Simon Marks ... 'The US no longer has Europe's back' | LBC

more unfkgbelievability

Wrong - wthout the backing of the USA the EU countries in Europe have a near to Zero chance of surviving,

cvbn

POTUS siding with Putin OVER the UK ....

So u can't blame the Jocks can ye ...

I wish I had a decent thing to say about the narcissist, Trump. I would have no hesitation doing so if I could find one. The man is a monster when sowing division and has no hesitation in turning against allies. He’s failed miserably in handling Putin, I’ve said this several times, Putin has Trump in the palm of his hand, he treats him like putty.

Pray please tell me I’m wrong.

With all the crazy and amazing things happening the world...all you chaos can talk about is Trump.

Let's assume you're right about everything.

Cool.

Now what?

Taking your post on face value alone I would respond by saying that from its very existence the board has discussed many a topic in depth.

Trump though is unique in that he is POTUS, a kinda like a permanent fixture with day to day changes.

ive been following politics and American policies from my childhood. Matter of fact I was a child when JFK was assasinated, I can still remember the lump in my throat and the tears rolling down my cheeks. I can understand why it means nothing to some and a lot to others. It is what it is. But I also believe it’s an expression of one’s personal values, it is an insight of what we hold true and gives us a definition of the person on a catalyst board. And sure we meet on neutral ground and perhaps never personally but it does provide you with the opportunity with whom you can identify. Personally I would like to meet some as I have in the past, it would probably never happen and the ones I’d like to meet are those who I can identify with and who inspire me, probably get myself called a few names now but I’d like to meet BB, Sharkbok, Stavanger and last but not least Rooinek who I I have lots in common with if he doesn’t mind me saying so,

Im not trying to prove a point and I’m not trying to convince others, I say what I believe, I have always believed in being true to myself.

Im not fussed about being right but I’m fussed( probably not the right word) about meeting strangers with whom I can identify on a neutral board. And no together we are not going to change the world but I do find enjoyment in what some believe.

Hope ive answered your question.

Taking your post at face value;

You were in rugby boards during the US invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Did post as much about it?

If I take your post at face value, then I am to assume that you cared as much back in 2001 as you do now in 2025.

So there I've given you an account of what I cared about, not all......why do I suspect I've wasted my time.....that you've now decided to attack in what has been an honest attempt on my behalf.

Caring started at the early age of 12yrs........how about yourself?

And OBTW based on our past history I could very easily have ignored your post.

Do you call that an attack?

I'm simply asking if you think you cared as much during Iraq/Afghanistan.

And if you did then did you post about it as much as you do Trump?

There's a number of times I don't comment on a particular subject but that doesn't stop my interest, most times I read only without comment. For example, Rugby, I've joined long before you but I don't post on the subject as much as you do. Have a look at my 12,000 odd posts as compared to yours.

The particular subject matter you've highlighted I followed through the media, I actually saw General Colin Powell deliver his accusation to the United Nations re Iraq hoarding weapons of mass destruction. I could point out various examples of interest to me on which I don't post.

I know where you're coming from.....there's a very simple solution.....if it bothers you that much simply don't read my posts.

And another OBTW, I don't see you knocking Beeno whose been rubbishing Obama, Hilary and the Democrats for decades. His support for Trump on the Birther issue dragged out on here for months on end.

CleverMike's disgusting posts flood the board and I don't see you complaining.

And OBTW I don't see your opinion riding these parts about Trump murdering the so called alleged drug smugglers.

That's a long way to say you didn't care as much about that as you do about Trump.

And it's why I don't take any of these anti or pro Trump posts as anything more than tribal chest beating.

Denny

The morning JFK was murdered U was buyibng early in the vegetables at the Beelville Farmers Market and that is wher I hear d the news about his assassination. Kennedy was firstly an A merican and he took no shit from ther USSR = ehrn they sent missiles to Cuba - he sent in the navy to set up a blockafe of Cuba. He was what was called a Tradional Democrat

He foresaw that the 1964 Preside ntial election could be divisive and he as D emocratic Party candidate arrange with his opponent Goldwater arranged that the two of them will arrang e joint campaign meetings where the ttwo will address what divide the country to show that both are united as a country. His dea led to ethe election of Jognson President - classiflied a a corrupt crook - so much so that he did not stand for relection.

Until 1993 the Governments in the USA varied between moderate and centist Presidnts However it started to change when Clinton became President. The division started when Clinton himself beame invovled in bribery and corruption and he was sexual madman. Clinton tried to modernize the USA Federal Public Service, by reducing the number of positiosn by 200 000 employeesm Om the positive side the Federal Debt was $360 nillion.

