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Roe and Wade... How Republicans can lose election

Started by sharkbok20 REPLIES526 VIEWS· 25 Jun 2022, 16:01
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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
25 Jun 2022, 16:01
#1
25 Jun 2022, 16:01#1

Joe Biden has been hopeless, and it looked certain that the opposition would take over the house in mid-term elections- which appears to be standard in American politics.

Mid-elections appear to be voting against in the incumbent government rather than for the other party, signalling people are not happy with politicians.  

Although Roe & Wade alone may be enough for people to vote against Republicans (not actually vote for Biden). 

Abortion is the most contentious issue, especially late-term abortions. Ideally, people were married before having kids which would solve this problem. 

Biden needs to be disposed of, along with the belly laugher. Bring in Hillary Clinton who has brains and experience.  
The supreme court is out of touch with reality, and they need to be changed. They are not in a 21st-century reality, and should not be in the job. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Jun 2022, 16:09
#2
25 Jun 2022, 16:09#2

Oh, you recon? please explain that logic.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Jun 2022, 17:38
#3
25 Jun 2022, 17:38#3

Hillary Clinton was a disaster as Secretary of State and her background contains many unexplained financial windfalls.  She is too old and too disliked.

As for the Supreme Court, they are tasked with upholding the  Constitution….the Roe vs Wade decision was not based on their opinions, it was based on their interpretation of the Constitution.

That said, I have long felt this could only hurt the Republicans. It does make the mid terms harder to call. In all honesty though any decent human being shouldn’t tolerate late term abortions. Nor should children or rape victims ever be forced to continue a pregnancy.

Once again the decent, humane middle ground can’t be found.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Jun 2022, 17:52
#4
25 Jun 2022, 17:52#4

Abortion is a left rally point...it will rally lefties, but it won't sway the middle to the left...not like it suddenly made abortions illegal anyway...it's just not a federal basic right anymore. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Jun 2022, 17:58
#5
25 Jun 2022, 17:58#5

It’s going to fire up the left….just like Trump’s personality fired up the left. In the USA the margins are so slim these kind of things decide elections .

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
25 Jun 2022, 18:06
#6
25 Jun 2022, 18:06#6

Inflation and high fuel prices fired up the right, the center and even some of the left...if there's not a massive red wave, they're cheating even more than Trump thinks they are.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Jun 2022, 18:44
#7
25 Jun 2022, 18:44#7

Mozart

Although the SC decision was only delivered yesterday the actual information was known mire than a month ago as a result of a leak.   In the same month Biden's (and consequently the  Democrats) have taken a further drop in one pole from 42% approval ratings of Biden  dropped by 7% to 35%,

During the period when the decision was leaked  there was a special election in District 35 in Texas flipped from Democrat to Republican.  Interesting - the voters in that District are 84% Hispanics  and Biden's approval rating  of 24% amongst Hispanics spells disaster for the Democrats.

The Democrats will lose their majority in the House and Senate because of poli cies of the Democrats causing inflation, the open order scenario and the other disasters of the Democrats.    

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Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
25 Jun 2022, 18:44
#8
25 Jun 2022, 18:44#8

Trump didnt' fire up anyone, neither did anything like abortion specifically. It's evil people who resort to violence and destruction when they don't get what they want or what they are told they want. Think about that, where did this idea that abortion is a feminist issue and about the rights and power of females? They dont' fucking cry about it because its what they actually want, its because they are told they are losing out and that they should fight for it. That's it. I've lost count of how many females I have heard say shit like "I didn't know I was oppressed until x, y, z". usually going to university or mixing up in some fringe sjw group. You cannot please these people and trying to find a middle ground to appease them has only resulted in them getting what they want and everyone else being fucked in the ass and suffering what these assholes create in society. The answer should be no and they should be purged from society. Rape is also a pretty shitty example because the body responds to forced sex and that makes it VERY unlikely that a pregnancy is going to happen at all. We're talking like 0.01% of total abortions. We look at the ideas and beliefs of the gloablists and its pretty fucking obvious where we are headed. climate change is earth worship, and that has always involved child sacrifice. We already have these leftist fucks with pentagrams, hexagrams, baphomet and 666 etc. its satanic and they are already primed for this shit. feminist movement has its origin in ancient Greece with the name maenads (raving ones). female bacchus/dionysus worship. Give these assholes what they want and now you are really fucked! As if America wasn't in enough shit as it is!

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
25 Jun 2022, 19:12
#9
25 Jun 2022, 19:12#9

Independents win elections if they vote. Anything that is extreme is going to upset independents, making them more likely to vote. 

Roe and Wade should push more independent voters left,  especially women. Is it enough against inflation though... It just depends on how many people blame Russia for inflation, as it is a global problem. The Wests sanctions have caused the crisis, but it was Putin who caused the war. 

The Trump investigations combined with the Supreme Court's dubious perception may also push more independents left for the next election cycle.
Inflation will be fixed, but it is not clear when. The illegal immigrant problem is a continued disaster under the current government. 

