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So the UFO topic is hotting up...

Started by Plum18 REPLIES1,136 VIEWS· 27 Jul 2023, 09:29
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Jul 2023, 09:29
#1
27 Jul 2023, 09:29#1

Another hearing was held yesterday, where two pilots and a former high-ranking intelligence officer gave testimony under oath at to the US Congress.


Between them, David Fravor and David Grusch were trusted with billions of dollars in hardware and Top Secret level intelligence. 


I've spoken about Fravor here before. He was a fighter pilot, Top Gun trainer, and commander of the Black Aces Squadron. I believe that plaes him at the third highest rank on the carrier he served upon. A serious guy by every metric.


Then there is David Grusch, a recent whistleblower. Born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, David Grusch was one of the most decorated combat officers within the USAF during the War in Afghanistan. Moreover, he is also a veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO).

From 2019 to 2021, Grusch was also the representative of the NRO to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, making it hard to question his credibility. Moreover, he should also be familiar with the workings of the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, where he served as the representative of the NRO.

 

Furthermore, he was the co-lead for UAP analysis at the NGA and its representative to the task force from 2021 to 2022.


Here are some of the claims made by these two very credible guys...

* UFOs are flying around in our atmosphere and doing things that we are relatively confident aren't possible with the hardware available in any human inventory.


* Governments have been collecting down extraterrestrial craft.


* Alien crafts are being back-engineered by governments and their contractors.


* Misappropriation of funds has allowed for black projects run by rogue elements without any oversight.


* People have been murdered to keep all of this away from the public eye.


* Alien bodies have been recovered


Those are just some of the highlights. 


I'll post the hearing below.


As far as I can tell, we have two options here...either they are mostly telling the truth or this is a government conspiracy/psy-op which aims at making us think UFOs and aliens are real an visiting this planet...for some reason.


What do we think...



SH
sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
27 Jul 2023, 09:33
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27 Jul 2023, 09:33#2

While the idea of extraterrestrial life and UFO sightings has captured the imaginations of many, there is currently no concrete evidence to support the claim that the US government is concealing aliens from outer space. Here are some counterarguments to disprove this notion:

1. Lack of Concrete Evidence: Despite decades of speculation and numerous UFO sightings reported by individuals, there is no irrefutable evidence to prove the existence of extraterrestrial life visiting Earth. Most UFO sightings can be attributed to natural phenomena, human-made aircraft, or other explainable objects.

2. Absence of Credible Whistleblowers: Proponents of the conspiracy often cite the existence of anonymous whistleblowers or insiders from the government who claim knowledge of extraterrestrial encounters. However, these claims lack credible evidence and are often based on unverifiable anecdotes or accounts.

3. Burden of Secrecy: Keeping a secret on such a massive scale would be extremely difficult for any government to maintain over an extended period. With so many people involved in intelligence agencies, it's implausible that no credible leaks or evidence have surfaced over the years.

4. Scientific Skepticism: The scientific community remains skeptical about the existence of extraterrestrial visitors until concrete, peer-reviewed evidence is presented. The scientific method requires robust evidence, and until such evidence is provided, the idea remains speculative.

5. No Impactful Discoveries: If the US government had encountered extraterrestrial life, it would have made a significant impact on humanity and the scientific community. The discovery of intelligent life beyond Earth would be a major milestone, and the government would have an interest in sharing such groundbreaking news.

6. Alternative Explanations: Many UFO sightings can be explained by natural or man-made phenomena, such as weather balloons, drones, experimental aircraft, or astronomical events. Misidentifications and hoaxes are also common occurrences.

7. Lack of Consistency in Accounts: UFO sightings and encounters reported vary widely in descriptions and details, leading to inconsistencies and contradictions in the narrative, making it challenging to substantiate the claims.

8. Occam's Razor: This principle suggests that the simplest explanation is often the most likely. In this case, the simplest explanation is that UFO sightings are misidentifications or natural/man-made phenomena rather than evidence of extraterrestrial life.


In conclusion, while the idea of aliens visiting Earth has captured the public's fascination and sparked various conspiracy theories, the lack of concrete evidence and the presence of alternative explanations make it difficult to support the claim that the US government is concealing extraterrestrial encounters. Without verifiable evidence, it is essential to approach such claims with a healthy dose of skepticism.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Jul 2023, 09:38
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27 Jul 2023, 09:38#3
Ok, lets use some chatGPT, Fishnutz...
"Tell me about the mental stability required to become a squadron commander of a fleet of fighter jets and to become a top gun trainer in the US airforce"
|Chat GPT says...

