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Self-Centred One Eyed Vision

Started by Seb6 REPLIES430 VIEWS· 27 Apr 2023, 17:10
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SebPro2,680 posts
27 Apr 2023, 17:10
#1
27 Apr 2023, 17:10#1

Yeah, exactly and it's programmed by Western media agendas to weaponise and destroy Russia.


Western lie, Neo Nazi's very small in Ukraine and no military or political influence. Really, how do you know that, do you live there, who told you that. Ah you say, my sources told me that and I believe my media.


Even Reuters, who is biased despite their denial (another smokescreen) says so, which I certainly don't trust wrote article :


Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem | Reuters

 

Tell me, even if they are irrelevant as Stavanger claims to be informed, LOL, if you have the slightest bit of honesty and fairness and could put yourself in Russian shoes would you feel about even 10000 Nazi's in your country (or next door) when you lost about 24 million people (including civilians) in WW2 fighting them??? What did they teach you at school...do you understand how many 24 million is, can you even comprehend that?? Apparently not, as most just sweep it aside.

There is probably a lot more than that but whatever the quantity is not really relevant, even a small group is enough to send shivers down ones spine. They started small in Germany after WW1.


Don't we understand the most basic understanding of psychology, or are we so blind, self-centred and programmed to dare venture a thought against our programmed robotic thought patterns.


There's an old saying, one of which we were taught in my school days, do unto others as you would like them to do to you.


We are being dehumanised and egocentric that we cannot see beyond ourselves.




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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
27 Apr 2023, 19:55
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27 Apr 2023, 19:55#2

https://lens.monash.edu/@politics-society/2022/08/19/1384992/much-azov-about-nothing-how-the-ukrainian-neo-nazis-canard-fooled-the-world

Much Azov about nothing: How the ‘Ukrainian neo-Nazis’ canard fooled the world

The Azov Regiment (sometimes erroneously still termed the Azov Battalion, though the latter folded in 2014) and the threat of “Ukrainian neo-Nazis” has attracted considerable Western press coverage since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February.

From 2014 to 2022, the Azov Regiment was based in the city of Mariupol in southeast Ukraine, and this year the Azov fighters gained global visibility as defenders of the city, which Russia conquered in May after a bloody two-month siege, destroying most of the city in the process.

The Azov Regiment is frequently invoked to conjure what Russian-Israeli historian Vyacheslav Likhachev calls the “myth [of] Ukrainian fascism”, and many Western press sources in 2022 continue to treat the association between “Azov Regiment/Battalion” and “Neo-Nazi” as axiomatic, with some even attempting to draw unsubstantiated links between Azov and white supremacist terrorists in the West.



The “What about Azov Nazis?” canard has become a ubiquitous tu quoque that Russia deploys to problematise Western support for Ukraine, and distract from its own record of atrocities. Literally meaning “you also” in Latin, this logical fallacy is more informally known as “whataboutism”, and has been deployed in Russian propaganda for decades. In cruder terms, one might recall the playground retort, “I know you are, but what am I?”

A ‘fairly typical’ fighting unit

Our media’s “obsession” with the Azov Regiment (the volunteer militia the Azov Battalion no longer exists) – a single unit of the Ukrainian National Guard – is based largely on superficial or out-of-date research.

Multiple expert assessments made in 2022 conclude the modern Azov Regiment is a fairly typical fighting unit, with little, if any, political bent.

There isn’t space to canvas all these in a short piece, but this is the conclusion of Anton Shekhovtsov, Ivan Gomza, Anders Umland, and Vyacheslav Likhachev. For a concise summary, Likhachev’s point-by-point rebuttal of the Azov-Nazi narrative comes highly recommended.

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The Azov Regiment of 2022 bears little relation to the ragtag militia the Azov Battalion of 2014, formed from a few dozen football hooligans, and – yes – far-right extremists.


Crucially, in late 2014, Azov was absorbed into the Ukrainian National Guard, allowing greater state oversight, with considerable attention paid to cleansing the ranks of far-right elements, in what should be recognised as an example of successful deradicalisation.

The Azov Regiment has been repeatedly reconstituted; its extremist early leaders such as the odious Andriy Biletsky are long gone, and, more recently, its fearsome, pseudo-pagan regimental emblem has been abandoned.

