Now that that the Labour Party has made it clear that they would prefer a second referendum to a "damaging Tory Brexit", the chances of sanity returning have increased substantially and a second referendum is looking more and more likely.
Let's just hope the Brits don't screw up a second time!
Now to redress the other moment of madness from 2016 . . .
So the Labourr Party is self-destructing as well. They would not dare to have a second referendum on the issue - it would destroy both the Labout and Conservative Parties. The people who voted for Brexit are in the main the working class and they have been dealt a bad hand by the British Government for years. They blame the EU for their problems and what makes you think another referendum would have a different result?
Would they vote differently than what they did in 2016? I doubt it very, very much. the EU is in chaos and they have many countries rebelling against the EU already - Italy, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, etc France is in chaos as well and the Macron presidency is in disarray, So will the UK not find themselves in similar trouble if they try and remain in the EU.
Don't get bluffed by opinion polls - in 2016 they newspapers claimed in advance that the vote to remain in the EU would win easily and they lost badly. What makes you think it would be different in a new referendum? .
Ou Maaik, this is not based on an opinion poll, this is Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn at long last bowing to pressure within his own party and saying that Labour will now support a second referendum.
I think it's fair to say that the British people did not fully understand the ramifications of leaving the EU and after all the failed Brexit agreements and proposals that have happened since, they realise now that their votes in 2016 were largely ignorant and based on what short-sighted but charismatic fools like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage told them.
I reckon most intelligent Brits - even the leavers - now realise that remaining is actually better than a no-deal Brexit and time has run out for a negotiated or "soft" Brexit. That's why I think they'll vote differently if given a second chance.
If there is a second referendum and Britain does vote to remain then any future referendum to leave the EU should only be done after the mechanics of that exit have been negotiated and agreed to. The current situation is a complete and utter mess.
Public sentiment has changed here in the UK, and many people now want to remain in the EU. Germany is very progressive, and they know how to implement fair systems - and are actually much more modern than Britain in many ways. Left wing is good as it can help build up the middle class- as long as it is not a system that can be exploited by lazy people.
The house of parliament in the UK that pass the laws is actually not democratic. It is split into 2 bodies - the house of lords and the house of commons.
The house of commons deals with lots of stuff on it own, but when it is about land or class the house of Lords has a 50% vote (even though they make up less than 1% of the population).
Many people believe the only winners of an exit will be the house of Lords, who also own many assets overseas. So if the pound continues to weaken- which it will if Brexit happens- then they just get richer.
The house of Lords want to get rid of the EU rule, so they can bring back the feudal style of laws that favour birthright over capitalism. It is far right wing- Prince Charles and his crew.
As much as I believe that most people who voted, had absolutely no idea what the implications of that vote was, I also believe that offering a second opportunity to get it "right" is also wrong.
You are setting a very dangerous precedent that if the outcome of any vote is not the ideal one, then just hold another referendum to get the "right" decision
The UK is no longer a world economic power. The British colonies have been lost and the commonwealth is not what it once was. World War 1 and World War 2 resulted in the former British empire countries being given independence, and since that time they have developed. (except some like the African banana states).
In 10 years the UK may no longer even be in the top 10 economies in the world.
The East has grown considerably with countries like China and India having double-digit GDP.
The UK is only 60 million people, where these countries have more than 20 times the population size- and the UK needs the EU- at least for now.
If Brexit happens it should happen in the future- and be planned better. The no exit deal is stupid. All the uncertainty has tanked the pound by about 25% over the last 1.5 years. When I go on holiday it is nice converting pounds to another currency.
There should have been plans in place by now- but it seems that the only options are:
1. No deal exist (disaster)
2. Wait and see by extending Brexit as long as possible. Try work out some deals.
3. Cancel the Brexit initiative altogether.
I think the third one is the better option. I do think the public was lied to about Brexit- and it does seem that the House of Lords tried to shaft everyone.
The Bank of England recently said that they expect the effects of a no deal to be worse than the Credit Crunch which wiped off something like 20% of the economy. I don't want to go through a few years of economic decline like the credit crunch again. Once I am rich and I have assets overseas- I will signup with the house of Lords and shaft everyone. . A bit like the chicken runners that either left SA with their money- or swopped their SA shares for overseas shares.
"All of Mark Carney and the BOE’s record of Brexit predictions are suspect at best."
Fear mongering for the sheeple.
Rooinek
My nephew lives in Essex and was recently back in SA. The wide-held position of voters in England seems that Corbyn is an ex- Communist and largely distrusted by the voters. Only last week six MP's of Labour walked out of the party because of the way Corbyn is leading the Labour Party, Labour has a problem - most of the areas in the English Midlands and Northern England - the heartland of the Labour Party actually voted in favour of Brexit,
Any move to have another referendum could cause a major backlash against the Conservatives as well.
I do not believe that the EU on its own is the only reason for the decline in living standards of people in the UK, But the situation has been noticed in virtually all countries in Europe. That is why the previous Governing parties in a number of countries have been kicked out. Even in Germany the conservative AfD has grown by 19% in two years - while the CSU and Social Parties lost 25% support. France is in chaos, the EU parliamentary elections are coming and there is unhappiness of alarming proportions in most EU countries, Will that situation help the pro-EU votes in England? I think not.
The problem is that all European countries are feeling the pinch resulting from economic policies favouring the elite to be hated by the working classes. I can see a backlash against the global elite and it could become unpleasant.