when Donnie turns his back on Taiwan?
Nothing yet I guess, gonna follow the usual drill huh and wait until Donnie makes his call.
Then of course you'll join in chorus and sing along with him....dats duh norm Huh?
Yeah we know.
Oh BTW......China is laughing at Donnie......he's unraveled himself as a soft touch, the edge he showed was levelled at his victim, Zelensky......not the brutal dictator, Putin.
Trump did not what Biden did. Taiwan paid the USA $19 billion for arms delivery and Biden refused permission to export the weapons - since Preident Zi instructed him not to have the weaponry delivered,.
Where did you get the Taiwan story from? You seems to have inside info on that one - also about the condiions of the USA as to the Ukraine peace negtiations - so give us your sources please,
By the way Zelenskyy learned a bitter lesson in this case. Now he is prepared to sign the Rare Minerals treaty and he found himself in ever-deepiening shit when he attended the EU leaders conference in London and is now on his knees for Trump to lead negotiaions with Russia,
Never Mind Hysteria….the Aussie navy will stop them. Maybe Starc could bowl them a bumper, that should put the fear of Mao into them. Relax, she’ll be good mate.
Never mind Moffie, Australia has fought on America's side in every single one of their wars. I don't expect Trump would reciprocate when the Chinese declare war on us. Actually Moffie, I worked alongside an Ozzie vet, he one day said to me, we had two enemies in Vietnam......the Vietcong and the Americans.
But I still believe there's hope that sanity will prevail when your cult hero cops the boot.
Its like a boxing match, the fight's relentless, 7 rounds of toe to toe smash & bash.
Bell goes for end of round ............... boxer drops on his stool, exhausted, looks up
& what the fucks fuck, sees his chief cornerman in his opponent's corner!
He threw Zelensky under a bus....finish an klaar.
It's called the "Art of the Deal.'
"He threw Zelensky under a bus....finish an klaar."
Then why is Zelensky wanting to agree to the proposal?
Why doesn't Zelensky go it alone with Europe and leave the US out?
Why is Zelensky now saying that they want to work with the "strong leadership" of Donald Trump
Of course he is sucking up to Trump, but if he really feels that he was thrown under the bus, why not just say fuck you Trump, I am with Europe on this .....and move on.
Of course he is sucking up to Trump, but if he really feels that he was thrown under the bus, why not just say fuck you Trump, I am with Europe on this .....and move on.
Simple.....Zelensky has no choice but to go cap in hand to Trump.
The USA is the most powerful military country in the world and for that reason is the only country that can forge peace.
Europe can't. Anyone with half a brain wants peace.
Problem as I see is that Zelensky wants to ensure a just peace whereas there's nothing as yet to indicate what Putin will concede....if anything.
Trump's belligerence and dissing an ally in favour of Dictator does not augur well for Ukraine.
"Simple.....Zelensky has no choice but to go cap in hand to Trump"
"The USA is the most powerful military country in the world and for that reason is the only country that can forge peace."
I see, and in your opinion, how long must the American people hand over their tax money to Ukraine..?
Would you be happy if they paid over this money for the next 5 or 10 years whilst Ukraine gets absolutely decimated, because they will eventually run out of soldiers....
Or do you want the US or UK or EU to put soldiers on the ground.....
What exactly do you want......give us some practical and plausible suggestions on resolving this...... just a few, instead of lambasting Trump all the time.
Just as Zelensky is responsible to his people in Ukraine, so is Trump responsible to his people regarding how he spends their money for the next 5 - 10 years
I don't have an answer to a peaceful settlement, neither have you or anyone on this forum.
How would anyone know what's happening behind closed doors?
How would anyone know what Zelensky or Putin wants?
What is Putin prepared to concede that will satisfy Ukraine......and vice versa.
Like everyone else I'd like peace.
What I dislike is the fact that the leader of Ukraine was left sitting on the sidelines while the fate of his country was being decided.
Trump turning his back on ally and cozying up to a Dictator is something no POTUS would do.
Knowing your distaste of bullies I would have thought that you'd be anti Putin.....apparently not.
The war is over….now the fighting just has to stop.
Well if you don’t know what’s happening Hysteria, stop posting the lurid headlines Have you ever thought perhaps Zelensky will get a better deal if Trump and Putin had a constructive relationship? No? That didn’t occur to you?
Denny
I think you must enlighten us on this issue since you apparntly has insight in what the negotiations entail and clearly knows moe abou what is beinmg negotiated than evebody else on site and the leftist media dos not no what is happening and onm all-out attack on Trump and spread cnspricay theories you repeat on site.
Sttarmer phoned trump 3 times before the decisions of the EU countries meeing in London is concened and despite speeches then took a decision to keep Tump as negotiator with Putin. But since you know more about the issue han the EU leaders do.
With the support of the European country leaders Trump is given a stronger hand in the engotiations and I would be very careful to spread umproven disinformation on site, .
Of course he is sucking up to Trump, but if he really feels that he was thrown under the bus, why not just say fuck you Trump, I am with Europe on this .....and move on
Because if there is any chance at all even if its very small that the US will continue to provide military aid to Ukraine then Zelensky has to suck it up regardless of how he feels, because that aid saves Ukrainian lives both military and civilian and as the leader of Ukraine he's duty bound to do absolutely everything he can to save as many Ukrainian lives as possible.
"Simple.....Zelensky has no choice but to go cap in hand to Trump.