Becoming a squadron commander of a fleet of fighter jets or a Top Gun trainer in the US Air Force requires not only exceptional flying skills but also a high level of mental stability and specific qualities to handle the responsibilities effectively. Here are some key aspects of the mental stability required for these positions:

  1. Calm under Pressure: As a squadron commander or a Top Gun trainer, you will face high-pressure situations regularly. Whether it's in combat situations, training exercises, or managing a team, the ability to stay calm under pressure is essential. This means making critical decisions quickly and effectively, even in intense and fast-paced environments.

  2. Decision-making: Both roles demand strong decision-making skills. As a squadron commander, you'll be responsible for making tactical decisions during missions that can impact the safety and success of your team. As a Top Gun trainer, you'll need to assess the strengths and weaknesses of your trainees and make decisions on how to best develop their skills and address any shortcomings.

  3. Resilience: Military aviation is physically and mentally demanding. Pilots and trainers must be resilient in the face of challenges, setbacks, and sometimes even personal losses. Resilience allows them to bounce back from difficulties and continue performing at a high level.

  4. Adaptability: Situations in aerial combat and training can change rapidly. Being adaptable and flexible in your thinking and approach is crucial. You must be able to adjust to unforeseen circumstances and come up with innovative solutions on the fly.

  5. Emotional Intelligence: Understanding and managing emotions is important for squadron commanders and Top Gun trainers. Emotionally intelligent leaders can relate to and empathize with their team members, creating a positive and supportive environment.

  6. Communication Skills: Effective communication is vital for giving clear instructions, providing feedback, and maintaining strong teamwork. As a leader, you must be able to communicate complex information with clarity and precision.

  7. Confidence without arrogance: Confidence in one's abilities is necessary in the high-stakes world of military aviation, but it must be balanced with humility and a willingness to learn from others. Arrogance can lead to dangerous mistakes and hinder effective teamwork.

  8. Attention to Detail: In aviation, even the smallest oversight can have significant consequences. Being detail-oriented is crucial to ensure the safety and success of missions and training exercises.

  9. Leadership and Teamwork: As a squadron commander or Top Gun trainer, you'll be responsible for leading and working with a team of skilled professionals. Strong leadership and teamwork skills are necessary to foster a cohesive and efficient unit.

  10. Mental Endurance: The demanding nature of these roles requires mental endurance to maintain focus and concentration during long flights, training sessions, and extended missions.

"Would such a person, all things being equal, be a reliable witness?

Factors that contribute to a witness's reliability include:

  1. Attention to Detail: As a pilot or trainer, attention to detail is critical for ensuring safety and success. This attention to detail could carry over to their ability to accurately observe and recall details as a witness.

  2. Calm under Pressure: The ability to remain calm under pressure is essential for pilots and trainers. This quality might translate into being composed during stressful situations when providing testimony.

  3. Decision-making Skills: Good decision-making skills in critical situations can also indicate a person's ability to think clearly and logically as a witness.

  4. Training and Discipline: Military professionals, including squadron commanders and Top Gun trainers, undergo extensive training and discipline. This could enhance their ability to follow procedures and provide accurate information.

  5. Honesty and Integrity: In high-stakes professions like military aviation, honesty and integrity are highly valued qualities. These traits are essential for a reliable witness.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
27 Jul 2023, 09:45
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27 Jul 2023, 09:45#4
Hmmmm . . . how would you rate the credibility of someone claiming he has a clear photo of a UFO and then he puts up a picture of a hubcap being thrown in the air that was from a book written by a woman who claims she was abducted by aliens resulting in her having a half-alien son who travels regularly between Earth and a planet called Meton?
On a scale of 1-10.
SH
sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
27 Jul 2023, 09:54
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27 Jul 2023, 09:54#5

What about all the other squadron commanders who never saw the UFOs?

That is like quoting one doctor who says XYZ about medical health , but the other 99% of doctors say the opposite. 