Both Shekhovtsov and Gomza describe Azov as “depoliticised”, with Umland writing “its recruits now join not because of ideology, but because it has the reputation of being a particularly tough fighting unit”.

Nonetheless, Russian state media makes endless reference to the diabolical “Azovtsy” to justify its brutal invasion of Ukraine.

An analysis of more than eight million Russian media pieces charts how the bogeyman of “Nazism” in Ukraine has saturated their media post-invasion, with the supposed threat of Azov “neo-Nazis” weaponised to justify Russia’s brutal destruction of Mariupol.

While we cannot expect integrity from Russian state channels, it’s lamentable that this trope also persists in our media.


A failure to engage with Ukrainian sources

The Azov-Nazi obsession demonstrates a remarkable failure to engage with Ukrainian sources, including the experiences of its Jewish community, which has long been scathing of the Russian claim that neo-Nazim is widespread in Ukraine.

Likhachev notes from that from 2014-2022 there were exactly zero reports of anti-Semitic incidents committed by Azov in Mariupol, despite the city’s sizeable Jewish community.

Anti-Semitism has little resonance even among more extreme Ukrainian nationalist elements, while polling demonstrates that Ukraine is among the least anti-Semitic and xenophobic countries in central-east Europe.

Ironically, neo-Nazi military units with thousands of soldiers under arms operate openly among the invading Russian forces.

Dmitry Utkin, the founder and commander of Wagner Group, the largest and most infamous Russian mercenary unit, is covered in Nazi tattoos that didn’t preclude him from being awarded Hero of the Russian Federation in 2016, including a photo op alongside Putin himself.

The commander of the affiliated “Rusich” brigade, the notorious sadist Aleksei Milchakov, answered, “I’ll tell you straight up, I’m a Nazi”, when asked in a recent interview about his political convictions.

Further, as Robert Horvath has recorded in his recent monograph, Putin’s Fascists, the Kremlin has actively built ties with neo-Nazi groups inside Russia to police internal dissent.

Anton Shekhovtsov’s Russia and the Western Far Right: Tango Noir documents Russia’s role as the key sponsor of the Western far right for decades.


The role of far-right symbolism

Frankly, photographs of both Ukrainian and Russian soldiers sporting tattoos or patches with far-right imagery aren’t difficult to find. As uncomfortable as this can sit with us, Gomza writes that the gravity of many of these symbols simply isn’t widely known in Ukraine, and can be “likely just an emblem of a successful fighting unit that protects Ukraine”, rather than a politically charged symbol.

Marlene Laruelle, author of Is Russia Fascist?, notes that symbols like pseudo-pagan imagery and Nordic runes common among Azov fighters are widespread in military units worldwide.

Further, an uncomfortable reality, as attested in a recent report on the German military, is that far-right sympathies are not uncommon in national militaries globally.

While most Russian propaganda makes huge numbers of unspecific and often-implausible claims (sometimes called the “firehose method”), the framing of the Azov Regiment as diabolical neo-Nazis has been focused, consistent and relentless.

Although Ukrainian sources have been withering about the Azov-Nazi connection for years, a “Western gaze” and a lack of area knowledge has enabled this myth to persist in both journalistic and academic spheres.

A sense of ‘moral procrastination’

For us in the West, there’s a certain psychological comfort in seeing a false moral equivalence between Russia and Ukraine.

Shekhovtsov observes that the “Azov Nazi” narrative allows a sense of “moral procrastination” regarding Russia’s invasion. If the war pits two equally problematic sides against each other, inaction becomes morally justified.

Such “moral procrastination” makes it easier to defer the difficult collective decisions necessary to break the back of the Russian war machine – especially breaking free from dependency on Russian oil and gas imports.

Only one side is massacring civilians, deporting hundreds of thousands of children from their homeland, and conquering and aggressively assimilating another state’s sovereign territory.


One doesn’t need to look far to know who the true “fascists” are in this war.

Note: On 1 August, Russia’s Supreme Court ruled that the Azov Regiment is a terrorist organisation under Russian law, a likely prelude to planned show trials of Azov fighters in Mariupol.

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SebPro2,680 posts
28 Apr 2023, 06:54
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28 Apr 2023, 06:54#3

The Beatles song says it quite aptly;

"He's a real no where man,

Sitting in his no where land,

Making all his no where plans for nobody.