The USA is the most powerful military country in the world and for that reason is the only country that can forge peace."
Zelensky knew that before the meeting and during the meeting, yet he chose to go ahead and aggressively provoke Trump...WTH was he thinking?...he surely didn't have the best interest of his country in mind with his petulant BS....great leader my arse!
Draad
Befire the meeting with Trump he had all the leftist media to feast on and thought the Eiuropean Countries would support him in everything so he could do what nobody does and try to negotiate an agreement by Trump to put up with his BS in public and not in the meeting where things could be dealt with in reality. That was why Trump sent him packing and despite all the emdia hysteria he probably got told by the European leaders they want Trump to proceed with Putin and told Zelenskyy to try and get back in the negotiation provcess led by Trump.
What was never made public and and conspircy theorist is what is on the agenda for discussions beteeen the Trump negotiation team and their Russian counterparts, According to them the fat is that Trump is throwing Zelensy and the whole Ukraine under the bus, Really amazing stuff and I called on them to come with proof and not media gossip and propaganda - but with real facts,
...en almal het in verwondering agter die dier aan geloop...never made sense up till now...should be too obvious...but is not...
Well if you don’t know what’s happening Hysteria, stop posting the lurid headlines Have you ever thought perhaps Zelensky will get a better deal if Trump and Putin had a constructive relationship? No? That didn’t occur to you?
I don't believe it's necessary or desirable for Trump to cozy up to a murderer, a dictator and a bully. It's unpalatable and nauseous, hard to believe you and your cabal don't get that. The peace deal is more than Ukraine, it's also about the security of Europe and will set the tone, order and safety of European countries. Trump has the opportunity to lay the foundation of a secure Europe with the outcome of Ukraine's future.
When you say constructive what on earth do you mean, how can there be a constructive relationship with a dictator and murderer.
No POTUS would brag on the world stage that 'I get on well with Putin.' It's pathetic.
So then let's wait and see what comes out of it, minnow Ukraine might and probably won't get all it wants but neither can he sign off on a nothing deal.
As for my so called 'lurid headlines'...they are media extracts, feel free not to read them and OBTW your erstwhile semi lunatic buddy, Brian aka Beeno has been posting lurid headlines for decades, floods the board with them and up until recently when you suffered a fallout there was never ever a single objection from you. Hypocrisy?....you tell me.
I sense you and your cults sensitivities but it is what it is....Trump is obviously sacred to you and your cabal but fortunately not to me and a very few others.
One final thing.....don't tell me what to post, this here board is a level playing field, it doesn't subscribe to your rules.....so while you read your Emily Dickenson and I my Lover's Frost.....mind your arrogance.
When you say constructive what on earth do you mean, how can there be a constructive relationship with a dictator and murderer.
You mean the kind of relationship Roosevelt and Churchill had with Stalin, a man who is estimated to be responsible for up to 20 million deaths.
And it’s interesting you should raise HasBeen and in this case I have to agree you are very similar. Two nutters screaming away. I think I’ll include you in the HasBeen vacant string count and broaden out this measure.
Have a nice day with your fellow prisoners.
Mozart
The fact is that Denny wants a war with Russia and does not tink Millions of dead would bwe stemming from such a war, In any effect peace is better than any war ever and help the ordinary peeople to live a safer and better life,
Trump was always in favor of stopping or prventing potential wars and negotiated even with Kim of North Korea, While the negotioations last North Korea did not tnuclar and missile testing - 14 days after Trump left office the teting started again. I believe that what Trump is doing to create a peaceful settlement of the Ukraine issue and simultaneously ensure that there will be further conflicts between European countries, I believe hat China is the worst enemy of the US A and the USA ' and does not want a war on two fronts - so he wants to ensure peace in Europe that will allow the USA to enhance the defensive ability against China,
Therde is just one other thing where I want to correct you. The number of people the Stalin dictatorship killed was 52 million who died between 1917 and 1953 - a figure confirmed by people .in Russia I spoke to, They also claimed that by 1993 they were stil dicovering mas graves dating from the Stalin era, The figure f deaths of 20 million is the number of Russians wh died in WW2, Some of the 20 million you mentioned also died by the hands of Russian troops - so I believe was added as part of te 52 million. You may pehps take into accpount tht the murde of what remained of the Polish army retreted nto he USSR - but was sluatered by the Russians on direct instruction of Stalin. The Germans for mny years were declred s the murderers of the toops in the katyn foret and it as subsequently discoverd it was tlinist troops who killed the Poles,
There is no doubt that Roosevelt amd Chirchill knew what really happened and they still negotiated what turned out to be a nightmare until 1992 when the USSR imploded and caused the end of the war lasting since WW2 until 1992. During that period there were uprisin gs in East Gemany, Hugary,Poland and Prague that were not succeeful because of USSR troop intevetion. Aa a ressut thousands of people died during the uprisings and in trying to flee from the dictatorial states they lived in,
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I detest Putin, always have, and most certainly always will
However, if Trump creating any type of relationship with Putin stops the killing of so many unecessary innocent people.... on both sides of this war, then I say go for it.
What people in t heir a htred of both Tump and Biden realiz that antagonism by ehter party ill destroy the only way to end warsm For D enny;a indifirmation antagonism is not going to lead to peace - it just add to further antagonism and made even ahlf decent discussions inpossiblm
Thee is a huge difference between negotiation on a business like elvel n cosy up to somebody and he stroy has been discredited in the past,