More countries around the world look like they are going to get into energy production so the West is no longer dependent on dictatorial regimes. Supply could increase by year's end. Green energy will continue to improve, but that is only a medium-term option. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jun 2022, 00:29
#10
26 Jun 2022, 00:29#10

Why are you repeating media BS and not facts.   The Roe-Wade case  resulted in a decision to what is contrary to the  normal reliance on common law norms in democratic countries.

What  is the real meaning of the new decision based entirely on accepted norms.   It means that the individual States will undertake the decision-making on abortion legislation and it is not the function of the SC or more importantly the Federal Government to have a role in that scenario.   

Individual States must pass legislation on the issue of abortion.     In States where most Democrats live and vote the effect would be they may lay down the most liberal abortions law in their own legislation and that would be  end of it.  In other States  the legislation would be more strict - but that depends on the voters in each state to deal with.

There is nothing wrong with that decision and in the end it could have in Democratic States no effect on abortions at all.    This will hit home with the voters that they will have to decide on the issue - nobody else.    In other words - return the power to the people - something hated by the Democrats and the leftist media.      Hence the lie that the Decision bans abortions.        

     

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
26 Jun 2022, 00:44
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26 Jun 2022, 00:44#11

No dummy, cities are mostly Democratic in the US, even in red states. If they are not majority Democratic, they still have a lot of Democratic women and independent (unaffiliated).

Rural areas are more Republican, even in Blue states. That much was clear in the last election. 
Populations are growing in cities, and shrinking in rural areas so that will impact future voting. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jun 2022, 08:50
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26 Jun 2022, 08:50#12

So what does your rumblings mean - near to zero.    The cities who are over-whelmingly Democrat are Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco  and Chicago - the murder capitals in the USA.  The Democrats are going to be destroyed in the rest of the USA because of Biden and th crazy Socialist policies of the Democrats.

Go and see what the Opinion Polls say about the direction of the USA Government - they claim that over 80% of the US population think  the USA are on the wrong track and 72% claim Congress are doing a shit job.   Do you really think that helps the Democrats - the main cause of the misery of all people in the country?

If you do not realize that the people are realizing that they are being lied to by the Democrats on issues you must be kidding yourself.     But then suddenly trespassing by 600 unarmed civilians represents an "insurrection"  and they were lied to for five yeas about the Democrats about Russian Collusion.   Now that horrible Russians - with their low ranking in world economy as claimed  by Mozart is causing economical problems of a major nature in the USA.  Inflation and supply shortages - empty shop shelves - were major  problems before the Ukraine Invasion and are progressively getting worse - not because of the Russian Invasion - but the internal policies of the USA.

By the way - dimness - your hobby-horse idiocy about religion is total BS.   The Hispanics making up 23% of the voters in the USA  who voted  solidly Democrat in the past - are more religious than the other groups of voters and are overwhelmingly Roman Catholic.   Even the present Democratic Party House members are  against abortion - so how is that one going down in the areas where the Hispanics are making up the majority of the voters ?

The Democrats are desperate and that is the reason for the latest lies about the impact of the abortion ruling by the SC.    But then you thrive on media lies and that is all that you base arguments on.                                   .   .    

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Jun 2022, 08:53
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26 Jun 2022, 08:53#13

"Shelley Lynn Thornton (born June 2, 1970) is the biological daughter of Norma McCorvey. Also referred to by the pseudonym Roe Baby, she is the child at the center of Roe v. Wade. Her identity was not publicly known until 2021.[1]"

I wonder if she votes Democrat or Republican...

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jun 2022, 12:09
#14
26 Jun 2022, 12:09#14

Draad

Norma McCorvey  had three children still living and two were featured in an ABC interview,   Both were adopted by other people and brought up by them.    

Although in a recent interview with ABC both never contacted their real mother until she died in 2017.    Neither of them were ever contacted by their real mother and both grwew up as happy children in the homes of their adoptive parents.    Thornton had her own children after she got married  and certainly did not contemplate anything her mother did.   

Both of them try to stay out of the controversy and said so in the interview.   They never apparently had no contact with McCrory until 2017 - when she died.

It is obviously from the tone they adopted in both cases that it is a topic they don't want broadcasted  at all and they are clearly not happy being involved in the latest controversy,  My own impression from the interview is that they dislike abortions without proper legal control and both likely support the Republican Party.    .   .    

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Jun 2022, 12:31
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26 Jun 2022, 12:31#15
Viskop Everyone is feeling inflation in the place where it matters most. And that will be more important to more people than the abortion ruling. But…the Fed appear to be acting on a timeline related to the elections. They spoke about a soft landing initially and it’s obvious that it would have been preferable. The landing has been anything but soft thus far. They’re still sitting pretty in that markets keep showing signs of strength every time the latest hike is processed and the Fed shuts its mouth for a few weeks. Meaning, they may be doing a patch job on the US economy in order to have it look “presentable” by the time the mid-terms roll around in 6 months. The idea is, aggressively hike rates, find the market bottom, reduce rates and claim everything is back on track a month out from the elections.At that point, CNN and pals talk about how strong the economy is and how the brave warriors of the Democratic party fought through the terrible economy that Trump left behind. All it’s takes is green on the charts, and MSM to be talking about how strong the economy is, for many people’s inflation fears to be eased to a degree. For me, i agree with quicker and more severe pain as a solution. However, the problem is that the quicker something drops, the less likely you are to be able to stop it at the level that you want to. The game they’re playing presents a real risk of dipping the US and the world into a recession. A leg or two more down and we’re there. And that would see the Dems lose both the mid-terms and the general presidential election after that. My guess is that we’ll see one or two more months of hawkish Powell and then from that point on he’ll be all love and good vibes…at least until after the election.
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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
26 Jun 2022, 13:26
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26 Jun 2022, 13:26#16