He's as blind as he can be,

Just sees what he wants to see,

Isn't he a bit like you and me? "

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SebPro2,680 posts
28 Apr 2023, 07:48
#4
28 Apr 2023, 07:48#4

Somebody remarked the other day, I don't think they'll be a RWC in France this year because there will be nothing left of Europe.

I remarked that's a very shallow comment, far more to worry about than a sports event when there's no world at all, just shows how people cannot relate...some do live in cloud cuckoo land. What is likely chance, a realist would probably put it at a likelihood of about 60% but if they continue to physically step over one more thin red line, probably a 100%. The China issue could very well be it.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1651690488502665216

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Apr 2023, 12:29
#5
28 Apr 2023, 12:29#5

Images of the cyclops confirm that if you are ‘one eyed’ it’s usually centered.

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SebPro2,680 posts
28 Apr 2023, 13:12
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28 Apr 2023, 13:12#6

Trying to nitpick to deviate.

The trouble is "one-eyed" is meant from one singular vision, view or context or narrative. To blazers for the rest. Just a fleeting whimsical curiously. Even in 1999,Yugoslavia, going back to the bombing of Belgrade by NATO, the selection process in recesses of the memory box is conveniently forgotten.

The knowledge of what really went on is skewed by posters that actually know nothing of the history that pertains to a complete misunderstanding of past to current events and it's more comfortable for them to remain in ignorance.

For instance, this will be foreign to all of you, but you will never understand if you don't take the effort to hear the other man's words and at least try to put yourself in that position. People just don't do that anymore, that's why it's self-centered .

How the USSR and its four main traitors were destroyed

March 11, 2022

 


 

On December 8, 1991, the heads of 3 republics of the USSR: Boris Yeltsin, Leonid Kravchuk and Stanislav Shushkevich, in Belarus, violating the legislation of the USSR, signed an agreement in which they declared the termination of the USSR's activities and the creation of the Commonwealth of Independent States:

 

 

 

 

 

"We, the Republic of Belarus, the Russian Federation, and Ukraine, as the founding States of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, signatories of the Union Treaty of 1922, hereinafter referred to as the High Contracting Parties, state that the USSR, as a subject of international law and a geopolitical reality, ceases to exist"

 

Beginning of the end

 

Image taken from https://realty.ria.ru/20190201/1550255157.html#pv=g%3D1550255157%2Fp%3D1528043672

 

Immediately after that, just a few minutes later, Yeltsin informed US President George H. W. Bush by phone. The transcript of this conversation was declassified by the United States of America in 2008 and is now publicly available

 

13 days later, on December 21, at the meeting of the Presidents in Alma Ata, 8 more republics joined the CIS in Kazakhstan. After that, on December 25, Soviet President Gorbachev, instead of arresting the separatists and conspirators, which could have been done on December 8 in Belarus, announced the termination of his activities as President of the USSR. Mikhail S. Gorbachev: "Dear compatriots, fellow citizens, due to the current situation with the formation of the Commonwealth of Independent States, I am ceasing my activities as President of the USSR." Also, Gorbachev, like Yeltsin, reported to the US President about his intentions, even before his statement in the press.

 

The very next day, on December 26, 1991, the Council of Republics of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, violating the legislation of the USSR, adopted a declaration on the termination of the existence of the Soviet Union, in connection with the formation of the CIS. This date is considered to be the day of the collapse of the Soviet Union. But in reality, this is a well-planned and purposeful destruction of the state

 

The USSR was purposefully and deliberately destroyed! And there was no collapse! The USSR itself did not fall apart. The fact that the Soviet Union collapsed is a deep delusion and deception. It is people, not God, nature, or fate, who create the state. And this means that people, and only they, are also liquidating the state. If the USSR itself collapsed, then by this logic it was formed by itself

 

Random or not

Many people believe that the Soviet Union was doomed even without the intervention of anyone: because of the stagnation in the economy, social life, the Iron Curtain, the utopia of the communist idea, and because of the significant privileges of the party elite. In reality, none of the above applies to the causes of perestroika and the "collapse" of the USSR. And for the most part, it is only an invention and an ideological tool of the information war against the Soviet Union, which aims to justify and whitewash perestroika and the destruction of the USSR

 

