the peace prize was ever conceived.

Within mere months since reassuming office Trump has become a harbinger across the globe of war, famine, disease and death. The standards by which he should be judged are those described in the Book of Revelation (6:1–8) by the appearance of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. Trump rides or presumes to ride all of those dreaded emblems of destruction, which do not foretell any glorious coming of peace, a new heaven and new earth, or prophesy a cleansing moment for repentance, but instead carnage followed by dictatorship and plagues without end.

Specifically, rather than biblically, Trump has been an enabler of war. By his actions, he has supported Netanyahu’s offensive war for the complete ethnic cleansing and destruction of Gaza. Through his refusal to put conditions on $17.8bn in military assistance, Trump has made it possible for Netanyahu to ignore the advice of the Israeli army and intelligence leadership not to continue and expand that war.

Trump has called for the US to “take over” and “own” Gaza to turn it into a “Riviera of the Middle East”. This entity would generate profits through a US-led trusteeship, private investment in mega-construction projects and the “voluntary” relocation of Palestinians. Trump has held a White House meeting about a plan dubbed the Gaza Reconstitution, Economic Acceleration and Transformation Trust – or “Great Trust” – that envisions building the “Gaza Trump Riviera and Islands” and the “Elon Musk Manufacturing Zone” and paying Palestinians $5,000 to relocate. Under this plan, Trump would personally profit in violation of the emoluments clause of the constitution.

On Ukraine, Trump initially agreed to the European proposal for a ceasefire that would result in new sanctions if Vladimir Putin did not comply. But as soon as he was face to face with Putin at their summit in Alaska, Trump crumbled to take Putin’s side. The consequence has been the intensification of Russian bombing of Ukrainian civilian targets – as well as the European Union headquarters in Kyiv. Trump’s undermining of the ceasefire initiative was his latest gesture toward Putin of admiration and deference.

The Trump White House has said it will “not rule out” military action to seize Greenland, a semi-independent territory of Denmark, a Nato member. Meanwhile, Denmark reports that Trump has deployed political personnel close to the White House to Greenland to agitate for a US takeover and to prepare for possible US military operations there. On 28 August, Denmark’s foreign minister summoned the top US diplomat to warn the Trump administration against its covert influence operation.

Trump has repeatedly laid claim to the territory of the Panama Canal Zone and threatened to use military force to seize it. These threats were apparently made in part to pressure the government of Panama to reduce or eliminate the bill for taxes on Trump Organization properties that they were accused of evading there. In 2017, a joint Reuters-NBC News investigation reported that the Trump Ocean Club International hotel and tower in Panama City was a front for international money laundering for narcotics trafficking, dubbed Narco-a-Lago. The Trump Organization asserted it bore no responsibility for the activity within its units.

Trump has also repeatedly laid claim to the entire nation of Canada, another Nato member, to be occupied by and added to the United States as a single state. The White House has refused to rule out the use of military force for that purpose.

On 21 June, Trump ordered Operation Midnight Hammer, a surprise, coordinated air strike on Iranian nuclear facilities at Fordow, Natanz, Isfahan and other locations. The mission involved B-2 bombers dropping massive ordnance penetrator (MOP) “bunker buster” bombs on the Fordow site and other weapons against the other facilities. When Lt Gen Jeffrey Kruse, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, reported a preliminary intelligence assessment that Iran’s nuclear capability had not been “obliterated”, as Trump had boasted, he was summarily fired.

Trump has claimed to have brokered a peace agreement between Azerbaijan and Armenia, after the parties came to the White House for a ceremony to sign a peace treaty. Both governments, however, subsequently acknowledged that this was a publicity stunt designed to help Trump with his campaign for the peace prize and that no peace agreement was actually concluded.

Trump’s claim to have brokered a peace agreement between India and Pakistan was yet another stunt to burnish his credentials for the prize. When he was snubbed by Modi, Trump used it as a pretext for imposing a punitive tariff. His claim to have brokered a peace agreement between Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the withdrawal of Rwandan forces from DRC soil was similarly false. Rwanda-controlled M23 rebels remain on DRC soil, committing massacres in 14 villages in July, and the peace agreement is a fiction.

