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Socialism in the USA - will it be acceptable to the voters Beto O'Roarke

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2019, 07:23
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20 Apr 2019, 07:23#1

 The idea of socialism has its attractions for many people who would like to see what they think are better living conditions,   They ignore the fact that there is not a single really socialist or capitalist system in any country in the world.  There is always a mixture of systems operational in most democratic countries,


The key problem is that pure socialist systems have two issue at its core and those are always the same:-


The Cost of Socialism 


The answer of Socialists and their supporters as to who would pay for the wonderful world where everything is freely available to all is  always a problem.   The response is always "the Government must pay for it"


But the Government has no productive means to raise money to pay for the wonderful would of plenty,   Governments gets their money from the people in the form of taxation and that is where one of the main hitches occur - the higher the taxes the lower the chances of any economic growth.   Aside from that     


So what happened in most countries where socialism took over total control - they turned governance into the worst dictatorships the world have ever seen.     Socialism invariably leads to Government theft of private property and to stop uprisings on that score means dictatorships evolved.   Lets face facts - socialism was the basis of Communism, Nazism and Fascism.

    

Implementation


When there are talk about total socialism the question always arises as to how it is done,   It turns every worker into a Government employee,    That brings in a number of key factors happening in all socialist countries - incompetence, bribery and corruption.   Huge public service extension essentially includes incompetents and crooks whoa ugment their incomes by bribery and corruption.   There is not a single socialist country where it did not happen.


There are really endless examples where all the above is not present.   Recent examples are Venezuela, Zimbabwe and even SA.  


Scientific Development


Part of the way to undertake new scientific discoveries is linked to private initiatives,   If it was not for private initiatives the fourth industrial revolution would never have happened.   The same applies to development of new medicines and everything we regard as normal nowadays,   Will the socialists do the same - Government always uses the private sector to invest in new developments for a very good reason and that is investments from which they will recover an income to recover their investment costs and make for profits later on.   


Will socialist governments  invest in such initiatives?   Very dangerous for staff involved since not all projects turn out to be successful,   The Public Servants will never stick their necks out to embark on any project where outcomes are not certain because they could end up facing criminal or administrative charges if their research does not end up successfully.


Socialism in the USA


It seems as if the Democrats are hell-bent on introduction of an extreme  socialist regime in the USA.   I have listened to many broadcasts in the USA and came to the conclusion that the DP is moving from a centrist position to an extreme socialist party.   


They have moved from socialism to extreme positions on the environment as well    Some claims that the world is going to end in 2032 if extreme measures are not introduced, but there is no scientific base for their allegations.   They also wants open borders - everyone is welcome in the wonderful paradise they think wills tem from their ideas,


The following are weak leaders and potential candidates for the DP in the 2020 elections:-


*     Joe Biden - a weak leader who will always follow instructions 

*     Bernie Sanders - an extreme socialist who supported the communists ion the past =- already 77 years old 

*     Elizabeth Warden - an extreme socialist 

*     Beto O'Rourke - an extreme socialist and a 2032 world end creed supporter

*     There are at least 10 other potential candidates who preach from the same prayer book of socialism.


I am not sure whether the Socialist would get support from the ordinary voters,   I think most voters will fnd it difficult to swallow their preaching - but it ahs a major negative consequence,   It could even lead to a split in the Democratic Party between the centrists (moderates)  and the extreme socialist wing of the party.      


   


A typical example relates to potential   


            

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Apr 2019, 10:50
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20 Apr 2019, 10:50#2

Mike Beto has zero chance, he is a real nutjob. 

Biden and Bernie will most likely fight it out although perv Mayor Pete is enthralling the globalist MSM. They loved the picture of him kissing his husband. 

Trump looks to be heading for a landslide. Just wait till the indictments begin. 

MSM probably not reporting jobless claims hit 50 year low and economy roaring. DOW JONES NEAR RECORD HIGHS AGAIN. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Apr 2019, 11:23
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20 Apr 2019, 11:23#3
Wouldn’t it be hilarious and a kind of tragicomedy if either of Biden or Sanders win the Dem nomination? The comical part is that they are both the exact opposite of what is politically correct. They are both old white men. The tragical part is that they both have unique baggage. Sanders’ problem is how shyte the coming of AOC and Omar turned out. At first it was through that the rise of these two idiots would bolster his socialist ideas. Instead they have become so ridiculous that they have become the laughing stock of the Dems. Biden has the Ukraine connection which will cause him to be floored by Trump nine times out of ten. There is no way that he will escape that to be exploited mercilessly.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2019, 12:00
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20 Apr 2019, 12:00#4

Ceradyne

I saw a number of videos where Sanders were sitting by while AOC spouts her BS.   Both are members of the Social Democrat faction of the Democratic Party and so is a string of other candidates.