There was no" stagnation " in the USSR. The fact that there is "stagnation" in the Soviet Union, the citizens of the country learned from… From whom do you think? Of course, from the criminal and traitor Mikhail Gorbachev. From the report to the 27th Congress of the CPSU: "For a number of years, and not only because of objective facts, but also for reasons primarily subjective, the practical actions of the party and state bodies lagged behind the requirements of the time, of life itself. Problems in the country's development grew faster than they were solved…

 

Stagnant phenomena began to appear in the life of society." The fact that his words are outright lies is confirmed by statistics on the development of the USSR economy, including in the same report. It declared the" impressive success " of the Soviet economy: "In the quarter of a century since the adoption of the Third CPSU Program, the Soviet Union has made impressive progress... National income has increased almost 4 times, industrial production - 5 times, agricultural production – 1.7 times... Real per capita incomes have increased 2.6 times, public consumption funds-more than 5 times. 54 million apartments were built, which helped to improve the living conditions of most families"

 

The Soviet Union at the time of its collapse

 

 

The Soviet Union was one of the ten most developed countries in the world, ranked second. Also in the top ten most developed countries in the world, according to the human development index-these are indicators of living standards, literacy, education and longevity. Russia, for example, now ranks approximately 55th. The USSR was among the top 5 countries in the world that were able to independently produce all the significant types of industrial products that existed at that time. Before Perestroika, the Soviet Union was in the first place in the world in terms of production of almost all types of products of basic industries

 

It follows that the deficit in the second half of the 80s was caused exclusively artificially. And the fact that the data on food consumption per capita in the late 80's suggests that the citizens of the USSR not only did not starve, but even consumed more than the data given in the table, but only in terms of meat production they were inferior to the United States. In comparison with data from other decades, there was also an increase in food consumption, up to the end of the 80s. Also, during the so-called "stagnation", more than 200 million Soviet citizens received or purchased housing. You can only dream of such a" stagnation " right now

 

What is the conclusion from the above? There was no stagnation in the Soviet Union! There was stability and development. But, if there was no "stagnation", then why do some citizens who lived at that time claim that there was? As you know, even the ancient Roman poet, satirist Juvenal wrote that people want: "Bread and circuses!". If there was plenty of bread in the USSR, then the spectacle was a real problem. Obviously, if a country's money is backed by gold and other assets of the state bank of the USSR, and, as a result, prices for products and services have not increased for decades; if the country does not know what unemployment is; if violence and pornography are not shown on television, and the head of state does not shoot tanks at the Parliament of his country, then the existing reality starts to get boring somehow. And, indeed, there is a feeling of "stagnation", I want to change

 

Boldly stepping into the "Bright Future"

Image taken from https://clck.ru/dZCqi

 

These changes were promised by the new leader of the country, and to his credit, I must admit, he fulfilled everything. But nothing of what was before is now gone. The following thesis that the collapse of the Soviet Union was doomed because of the "utopian idea of communism" refutes the existence and prosperity of China. China also refutes the thesis that the Soviet Union ceased to exist because of the so-called "iron Curtain". It is worth saying that the initiator of the "iron Curtain" was precisely the West. And it was the West that started the Cold War with Churchill's Fulton speech. The USSR was only forced to defend itself

 

Also, the existence of significant privileges among the party elite could not lead to the collapse of the country, as some believe. As privileges were at all times, and in all countries. This was the case before perestroika, during Perestroika, and after it. It is worth noting that in the USSR, the remuneration of higher and lower social groups differed four times. In modern Russia, this indicator is 13. There is also a misconception that the country ceased to exist because of the desire for change. Society is always hungry for change. It craved them in March of '53, and October of' 64, and November of '82, and February of' 84. As it has always craved, at every stage of its development. How it craves them right now! However, this does not lead to a rebuild every time

 

What really happened to the great state called the USSR in the late 80's, early 90's? And what happened, as I said, was a purposeful, well-planned destruction of the state. The true mechanisms and motives of that time are carefully hushed up and hidden, since many of the people responsible for this are still alive and in power. The topic of the liquidation of the Soviet Union in one video is not disclosed. Therefore, I'm thinking of making a series of videos on this topic, where I plan to talk about many topics that interest you. For example, about the Constitution of ' 77, which was in force until recently

 

And if this topic is interesting to you, I also advise you to watch my next video.


 

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Apr 2023, 17:46
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28 Apr 2023, 17:46#7

Lighten up for heaven sake.

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