Trump has also enabled the Netanyahu government’s campaign of famine against the population of Gaza, granting Netanyahu impunity for his starvation project, while ordering the US representative to the United Nations not to sign a statement from all 14 other members of the security council that the famine in Gaza is a “man-made crisis” and in violation of international law.

A huge famine also rages in Sudan, connected in significant part to the proxy war fought there by a US ally, the United Arab Emirates. Trump’s decision to stop all USAID relief operations as part of his administration’s wholesale demolition of the agency has made the Sudan famine far more acute. As a result, more than 80% of emergency food kitchens have shut down. The Norwegian Refugee Council (NRC) and the International Rescue Committee (IRC) have stated that the funding cuts are directly contributing to deaths from starvation and disease. The NRC warned that inaction has allowed Sudan’s crisis to worsen “beyond measure”.

Besides creating the conditions for famine, Trump’s decision to terminate USAID could lead to more than 14 million additional preventable deaths globally by 2030, according to an authoritative July 2025 study in the British medical journal the Lancet – “a staggering number of avoidable deaths”.

According to the report, “USAID funding was associated with a 65% reduction in mortality from HIV/Aids (representing 25.5 million deaths), 51% from malaria (8 million deaths), and 50% from neglected tropical diseases (8.9 million deaths)”, among significant decreases in many other diseases. But Trump has wiped out all these programs.

At home, Trump has eviscerated the National Institutes for Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and withheld $2.6bn from Harvard University in federal funds including for medical research on cancer and other diseases. After an armed man with a semi-automatic rifle opposed to vaccines fired 150 rounds into the CDC headquarters in Atlanta and murdered a police officer, Trump said absolutely nothing. He has been a stalwart against any restriction on guns, which are almost without exception the weapons used in school massacres, mass shootings and violent crime.

“I looked,” reads the Book of Revelation, “and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
09 Oct 2025, 21:25
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09 Oct 2025, 21:25#8

Trump has been an enabler of war, famine, disease and death ...

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
09 Oct 2025, 22:07
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09 Oct 2025, 22:07#9

He is complicit in the destruction of the Palestinian nation and the continuing devastation of Ukraine. The fact that he has been nominated is of little consequence (Hitler was too) and reflects poorly on the nominators.

Dr Peter van den Dungen

Visiting fellow, Norwegian Nobel Institute, 2000


Trump’s retreat from international institutions, and his wish to take over Greenland from The Kingdom of Denmark, a Nato ally, as well as infringements on basic democratic rights within his own country, do not align well with Nobel’s will.”

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Oct 2025, 22:12
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09 Oct 2025, 22:12#10

“I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war’….Book of Revelations

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
09 Oct 2025, 23:22
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09 Oct 2025, 23:22#11

Top of the Ticket cartoon

(David Horsey / Los Angeles Times)

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
10 Oct 2025, 01:17
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10 Oct 2025, 01:17#12
2025

new


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Oct 2025, 02:40
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10 Oct 2025, 02:40#13

Blob you have confused the Revelation horses….up you game. And might I add be more economical in your posting.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
10 Oct 2025, 03:39
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10 Oct 2025, 03:39#14

The Committee frowns on people who campaign for the prize and prefer people who work in the background or quiet diplomacy.

Yes, I doubt whether the committee would be favorable to a loudmouth authoritarian.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Oct 2025, 05:47
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10 Oct 2025, 05:47#15

The fact is it wil never happen and Trump said he is not interested because the prize lost its value. Obama gdt t he prize in 2012 becase he ended the Iraq War - but he did not becaiuse it was a move that was implemented without proper planning, The result was that in 2013 problems involving ISIS which invaded Iraq and took over vast area of the country. By 2014 the position became critical and in 2014 Obama sent 200 military advisors with instructions in no way to get involved in battles.