There seems to be a campaign by the Social Democrats of the USA to take over the Democratic Party,   The leaders in that quest seems to be  Sanders and AOC - but the Leadership is disputed by O'Rourke and Warner.   Omar is just a hanger-on.

I am  in full support of MABA - Make Alexandria Bartend Again.      

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Apr 2019, 12:28
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20 Apr 2019, 12:28#5
The socialists will never take over the Dems. Socialism can in now way be consoled with the top structures of the Dems. The big corporations will never allow that to happen.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Apr 2019, 13:59
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20 Apr 2019, 13:59#6

Globalist Socialists are getting kicked out of power in one country after another. 

Spain will be the next. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2019, 14:43
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20 Apr 2019, 14:43#7

Ceradyne

Don't be so sure about the huge capitalists not using the Communist to enhance their control of the world economy.   They have a history of support of the Communists - even the 1917 Russian Revolution was funded by Capitalists,   They are basically above the law - and there interests are worldwide - so Communist regimes in China and the USA will not bother them at all.

The fact is that Communism leads to social and economic problems in countries they govern so the only way they can retain power is through dictatorship and whether that would work in the USA may be impossible,    It is because of that they are trying to disarm all Americans,  

Fact is I am not sure about the DP and the Socialist clique who is running them at present,   Even in the UK the Labour Party had members leaving them because the extreme leftist-socialist  policies and in other coiuntries support for Socialist parties has vanished in recent years,

Extreme socialism has never worked in countries they govern and on mild socialist governments ultimately survive and reman in real politics.   Be it as it may - if the extreme communists ever gain power in the USA I think there would be another civil war after they are in power for six months.         

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Apr 2019, 16:13
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20 Apr 2019, 16:13#8
I cannot see how the corporates will ever back their Green New Deal. The Industrial Military Complex will certainly never get behind it. They are having enough heart palpitations about Trump scaling down on the wars as it is. HTF are they going to like the Green New Deal. I also do not think that the Socialists are “running” the Dems either. They really are a small part of the Dems. They are just very loud and the media are playing along. The media playing along would have been a major factor but their credibility has taken a huge knock with the Trump/Russia fiasco.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2019, 12:12
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21 Apr 2019, 12:12#9

Ceradyne

What about that Communist Bernie Sanders becoming the Presidential candidate and effective leader of the Democrats?    I am not sure that Biden - a weak leader - would be able to control the situation at all - even if he is the DP candidate.   

Although Biden is unlikely to be involved in the Russian Hoax - he may be nailed by the Republicans as well and by next year some really ugly facts will come out.   

I am pretty certain that there will be some shenanigans by the Republicans to mae sure Sanders is the candidate of the DP.  

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Apr 2019, 13:56
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21 Apr 2019, 13:56#10
Bernie is not even remotely close to being the de facto leader of the Dems, or even close to being one of of the de facto leaders. The control of the Dems is firmly on the hands of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. Biden being a weak leader is the least of his problems. His ties to Ukraine and his son’s business ventures in Ukraine is a huge issue for him and for the Dems. The Dems have always been run by the party leadership with the president as the figurehead. Obama, only later in his second term, was the exception when he ignored the constitution and the traditions by unanimously changed laws. The same goes for Trump. He is probably one of a small handful of Republican Party presidents who is “ruling his party”. The big difference between Trump is that he is adhering to the law and the constitution. FFS he is even enforcing some of Obama’s own laws which he, Obama, himself did not even enforce. Many would like to think that Bush’s war on Iraq is testament to him also doing shit on his own but even that is not true. He was indeed coerced into that war by people around him. One of the main figures were the darling of the left, Robert Mueller.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Apr 2019, 15:04
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21 Apr 2019, 15:04#11
The Republican debates before the last election destroyed all the candidates except Trump. When you have that many candidates it becomes a slaughter house. Trump was the unusual candidate who thrived in that environment. What that means if history repeats itself is the Dems will turn on each other big time....and AOC will try to be the king maker. The next tension will emerge as the Democratic nominee tries to pivot to the centre....because the platform that wins the nomination will be a 20 point loser. That's when king maker AOC and the nominee will part ways. I hope it's more fun than the Mueller thing, which became tedious after a few months.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2019, 17:36
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21 Apr 2019, 17:36#12

I think the fun will start in February next year and  continue for a while after that.   Hope Bernie becomes the candidate - that would lead to chaos in the DP.

Will the Liberals field a candidate as well.   They might if the Socialists take control of the DP    

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