IT was Bush Junior became President things went off the rails/ The 9/11 attacks in the USA caused Bush to order an invasion of Afghanistan despitebeing warned that the war is going to be unwinnable tnad the best option would have been to wipe out the Taliban an AlQaeda using missile and Air attacks, Tat did not satsfy the wrmongering VP Cheyne wasnted a war against Iraq as well - and that is where Mueller head of the FBI lied to the Senate about Iraq has weapons of mass destruction that represents a world wide threat. It was linked to corruption as well. Cheyne had a major interest in a firm called Haliburton hat would provide supportive services to the US Armies in Iraq abd Aghanistan wirhout follwoing a tender-process. When Obama became President in 2009 - Cheyne became Chairman - a position he ehld until his deat earlier this year, As to Haliburton they operated in Afghnistan inuntil 2021 nd hen got yj same cntract for supportive services in the Ukraine War - and they operated from Poland.

The wars were both assiciated with the ruse i the F ederal Debt to $9 trillion by 2009 and under Obama to $19,5 trillion. In the period 1988 to 2016 the standard of licing decreased by 2% e very year. In 2011 Obama ordered the US troops to leave Iraq and for that he got the Nobel Peace Prize, By 2014 ISIS started conquering Iraq and Nothern Syria. The US-trained Iraq army fled withour rresistence and left quipment behind, by 2016 ISIS was nearing Baghdad Obama sent 200 US army instructors to Iraq - wirg rwg uabreyuxtions to advise the Iraq army - but never to get involved in battles. ISIS eep on heir advnce to Baghdad, and in 2017 Trump ordered the USA army to drive out of Iraq and Notrthen Syria. They did the job in 3 months time and the ISIS leader was killed i Northern Syria, - the USA media screamed he was murdered and claimed that he was a good fartherm and alled his killing a murder, After that Trump ordered the wihdeaaaaawl od US troops from Nothern Syriam - but General Milley sabotaged the decsion,

In any event the Clinton, Bush and Obama Administration was corrupt = but under Bien corru[tion beame really wid, the US Federal debt increased from 2026 the debti ballooned to $337 trillion. The USA became corrupt to the core,

The higher the Dfederal corruption increase the more the US Taxpayers suffered and the more poitical division in the USA became. If Kennedy sirvived he would have been horrified by the levels of political division i the USA.

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So Plum, let me ask, what do you think about Trump murdering alleged drug smugglers and can I also ask, do you believe in "innocent until proven guilty"?

murdering?...what nonsense, are you siding with murderous drug cartels?...LOL...

Correction.....it's premeditated murder. Assuming you don't understand the meaning of "innocent until proven guilty" how else would you explain the killing of innocents unless they've been found guilty in a court of law and sentenced to death Huh?

Get it now?

murdering?...what nonsense,...what nonsense, are you siding with murderous drug cartels?...LOL...

No Draad it's not nonsense. It's just straight up murder. If their is evidence to support the claim the people in those boats were carrying out illegal activities then you go and arrest them.

Morten Morland

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Denny, I think it's a shame all that fentanyl went to waste.

Actually, I know nothing about it other than a couple of headlines that I didn't bother clicking on.

If they were smugglers then they got a pirate's burial and if they weren't then it's obviously not good.

Your point revolves around "if"....how sad. There is no "if".

It's simple, we're a civilized people, we believe in justice for all.

Eliminate the 'If" by arresting them, lay a charge, provide the evidence and let them face justice.

Your hero Donald J Trump has adopted the playbook of the uncivilized ex President Duterte of the Philippines.

OBTW, I'm still waiting to hear what "innocent until proven guilty" means to you.

Fentanyl comes from Mexico ...............

Cocaine from Venezuela .

Trunp knows that he can say whatever he pleases ... learnt that from his tjommie Putin who invaded Ukraine to denazify & demilitarize..

What an evil twosome & an almighty sies-spray to all their supporters .

Fancy pouring your allegiance into a Tyrant.

"According to Republican presidential contender Donald Trump, his supporters are a staunchly loyal bunch -- so loyal, in fact, that the billionaire could get away with some pretty drastic acts and his fanbase wouldn't bat an eye.

"My people are so smart -- and you know what else they say about my people? The polls?" Trump asked a crowd at a Sioux Center, Iowa, rally Saturday. "I have the most loyal people -- did you ever see that?"

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" he said, referring to the major street in New York City that cuts through Manhattan's large commercial district. "It's, like, incredible."

Well done on entirely missing the point, everybody.

That being, to you guys, it's not about the action, it's justification, or the result...but rather about whom you want to blame and shame for it.

For example, a quick AI search of civilian casualties under Obama and Biden results in somebody large numbers, far greater than these supposed smugglers.

Stav will prove how badly he missed the point by yelling "whataboutism".

And, in time, the Democrats will be in charge again and the right will be be bemoaning civilian casualties while the left downplay them.

The constant being civilian casualties and the dumb people on both sides running around like sheep defending and attacking the opposition for the actions.

Boring, stupid, tribal...

Selective outrage Plum, that's all it is

OBTW, I'm still waiting to hear what "innocent until proven guilty" means to you.

Start there.