By 2017 ISIS after conquered 80% of Iraq was threatening Baghdad and Trump had to send in US troopa to wipe out ISIS - which was done within 4 months when ISIS and their leader fled and hid in Northern Syria. So of what positive value was the Obama award from a peace perspective - Zero. It was one from a political and proganda perspective necessay - but the killing of the ISIS leader was codemned by the leftist media and they went into hysetria about how bad Trump was because they said the ISIS leader was an exemplary father.


It is viewing iro the Obama case it detracted from the value of the Nobel Peace Prize amd Trump has lost interest in such an award anyway,


The fact is that the Finnish President said he saw the 20 point peace plan aimed at making the ME a peaceful area which was the best diplomatic document he has ever seen and congratulated Trump in getting the support of most of the Muslim countries in helping with the ME issue.


The issue of Ukraine came up with when the President of Finland said it was wrong to buy oil and gas from Russia despite the sanctions the Autopen approved, So he was honest enough to admit something some EU leaders denied they did, Not much progress is made with the Ukraine issue at present and the fact is that together Ulraaine and Russia led to killing of 7 000 soldiers a week.






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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Oct 2025, 06:11
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10 Oct 2025, 06:11#16

BB


I enjoyed the above cartoon - it is because the donkey is the symbol of the Democratic Party in the USA - the dismal media even fucked up that one.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
10 Oct 2025, 08:50
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10 Oct 2025, 08:50#17

How can a Peace Prize be awarded to someone who is waging WAR against his own people?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Oct 2025, 10:23
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10 Oct 2025, 10:23#18

What war BB?


Illegal migrants are not his own people and when they are a threat through criminality it gets much worse, Wh atsoever you believe he real fact is that the Democrats allowed criminality increase limitlessly and in cases where less it does not mean the murderers are arrested or charged. About a third of the murderers were norally charged and get away by claiming they are sex change cases and have psychological problems for leftist judges not sentenced,


A war against the people of the USA were organized and incited by the Democrats - it happened in the case of the riots in 2020 - the Hamas riots in 2024 - the riots in Los Angeles. Itw as never supposed to looting and arson - but also murder of people and attack on the police, It was never covered in the media truthfully - but it cost the DP in the 2024 dearly when the Blacks and Hispanics revolted in their own way. Millions of Blacks and Hispanics voted for Trump - while millions did not vote at all. That should tell you something. At this stage according to opinion poles only 30% of the voters trust the Democratic Party as a potential future Governemnt.


Another thing is that the main aim of the Republican Party is reduced criminality in cities like Washington, Chicago and Washington. Three weeks ago in gun battles between gangs in Chocago fond 24 peple kiiled and 56 wounded. The main game si to take over crimefig hting from impotent local police and virtually never charged, In the case of Washington 72 people arrested for murders and over 500 illegala rms confiscated and who benefot most from the clear-up? The ordinary people of Washington who came in their thousands ofordianry people who t thanked the soldiers and FBI polic agents for saving them from a dreadful situation. That is for reala nd not repoprd in the media you get your info from.


In teh USA there are companies organizing and funding riots by employing protestors and at present there are investigating the funding sources of those organisations and some real investigations are under way and what is going to be expected is the Demcorats used BLM and Antifa as riot organiizers by the Demcoratic Party - and it was already exposed that th e DP used USAID to pay BLM $3 billion for their eladership to pay for extremely expensove homes and cars, Antifa has such a bad record for murders and attacks on people that the organization - a factual terrorist subsidiary of the Democratic Party - has been banned as an organization and its members will be face terrorism charges and that is why their funders and source of fding and although what came out is expected to elad to many people be arrested,


What the media claimed is protests aimed agaisnt ICE in fact is not the only reasons for rump sending troops and F BI agents toc otoes is to fight actual crimes not handled at all by local Police - who on instruction of the local DP are are to cover for there own crime protection policies, Those include release from prison within 24 hours without charging criminals in terms of guidliness changing 96 crimes to misdemeanors. In the two cases of 2 recnet murders the murderer had over 90 where the murderers were never charged after release of the murderers were not in jail where they belong . In he one case mentioned on site - the Ukraine women - he was in jail unmtil January this year when he ws released after covering 1 year in prison of a 4 year sentense. That ws despite he objectionof the mother of the murderer, objected to his release in January on the basis of him being violent.