So ButtPlug, you have your finger on the pulse for what is happening in America... You know for certain that all Americans believe America has caused the global energy crisis and not Putin
 (or at least independents who decide elections)

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Jun 2022, 15:49
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26 Jun 2022, 15:49#17
Are you asking me if i think that the majority of independents think that the Dems caused the energy crisis? Well, i do think they did. The oil price was going ballistic all of last year…before Putin invaded Ukraine. https://markets.businessinsider.com/commodities/oil-price?type=wti&op=1
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jun 2022, 16:12
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26 Jun 2022, 16:12#18

SB

How would you know anything about the economic situation in the USA other than what you get from CNN and the fake media?    They claim that the economy is doing well - while Biden said that a recession   is acceptable and is  inevitable - he said it twice in recent speeches.  

So lets get it straight .- Biden's handlers and the leftists  think that a recession would be followed by a new flood of implementation of their ideas based on green energy and  other socialist measures.   The problem is the socialist ideas about the economy has infiltrated the WH and  the Great economy of the CNN is BS.  The  recovery after the Covid locldowns have not yet reached  the level it was  under Trump and there was no inflation and shortages leaving to empty shop shelves under him.

The reason for inflation has nothing to do with Putin.   According to Mozart the Russian economy is miniscule and unimportant - so how can the trade sanctions introduced by Biden have such dramatic  impact in the USA?    The gas prices increased before the Russian Invasion and got progressively worse afterwards and the people in the USA knows it perfectly well.   

The empty shop shelves were first found in June last year and the empty shelves in shops in November 2021 and the rising prices then was very much in evidence already - was that the result of the Putin invasion in February this year?   Only brain-dead idiots believe that.

Now let me advise you about something else.    The approval rating in polls indicates that =

*     amongst the 18 to 30 years old Biden approval rating is 24% :

*      amongst Hispanics and  Independents it is 267%.

That is not to be changed  by  the decision on Roe vs Wade by the SC.    the fake media is going to lie about what is actually in the ruling - but that is not going to help them at all.  The decision was leaked months ago and the official release a few days ago had zero impact on the opinion polls. 

In any event the Biden Government and his Socialist controllers are sabotaging the basic principles of economics totally and what ever they try is not going to work.   Let me explain - Biden  try to release oil from the National Strategic reserve twice - but it had no impact  pn the rise of fuel prices.  Now the stunt is to freeze the payment of Federal taxes of 18% on fuel.   I think there is a problem though  - the Federal Government is losing money essential to cover their administrative costs - so where will that money come from since the Democrats are not going to curtail spending?    So back to borrowing money to cover that expenditure increasing the US debt by that amount.    Every time that happens the US Dollar decrease in value in the world market.   Add to that the circa $50 billion the US is pumping into Ukraine and the rise is going to soon escalate from $23 Trillion under Trump  to $30 trillion under Biden.

Sorry SB - your hope for a win by the Dem ocrats in November will NOT be realized at all.     

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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jun 2022, 18:44
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26 Jun 2022, 18:44#19

Mozart

When the SC decision was leaked I saw something abut the fact that the SC Jdges were unhappy with the bribery and corruption attached to the abortion clinics  payments and procedures followed by the Clinics to get patients.

It has been known for years that the Federal Government pays the full costs of poorer patients treated by the Clinics on the basis  and monthly payments are based on the number of patients treated.

If the number of patients treated is low  it presents a problem so the clinics will offer potential patients $750 to have an abortion.   If that does not work - the clinics get the have artillery in.   Federal officials will then threatened the reluctant person with loss of government grants unless she gets an abortion and they can then then pocket the $750 dollars themselves.

Is there any sign of that being true?      .    ,     

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Jun 2022, 08:13
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27 Jun 2022, 08:13#20

 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Jun 2022, 09:49
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27 Jun 2022, 09:49#21

Borrowed somewhere on the interweb: 

"...this issue which addresses the power of states to determine their own policies regarding abortion has a deep and resonant effect for the American 'liberal' community, how can they be so consumed by a point of law, the 'allowing' of more conservative states to impose legal restraint on abortion: this is what they are hysterical about, this is a social trigger point because it recognizes the existence of alternative points of view. Thou Shalt not terminate thy children in this state = acknowledgement of religious and philosophical differences in the macro social context (wow, I should get a distinction for this sentence alone!); this means that not all people agree with abortion, shock!

We are poised on the precipice of humanity's destruction, social chaos and rampant violence, utter ruin but they get upset about people disagreeing about terminating pregnancy: Ironic or what?"

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