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Jul 2023, 09:58
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27 Jul 2023, 09:58#6

"Hmmmm . . . how would you rate the credibility of someone claiming he has a clear photo of a UFO and then he puts up a picture of a hubcap being thrown in the air that was from a book written by a woman who claims she was abducted by aliens resulting in her having a half-alien son who travels regularly between Earth and a planet called Meton?"

Don't know how I would rate their credibility but as compared to someone that thinks any clear picture of a UFO is proof of anything, I would say they're probably smarter.

As I recall, that's what you wanted, wasn't it?



PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Jul 2023, 10:00
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27 Jul 2023, 10:00#7

"What about all the other squadron commanders who never saw the UFOs?


That is like quoting one doctor who says XYZ about medical health, but the other 99% of doctors say the opposite. "
Well, which do you think it is, are they lying or are they telling the truth?
I'm gonna venture a wild guess that you won't dare to stick your neck out.



DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
27 Jul 2023, 10:14
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27 Jul 2023, 10:14#8
I refuse to believe that we are all alone in this incredibly massive and diverse universe ....
Imagine what effect it would have on the human race, if aliens made themselves known...
I find these hearings and the testimony very interesting indeed
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Jul 2023, 11:34
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27 Jul 2023, 11:34#9

And you're mature enough to admit that, DA.

Our resident mongrels above unfortunately have a little growing up to do.

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
27 Jul 2023, 11:55
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27 Jul 2023, 11:55#10
The universe surely has other life, but the closest star is 4 light-years away.

So a space-faring alien life form would have to be advanced enough to travel faster than the speed of light - or be able to open a wormhole to bend the fabric of time and space.
We don't know if either of these options are even possible though...


SH
sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
27 Jul 2023, 11:59
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27 Jul 2023, 11:59#11
Plum

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Jul 27, 2023, 10:00

"What about all the other squadron commanders who never saw the UFOs?


That is like quoting one doctor who says XYZ about medical health, but the other 99% of doctors say the opposite. "
Well, which do you think it is, are they lying or are they telling the truth?-----------
Are "they" the 99.9000% that did not claim to see a UFO, or the 0.0009%? that did claim to see a UFO?
Well, I certainly don't think that the 99.9% are lying.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
27 Jul 2023, 12:00
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27 Jul 2023, 12:00#12

I'm convinced there's other life out there but I'm equally convinced they'll never get to us and we'll never get to them.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
27 Jul 2023, 12:11
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27 Jul 2023, 12:11#13

We keep learning, adapting, evolving and refining our scientific practices and theories all the time .... so anything really is possible.

It's like the whole time travel theory......

In my very limited cranial capacity, I can only assume that time travel has not yet been invented.... even 2 000 years from now, because if it was, surely someone would have shown up here already, in the last 100 years .... and proven it to us ....

Unless of course, we were not deemed important enough to visit :

Hell, I would encourage anyone far into the future, to come back here and live for a bit in the magical 80's..... because it was phenomenal .... they might never want to go back.

Imagine being born 600 years from now, and wanting to come back to this era to listen to The Beatles, Queen, or Bon Jovi live in concert.... lol 

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sharkbokCaptain23,198 posts
27 Jul 2023, 12:27
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27 Jul 2023, 12:27#14
The Prime D irective in Star Trek gives some possible insights into the moral impact of time travel and 1st contact with alien pieces. 

The basic premise is to allow self-determination of pre-warp worlds. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Jul 2023, 12:30
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27 Jul 2023, 12:30#15

"surely someone would have shown up here already, in the last 100 years .... and proven it to us ...."

 I would use the past for information to navigate the future...but once you start changing the past by proving to people in the 1800s that time travel is possible...well, we've all seen the movie. 

...you end up with Parkinson's . 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
27 Jul 2023, 15:26
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27 Jul 2023, 15:26#16

Liberals are getting desesperate: anything goes to divert from them losing their grip on the globalization thing they have initiated.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Jul 2023, 17:52
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27 Jul 2023, 17:52#17

"I'm convinced there's other life out there but I'm equally convinced they'll never get to us and we'll never get to them."

Limited thinking...never say never...

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
27 Jul 2023, 19:05
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27 Jul 2023, 19:05#18

Bob Lazar. Ende.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Jul 2023, 08:10
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28 Jul 2023, 08:10#19
You think he's legit, Deus?
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