In he case of the Leftwing extremsists ruling the DP the idea is that criminals are pushed ino crime by a society that throuh force them into cime. In essence the USA has serious ills and most of the collapse of justice in the US are the results of ultra-left political conduct.




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Oct 2025, 17:51
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10 Oct 2025, 17:51#19

Waging war against his own people?


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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
10 Oct 2025, 20:36
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10 Oct 2025, 20:36#20

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
10 Oct 2025, 20:40
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10 Oct 2025, 20:40#21

LA Washington Chicago Portland ..........

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
10 Oct 2025, 21:30
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10 Oct 2025, 21:30#22

Putin and Netanyahu both apparently recommended Trump for the global peace award....


Both Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu publicly supported President Donald Trump for a major global peace award, specifically the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize. Netanyahu nominated Trump, citing his efforts towards brokering peace in the Middle East, including a significant peace initiative aimed at ending the war in Gaza.


Netanyahu stated, “President Trump deserves it. The facts speak for themselves,” emphasising Trump’s peace-making role.


Vladimir Putin also openly endorsed Trump’s candidacy. While acknowledging that the final decision rested with the Nobel Committee, Putin credited Trump with making genuine efforts to resolve longstanding and complex international conflicts, especially pointing to Trump’s activity around ceasefires in Gaza and Ukraine.


Putin criticised the Nobel Committee, saying some of its awards went to people who "did nothing for peace," and noted that such decisions have damaged the prize's reputation.


Despite these endorsements, Trump did not win the Nobel Peace Prize in 2025. The award went instead to Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado, and both Putin and Netanyahu expressed disappointment with the committee’s choice.


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
10 Oct 2025, 22:49
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10 Oct 2025, 22:49#23

Ave Maria !

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Oct 2025, 23:26
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10 Oct 2025, 23:26#24

SB


There was another threat on that one and you stop your normal BS. The whole story is about serial B S once again. There is nothing Trump wants to get that reward because of the one given to Obama wa horseshit. In dumness there wer similar nominations from Biuddist monks from Laos and Cambodia as well - but there is zero evidence that Trump had any role to play iro the Peace Price and he certainly cannot prevent other people from bing nominated,


The New awarded Peace Price given to Maria Machado they gave her history and reason something was leftg out:-


Read the following:-


"The US welcomes the successful rescue of all hostages held by the Maduro regime at the Argentinian Embassy in Caracas," Rubio wrote in a post on X. "Following a precise operation, all hostages are now safely on US soil."

Venezuelan forces had surrounded the embassy since last year, where the five politicians opposed to President Nicolás Maduro had been taking refuge.

Venezuela's opposition leader Maria Corina Machado said she was thankful "to all those who made it possible".

Machado hailed their escape as "an impeccable and epic operation for the freedom of five heroes".


"Venezuelan forces had surrounded the Argentine embassy since last year, where the five politicians opposed to President Nicolás Maduro had been taking refuge.

Venezuela's opposition leader Maria Corina Machado said she was thankful "to all those who made it possible".

Machado hailed their escape as "an impeccable and epic operation for the freedom of five heroes".


It is not clear who the five rescued politicians were - since the names of the politicians involved have never been revealed since they have to hide in the USA. Hiding in the USA the politicns are not out of the danger they faced in Venezuela because thousands of gangsters of the Venezuela Gangsters were allowed by the Autopen Regime into the USA, They would murder them if so instructed by Maduro and his criminal gangsters.