And oh....Well done on ducking and diving the question.

That's not tribal......it's dishonest and cowardly.

"OBTW, I'm still waiting to hear what "innocent until proven guilty" means to you."

Different principles apply in war on terror. This is not court proceedings...if there was any criminality in the actions there would have been much more action than complaints.

Having said that, I do not agree with the way they are conducting their war on the drug cartels, but these are not nice people, definitely not innocent fishermen. It is high time something is done about it, but droning or bombing them indiscriminately is an excessive overreach IMO...

Once again 50c each way...

Try answering the question.

I'm trying to remember if all the Iraqi, Syrian, Afghan, Pakistani and Libyan civilians that were killed over the last two decades were given the privilege of a trial.

Perhaps somebody here, somebody who "cared a lot", could remind me.

Denny

There is one element you forget. The US Government faced the potential murder of 150 000 through drug smiuggling so the The USA has declared the smugglers - motly related o the Mexican and other ertels as terrorists The GOvernment has the right to regard drug smuggling as terrorist attacks, There is no jusitfication to come with a statement you made of murdering the drug-smuggling terrorists,

If you think that the US Government does not know what is on those boats you must be kidding yourself.

In thr case of terrorism there is no "innocent until proven guilty" principle involveded ,

I have no sympathy whatsoever with terrorist drug smiugglers at all, What you wrote above has no "rule of Law involved. It is amazing that tyou defend terrorism in your postings, It is similar to the fact that is widespresd in the ultra-left media - like hapening in the Democratic cotroleld States and cities in the USA where criminals are released from jail without paying bail within 24 hours from arrest, I call it criminal loving policies - so you defend crimnals at the expense of law-abiding citizens?

Mike

Once your chorus find a way of deciphering what the hell you're on about I'm sure they'll give you a nod of approval.

I can't much as I'd like to.

Be patient.

There's a bone to satisfy every puppy.

What don’t you understand about Mike’s post. You may disagree with the principles, but the communication seems very clear. What are you not getting, perhaps we can help.

The question I would ask in response to this topic is…..has Europe ever had America’s back. It’s all been great, the US tax payer has paid to protect Europe for 80 years since WW2. The US has opened its markets to Europe helping rebuild Germany. What has Europe done in return that requires a continuation of this one way relationship?

Another golden threat... Reading liberals' dispute is always very funny.

So many things in this thread.

Different principles apply in war on terror. This is not court proceedings...if there was any criminality in the actions there would have been much more action than complaints.

It is very funny because this board is mostly populated with white south africans and South Africa under the apartheid was a terror state. Not a mere terrorist organisation but a terror state, even though people described South Africa under the Apartheid as a decent country, it was a state that organised terrorism be it through torture of political opponents or assassination of local folks at night to strike terror among the populace.

It is very funny because indeed different principles apply in war on terror because all those white south african terrorists had to do was to walk into a room and write on a bit of paper whet they did and it was done. Clearly another treatment.

As far as I can tell, Europe's contribution has generally been to look down their noses at Americans.

It's a special kind of envy that they feel.

Another point is how liberals want this world to be a land of confusion. Civilians were killed in conflicts in the past but it came with plausible deniability. Liberals painted the killings as collateral damage or the actions of rogue elements. And they happened in wars. Trump's actions are much different. They leave no room to weasel out. They are plain assassination, ordered by the top hierarchy and carried over by means of the State (here the military) A clean, clear cut situation as Donald Trump provides so many.

has Europe ever had America’s back. It’s all been great, the US tax payer has paid to protect Europe for 80 years since WW2.

There has been nothing like Europe for too long for this to make any sense. Before that, there had been various actions against various countries in Europe. For example, the US got used to fund the building of their infrastructures by borrowing money from Europe (the monetary system was much different in the 1850 and so on) and later crashed the firms that had borrowed. The infrastructures remained in the US and European lenders had to eat the losses. Capitalism was much different in those days as lenders were supposed to eat the losses, no matter what and there were no repo procedure in those days on infrastructures. The financial crisis that were attached to this behaviour impoverished different European nations and weighed tons in the building of various conflicts and wars that were to rage in Europe, leading to the first world war. The part of the US in the building toward the second world war was also very heavy as the US had to bail out Germany, a country whose economy was entangled with the US economy in order to mitigate the effects of the great depression. The US played a pivotal part in the rise of Nazi Germany. The US, among many other things, were the ones that forced the end of the debt that was plaguing Germany. If Germany had to keep paying its debt, it could never had been its war machine for WW2. And as a reminder, the operation from England to Germany during WW2 was named 'Operation: Overlord' It leaves little imagination to the goals of the mission.

‘As far as I can tell, Europe's contribution has generally been to look down their noses at Americans.

It's a special kind of envy that they feel.’

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Yep and now it’s ‘how can they have the effrontery to not have our backs’, they are destroying their allies. About time people started seeing this bs for what it is.