It was never confirmed that Machado was evacuated - but CNN said they are going to get an interview from her soon - which means she is one of the evacuated politicians. Incidentally the escape was to the A rgentine Embassy - since the elected Conservative candidate won the Argentine Presidency was one of the first leaders who met woth before his inauguration in 2025


At present the USA Navy has departed warships to control the Venezuelan coast but the criminal Communist regime fears that Venezuela will be invaded with the aim to stop of the Maduro dictatprshipbeing in .If that invasion happen the screaming of the Trump-haters on site will be limiless,


Happy Idiots Day to you lot.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
10 Oct 2025, 23:27
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10 Oct 2025, 23:27#25

Epstein also recommended Trump from the grave.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Oct 2025, 23:46
#26
10 Oct 2025, 23:46#26

Whenever you realize you are writing BS on site you run to your soulmate Epstein. What a star BStrer? LMAO



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Oct 2025, 23:46
#27
10 Oct 2025, 23:46#27

Duplication

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Oct 2025, 00:45
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11 Oct 2025, 00:45#28

Portland, Chicago, Washington and LA are instances of actually enforcing the law. If they weren’t it would all be in the Supreme Court. Chicago has just lost Walgreens, another Fortune 500 company…commercial office space is at 72% utilization, apartments are selling for less than they cost in the 90s, drug gangs are very active, people who can are leaving. The city desperately needs to regain the confidence of residents and businesses which would benefit all, the poor most of all

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
11 Oct 2025, 00:59
#29
11 Oct 2025, 00:59#29


Chicago, Illinois, US

Federal officers hold down a protester in the Brighton Park neighbourhood of Chicago after demonstrators learned that US Border Patrol shot a woman in the city’s southwest side. Donald Trump this week called for the imprisonment of Brandon Johnson, Chicago’s mayor, and JB Pritzker, the Illinois governor, accusing them of failing to protect US Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers. Trump’s remarks come as national guard troops have begun arriving in the Chicago area at the order of the Trump administration.

Photograph: Anthony Vazquez/Chicago Sun-Times/AP



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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
11 Oct 2025, 01:55
#30
11 Oct 2025, 01:55#30

Trump took aim at Chicago’s sanctuary policies and depicted it as crime-infested On Saturday, he posted to Truth Social: “Chicago about to find out why it’s called the Department of WAR,” but he walked back that statement on Sunday. His stated plan is to deploy the national guard to the city to combat crime, as he has done in Los Angeles and Washington DC. However, the city’s crime rate over the summer was the lowest in 60 years, according to WBEZ.


lol lowest in 60 yrs

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Oct 2025, 04:20
#31
11 Oct 2025, 04:20#31

What they don’t tell you is the population in 1965 was 3.5million and today it’s 2.7 million. And it’s not the crime rate they are reporting it’s the shootings. Stores are boarded up along Michigan Avenue and fear of crime remains at very high levels.


Shootings went up during Covid and have declined since then, but are still abysmally high. Crime rates fluctuate, they have declined and then gone back up before. And the city continues to lose high tax payers to the suburbs, largely because of safety concerns, because crimes like car jackings haven’t remained confined to poorer areas.


US cities in general, including Chicago have ‘lived with’ higher crime rates as more or less unsolvable.Given what we saw through 2024 Federal intervention made sense. The numbers have dropped in 2025 in many cities, but if the criminal element is not rooted out, it will rise again once there is a new stimulus,

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
11 Oct 2025, 04:36
#32
11 Oct 2025, 04:36#32

The Chicago Police Department has approximately 12,000 sworn officers out of a total of over 13,500 budgeted positions for 2025, making it one of the largest police departments in the nation.


They can cope & you know it.

The power of the cult ... scary & sad.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
11 Oct 2025, 06:57
#33
11 Oct 2025, 06:57#33

They can cope & you know it.


They can? Based on what do you say that? Give us your experience of city policing, or any basis whatsoever for your claim.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Oct 2025, 09:31
#34
11 Oct 2025, 09:31#34

BB


You cant cope with the idiocy you suffer from. Let me explain - the muder rate is down - but only 30% of the murderers face charges in court. More are rrrested by are leased within 24 hours without aying bail and then vanished, An example ove the weekend three weeks ago gun battles between gangs caused the death of 12 people. The next weekend other cgun bttles between gangs erupted and another 12 people killed sand 22 wounded. Non one has sinmce be arrested and in Chicago even f Police arrest gunfighters they being charged just would not happen.


Clifinia is a similar case where criminality took over, Since 2011 more than 1 500 000 fled from Caifornia aad a few hundred ended up in Acapulco in Mexico. When in onteriws the latter peoplew ere asked why they fled from California to Mexico he same answer came out repearedly that "te California G amgs are far more dangerous han the Mexcan Cartels could eve be,"


The media claimed the arrests in Democratic Party controlled citied are aimed only at illegal migrants - but inm fasct is BS. But thar isa lie - the main problem is fighting of endemic crime in such cities may be lower - but so is arrest levels. The situation is factually that even when murderers car hijackers and rapist are arrested by the Police theya rere;eased within 24 hours and charges more often than not they are never charged with crimes they have committed because of Demcoratco Party rules about anti-crime actions which include shorter sentences even if people are charged. They are released from jail early before is a typical example as to what happened in such cases A child murderer was found guilty and given a sentence of 20 years in jail. He was released in January this year. He went to love near a primary school. Complaints by the local parents led to the FBI arresting him and revoking his crazy early relase from jail.


The killers of the Urainian girl was a similar case, He was arrested 91 crimes and was out of jail early - even his moher cmplaint against his reliece and compamuined about his reliece because he is violent. There are literally thousands of such cases. Another example is the so-called San Pedro gang starting operation linked to one of the major Mexocan carels. In 2006 the FBI and although major evidence came out since 2006 no charges wer elaid agaisnt gangster bosses, The problem was the local DA's and the California AG refised to lay chages and tha ent onm till two weeks 14 crime bosses were arrested and this time around they are dfederal prisoners that the vlifornia system of releasng of arrested criminals based on California state leglslation does not apply in this case. The D St edro gang cnsist of 532 members still to be rounded up.


It is not the policing only - it is the sick criminal-friendly policies of the DP that undermine crimefighting. So thew ay t overcome that the FBi and Justcie Department decided to emdemic criminalty in States and cities using fictional reports in their strongholds that crime is down when it in fact is lies are part of the DP campaign to be dealt with actua' crimefighting in the USA,


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
11 Oct 2025, 11:57
#35
11 Oct 2025, 11:57#35

Batshit Bob hates the law being enforced...whatever Trump does is evil, whatever his opponents do is right...TDS to the extreme.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Oct 2025, 16:38
#36
11 Oct 2025, 16:38#36

So think about this Blob…..crime is down in almost all US cities. So it’s likely there is some broader factor than Chicago policing at play. What could that be? Well the big change is the amount of money poured into cities by the Dems as part of the Biden covid recovery and consequent inflation plan.


Crime is mostly small crime….a junkie that needs to buy his drugs and decides some old lady walking her dog is a good target. The more this kind of small criminal is funded by the government the less need to take a risk for his fix today.


I haven’t seen a good study on all this, but it makes sense to me given it’s so broadly true. What other measure could it be? Which means the underlying problem has in all likelihood not been fixed at all. Most US cities still have a serious crime problem.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Oct 2025, 13:52
#37
12 Oct 2025, 13:52#37

BB


Kisy for your information according to statstcs the following is the following,


Washington was statistically the most dangerous captil city in the world


Chicago and New Orleans are the most dangerous cities to live in on both the North and South American contnents,




TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
13 Oct 2025, 20:57
#38
13 Oct 2025, 20:57#38

Prize winners reflect on the prize. So if Trump gets it, it will reflect on the prize. Other people are going to ask why they should not get it.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 Oct 2025, 02:19
#39
14 Oct 2025, 02:19#39

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